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Microsoft Attempts to Quash OSS Recommendations

An anonymous reader writes "Inside Higher Ed has a story detailing Microsoft's attempt to alter a report created by the Secretary of Education's Commission on the Future of Higher Education. Gerri Elliott, corporate vice president at Microsoft's Worldwide Public Sector division, complained about recommendations in the report to look into 'open source' and 'open content' at higher education institutions across the country. Elliott, who is on the voting committee, waited until the last minute and tried to have the report changed after a public vote. Although she does have a point that 'open source' is a development model, it still has collaboration at its heart. Can Microsoft argue against 'open' and win?"

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  1. Define Win by Analogy+Man · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Can Microsoft argue against 'open' and win?

    It all depends on how you define winning. Does it mean having a few senators and congressmen in your pocket? Does it mean having a public debate where it is clear that your position is correct? Does it mean spreading enough FUD that people are confused/fearful enough not to take an "undesirable" action?

    My interpretation of a Microsoft win is to perpetuate a perception that OSS is a hippy commune free for all not to be trusted by the government. It fits with the current mode of debate in DC. Adopt an rediculous position that cannot be supported with facts or logic and label anyone that challenges it a extremist fanatical zealot.

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    1. Re:Define Win by Analogy+Man · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Adopt an rediculous position that cannot be supported with facts or logic and label anyone that challenges it a extremist fanatical zealot.

      What I find amusing is that someone modded this Troll (I presume for the statement above.)

      Missing is the statement above whether the fanatical zealots are the "religious right" that piss off the liberals or the "tree hugging liberals" that the NeoCons get disgusted with.

      It is the polarizing statements like I just made here that are the problem. We as a country can operate just fine with a variety of opinions and ideologies. It is a problem when debate and spirited discussion is replaced by sentiments of treason and corruption held against anyone with a difference in view or opinion.

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  2. womg 1 paragraph... by Tomthemage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's face it... M$ is not fond of open source. Does anyone honestly think they would allow something like that to pass without putting up some kind of objection? You open source people need to pick your battles.

  3. Re:MS up to its dirty tricks again. by Ksisanth · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "open content" (a "term which can mean different things and enter us into some copyright debate").
    Frankly, I'm surprised she didn't object to 'open learning', too.
  4. Re:There is an interesting question here by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the legalese translation for "free as in beer?"

  5. Re:There is an interesting question here by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't think there is one. It's an unknown concept in that language.

  6. Fine, let MS object by MECC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gerri Elliott, corporate vice president at Microsoft's Worldwide Public Sector division, sent an e-mail message to fellow commissioners Friday evening saying that she "vigorously" objected to a paragraph in which the panel embraced and encouraged the development of open source software and open content projects in higher education.

    Why does anyone take an MS VP 'opinion' over those of people actually working in higher education. Why is anyone even listening to her? What does she have to do with the process at all? What's her background in higher education? Why is MS a part of such a discussion anyway? Why would anyone not think that the only reason MS is involved is to find ways to extort more money out of higher education?

    Elliott, though. She thanked Duderdstadt for his suggestion but objected to his proposed inclusion of "open source" ("it's a method of coding software, and one of several available, period") and "open content" (a "term which can mean different things and enter us into some copyright debate"). She suggested language that struck those phrases.

    It's worth pointing out that the Internet itself is the result of an OPEN collaboration, not entirely unlike OSS, which is also an open collaboration. The right thing to do would be to let her "never sign" the report, and thank her for her 'input'.

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  7. Re:There is an interesting question here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Rubbish. The GPL might prevent companies trying to sell me stuff my tax dollars have already paid for once... If anything it's better than the (often blatantly ignored) rule that software developed with public money is supposed to be public domain and uncopyrightable in the first place (NASA gets, or at least used to get, this right, at least).

    Of course companies would "have a beef with it", but government is by the people of the people and for the people. And corporations aren't people, no matter what mere law says.

  8. Re:There is an interesting question here by ultranova · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If public money is used to push certain products, outcomes are presented for public use but you are not allowed use it, even though they paid for a portion of it; I think lots of companies probably would have a beef with it.

    You mean like I'm not allowed to use Windows XP despite having paid a portion of the school's copy ?

