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Edgy Eft Knot 2 Released

Klaidas writes "The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD — an alpha version of Edgy Eft. Notable new features include a new 2.6.17 kernel, Gnome 2.16 beta 2, Firefox 2.0b1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 and much more. It is availible for download on Ubuntu's image server. The final stable version is still slated for release in October 2006."

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  1. Godwin'd before it even started by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD

    "Nazi D"? Godwin'd before it even started.

    1. Re:Godwin'd before it even started by gvc · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have to pronounce Nazi as not-see to get the pun.

      I pronounce Nazi as gnat-see so it doesn't work for me,
      unless I translate to Ahmerikhan.

  2. ubuntu is by far the leader by legoburner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ubuntu is now the leading choice for linux by quite a margin. Us poor gentoo users languish in 10th place :(

    1. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by dvice_null · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Linux Counter statistics claim that Ubuntu is not on the top, Debian is the number one, but then again, I'm pretty sure that people signing up for this counter are hardcore users, while Ubuntu has propably attracted a lot of new users. But it is the best stat I know, or atleast another view in this issue:
      http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php

    2. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wait, are we choosing our operating systems based upon popularity again?

      If you anyone but a Geek, the answer is, and always will be, "Yes!"

      Popularity solves too many problems for the user for the decision to go any other way.

    3. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My Gentoo-using friends assure me that as soon as they finish compiling the new list of top distros, Gentoo will be #1 again.

  3. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its not supposed to tell you anything.

    Its a code-name. Its the devs having a little fun. The official name will be "Ubuntu 6.10". Think of it like "Windows Longhorn". Longhorn was the code-name. Does Longhorn tell you anything?

  4. 60 days? by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today is the 2nd of September.
    Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".

    That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha ... to beta ... to release. Isn't that a bit optimistic? Particularly for a release that is developer driven and packed with candy.

    1. Re:60 days? by EvilIdler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They did it with 6.06. Of course, there were problems that needed fixing in a swift patch,
      and some systems didn't boot (mine included!) without knowing yer stuff ;)
      So yeah, the Ubuntu developers are definitely a wee bit optimistic.

    2. Re:60 days? by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 5, Informative

      Today is the 2nd of September.
      Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".

      That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha ... to beta ... to release. Isn't that a bit optimistic? Particularly for a release that is developer driven and packed with candy.

       
      Well, feature freeze is in 5 days, so the only things coming through the pipeline in those two months are bugfixes/security patches.
       
      And even if it's not good enough, they can always fall back on "It's edgy eft! What are you complaining about?"
       
      As a general FYI, Edgy Final should be out on the 26th of October, barring disaster or pushbacks.

  5. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hoary Hedgehog was the worst by far. I actually kind of liked Breezy Badger, and Dapper Drake exudes coolness.

    Yeah. Edgy Eft. That's a step backward. You could call it 6.10 instead if you like, and that would tell you the year and the month it was (or is going to be) released. But really, what does "Vista" tell you about what you're downloading? Even 2.6.17 doesn't help much - just that it's somehow better than 2.6.16, and that's if you're familiar with the version numbers. You'd really need to read the changelog to find out, so it's still not much better than "Vista."

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  6. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

    ":s/downloading/buying" please. I wouldn't want to be seen as advocating piracy or anything, especially not on Slashdot. :D

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  7. Re:Where does "knot" come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    A knot is the collective noun for newts (an eft is a young newt).

  8. This email announcement explains why... by epl · · Score: 2, Informative
  9. A few things me likey by Gavin86 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just skimming the specs of some of the new things implimented:
    • Optimized Live CD layout for faster boot
    • Thin clients local device support
    • Using dash instead of bash which makes the boot, "30s faster"
    • updated Galago
    • much faster shutdown process
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    1. Re:A few things me likey by temcat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Using dash instead of bash which makes the boot, "30s faster"

      More like 3s faster. And dash breaks scripts that shebang to sh instead of bash (a fairly common practice). Granted, they should've use the right shebang in the first place, but these scripts worked before, and now they don't! This may seem as a minor annoyance - you can always relink sh back to bash. But the problem is, an average user won't understand why his 3rd party app suddenly stopped working with Edgy. There is no error message that would explain the problem in layman's terms and offer a solution. Therefore I think that 3s of boot time aren't worth the potential trouble for users.

    2. Re:A few things me likey by Fallingcow · · Score: 3

      Honestly, anyone who's installing 3rd party software on Ubuntu Edgy Eft that also happens to require a bootup shell script is going to be able to figure this out, or will already be aware of the issues and plan for it.

      I love Linux, and Ubuntu's hands-down the best distro I've ever used (best OS overall, too) but let's be realistic here. :)

  10. Page rank? by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't page rank on distrowatch based on clicks to the various distros pages on that site, rather than what distro you're actually using?

    "The Page Hit Ranking statistics have attracted plenty of attention and feedback. Originally, each distribution-specific page was pure HTML with a third-party counter at the bottom to monitor interest of visitors. Later the pages were transformed into plain text files with PHP generating all the HTML code, but the original counter remained unchanged. In May 2004 the site switched from publicly viewable third-party counters to internal counters. This was prompted by a continuous abuse of the counters by a handful of undisciplined individuals who had confused DistroWatch with a voting station. The counters are no longer displayed on the individual distributions pages, but all visits (on the main site, as well as on mirrors) are logged. Only one hit per IP address per day is counted."

    ...yeah, so what it actually means is that, because it's well known and at the top of the list, Ubuntu is usually the first page clicked. This records one hit, and then no other hits are recorded for that IP for the rest of the day.

    So it doesn't really say whether it is the most commonly used distribution, merely that it gets the most clicks to its page within distrowatch.

  11. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by bsdluvr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Eft is just another word for newt. A newt -a small aquatic salamander- is able to re-differentiate its cells, and regenerate its eyes, spinal cord and limbs. Maybe the new name is trying to say Ubuntu is as robust as a newt? I don't know...
    It's a bit far-fetched anyway, and it doesn't sound as cool as Breezy Badger.

  12. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by kolme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, at least you actually know what 'eft' means, but for non-native English speakers (like me), Ubuntu codenames are a nightmare. They're hard to pronounce and hard to remember. I've had to look every frikin' fancy codename up in the dictionary, and then I was disappointed to know what they mean.

    They should use more common words ('longhorn' is not too bad). It's like I release a program and I call it 'El Guepardo Guarrete". Would you remember that name?

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  13. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Shemmie · · Score: 5, Funny

    It tells me it'll take a long time to arrive, and likes to blow its own horn.

  14. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2, Funny

    Does Longhorn tell you anything?

    It will be cheesy....

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  15. Still not that impressed! by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While the whole world seems to be very impressed with Ubuntu and its derivatives, I am still to be impressed after having tried it for about three weeks. I will however give credit where it is due. For one, package management seems to be very much improved.

    What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document. It is also incredibly ugly for me...why? In KDE, this is possible but the fonts and general look are very ugly and are already starting to look ancient.

    Multimedia on the web is still a big hassle. Even for sites that offer RealPlayer streams, GNOME's RealPlayer, even if installed cannot grab the stream by default!

    The help system is still very wanting. Some have even told me it does not exist. Assumptions are made that everyone can go online and get the neccessary help. But what happens when you are on the road with no internet connection? Windows beat Linux on this.

    Before I get modded down for what some will call trolls, I will stop here but I agree that Ubuntu and Linux still have a long long way to impress folks like me.

    1. Re:Still not that impressed! by dorkygeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document.

      How hard is it to hit ctrl+l and then paste your path?

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    2. Re:Still not that impressed! by Talchas · · Score: 3, Informative

      First of all, its not very obvious. Second, while you can do that, typing a path is painful due to automatic completion of file/pathnames. I never know how many letters of a path I have to type before it completes and I am forced to start typing the next path segment. Its a really good way to stick yourself three directories down the wrong path if you type quickly. While there may well be a way to turn this off, I have no clue where it might be.

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  16. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by SamSim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thanks for those comments, everybody above me. Now for the ACTUAL explanation.

    In Terry Pratchett's book Strata there is a race called the "Ehfts". They are short fluffy things IIRC which nobody can quite understand. The quote is "Everybody thought Ehfts were funny, and nobody knew what Ehfts thought of anything". They get seen doing boring menial work, like sweeping floors. An Ehft computer is a room full of Ehfts, each one handling part of the mathematics. And Ehft books are very long strings with knots tied in them encoding the story. You read them by feeling your way along the string and feeling each knot. In the book, the protagonist, Kin Arad, "signs" an Ehft's book by tying a personalised knot on the end.

    Strata features a sort of proto-Discworld in it. It's not a Discworld novel and the disc world featured is not the same one in the Discworld novels, but they are very much along the same lines. I like the novel, to be honest, I think it's a fun read. Ditto The Dark Side Of The Sun, which is Pratchett's other pre-Discworld scifi book.