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  9. Re:Ummmmm by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Business should be a "sport" not a "battle"! Most industries follow that model, there's only so much work one company can do RIGHT, so it's more like sports where different teams lead each season. Nobody expects the winning NFL team to hurt or maim the other players.. that's not sporting. The other teams still show up next season and play again. Microsoft, Oracle, Walmart, and others see business as "WAR".. trying to win all the games at any cost.. trouble is that it's not "fun" anymore. And you have 1000's of people out of work because some already rich company wants ANOTHER .1% profit so squashed their companies with half-rate low cost products and FUD advertizing.

  10. Re:There is an interesting question here by budgenator · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Someone should define what they mean when they say OSS software
    what difference does it make which liciense they use
    The commission encourages the creation of incentives to promote the development of open-source and open-content projects at universities and colleges across the United States, ...
    So if I write a VB script to average student grades and release to other instructors via a GPL it's going to hurt Microsoft? If I'm running Apache, PHP, MySQL and Moodle on single windows server when I have a site liciense for Ms SQL server and IIS it's going to hurt windows? If Microsoft wants to use the code I wrote, let them come to me or my university and negotiate a license. Microsoft is afraid that the universities are going to take back their students and stop being unthinking extensions of Microsoft marketing, and get another generation hooked on colaborative developement of open source projects like back in the unix days.
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  11. Re:MS up to its dirty tricks again. by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlikely. People at that level have teams of people to read and analyze everything.

    More likely she planned to wait until the last moment, and squeeze it through so that nobody noticed. If it had come up for debate sooner, she might have lost, and OSS supporters might have put even stronger language into the doc.

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  12. Re:There is an interesting question here by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These arguments are DESIGNED to confuse people. MS is very well aware that what it is putting forth has no grounding in reality. However, they are just as aware of the threat that a government sponsored F/OSS project poses to their bottomline. Caught between advancing spurious arguments against a win/win situation for the general population and protecting their bottomline, what do you think these people are going to do?

    This is why I'm losing more and more respect for the executive section in companies - I've never seen people lie so blatantly, so happily and then be paid untold millions in bonus and golden parachutes. If they would have been in a schoolyard, they'd have gotten a beating.

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  13. Re:There is an interesting question here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The GPL only restricts you if you honour copyright law. So, if you want to violate the GPL, you have to violate copyright law. And that's the way it should be - contempt for unjust laws should be encouraged.

    The GPL is designed to fight the evil of an unjust law: copyright monopolies. I'd be perfectly happy for you to use my "GPL" code in your closed or open software, provided you had no power to restrict redistribution, modification, modified redistribution, reverse engineering and other analysis, etc. of closed or open software you might release! A free market without copyright monopoly* for software, closed and open competing fairly...

    Remember the FSF line: "Without copyright the GPL would be unenforceable. It would also be unnecessary".

    * This the core mistake of closed sourcer "free software is communism" idiocy: most free software supporters are ultra-libertarian, not commie. The should remove the log from their own eyes - copyright law is state suppression of the free market on their behalf...

  14. Re:MS up to its dirty tricks again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I think you mean, "why does Slashdot attract so few people with a sense of decency and a basic grasp of the English language."

  15. Re:MS up to its dirty tricks again. by S.P.B.Wylie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Profanity, though not the prettiest of words, are words in the English language for a reason, and they have their place. It is true that when they are over used, they often show a small vocabulary (there are better words you could to say what you mean on a regular basis), but when an extreme emphasis is due, they do get people's attention.

    In any case, you shouldn't discount an entire argument just because of one use of profanity. It is just a word, and you will miss good opinions if you close your mind like that. Specifically, you might just hear opinions like your own, which is pointless.

    And, personally, I am surprised he swore only once when talking about Microsoft. Talk about restraint.

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  16. Re:MS up to its dirty tricks again. by HeroreV · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If South Africa was as financially prosperous and as well educated as the United States do you really think there would be such a huge problem with HIV? Attack the source of the problem, not the results of it.

  17. Wasted money by mjjw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I live in the UK and I for one know that I HATE seeing my tax money being spent on M$ Windows in local government and in schools when they could be using Linux for free.

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