    Thank you and goodnight.

  17. Re:good 4 everyone by Adelbert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I agree, for a single user, "sudo" is kind of useless. However, if you have a large number of users, sudo is a godsend.

    In the standard Linux/Unix setup, you have a lot of users with minimal control of the system, and one "superuser" (root) who can do anything. This all-or-nothing setup is inherently risky, and a bit outdated.

    With sudo, a good sysadmin can use the "sudoers" file and select which users can do what. They can change this quickly and easily, and make groups and so on sans hassle. Users cannot, for security reasons, be given the root password. They can, however, just be asked to re-enter their own password to verify that it is in fact them.

    In short, sudo is a masterful idea. Also, it allows for some rather funny cartoons.

  18. What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What Ubuntu lacks is a good 64bit version.
    One of the advantages we are told of Ubuntu is that we don't have to wait on the long Debian development cycle. While that sounds good to the average i386 Ubuntu user. The amd64 Ubuntu user still has to wait on Debian. The reason I say this? In one word Multiarch.
    Multiarch was supposed to make it into Edgy. It was mentioned in the announcement by Mr Shuttleworth
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ 2006-April/000064.html But it is no longer included. The reason? Ubuntu developers are waiting on Debian to develop it.
    Its like 64bit users are second class citizens. No multiarch while distro's like SuSE, Fedora, Gento and others are already multiarch. No Wine, a 64bit firefox where plugins dont work, and other 32bit programs that must be manually added along with their lib's.
    All the while eye candy is added to the 32bit version. If it wasn't for the community and people there I would have left long ago. Its sad that people with 64bit systems are told to install the 32bit version because things are missing.

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  19. Re:Where does "knot" come from? by ilmdba · · Score: 2, Funny

    He turned me into an eft!!

  20. As a Windows user... by NeuroManson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I welcome our Ubuntu overlords. But seriously. As far as something that can allow the average Windows user to get a taste, or even build experience in using the Linux OS, this is the best way to go.

    For one, you can use the live CD to figure out how to get Linux to do everything you want, without making major changes in your existing setup.

    With luck (and perhaps a determined developer base), by the time Vista shows up to ream all of us Windows users in the ass, Ubuntu (and subsequent imitators) will be "general public" ready, so we at least have some options.

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  21. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm looking to start a campaign for making the next release the "Flatulent Flamingo". I think it has potential. People are going to remember THIS one.

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  22. As a Side Note by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The official releases are also numbered by date (Year.Month) so you could refer to Breezy Bagder as 5.10 (October 2005) and Dapper Drake as 6.06 (June 2006). I really don't see the big deal, if the name is hard to remember/prounce, a pair of numbers should be okay.

    From Wiki:
    4.10 October 20, 2004[10] Warty Warthog
    5.04 April 8, 2005 Hoary Hedgehog
    5.10 October 13, 2005 Breezy Badger
    6.06 June 1, 2006[11] Dapper Drake
    6.10 October 26, 2006 Edgy Eft

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distrib ution)

  23. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Guepardo" is cheetah, "guarrete" is from "guarro", which would be "filthy" or "obscene".

  24. Separated by a common language, but don't show it. by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I understand how we've got different pronunciations for vowels, which tend to shift all over the place. (Oy rally do.)

    I even get how a bloke might have to change a tyre on his lorry, maybe open the bonnet and fiddle with the carburettor to get the thing working, so he can pop over to some bird's flat to knock her up. Then he could find he's required to step outside so he can put a flaming fag between his lips and suck on it... because of the Anti-Smoking Nazis (pronounced either way).

    Now, can you explain 'leftenant'?

    But this is what got my attention:

    One of the many things people have complained about is Ubuntu's fairly plain splash loading screen, as well as all the "scary text" scrolling by.
    Ever since Windows 95 and the window floating in the clouds, with the pulsating blue bar across the bottom of the screen, the conventional wisdom has been that users are 'scared' by words during the boot. Anyone suffering from logophobia needs to seek professional help, not have enablers writing software for them.

    I am reassured by those text messages, and should one of them fail, I damnwell want to know which one it was. Of course, that might just be because I'll do something about it, rather than freak out about the computer being borked.

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  25. Fair And Balanced? by magicnumber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting how the Slashdot editors judge an alpha release of Ubuntu worthy of a front page story, whereas the broken-X-when-updating fiasco of a couple of weeks back was conspicuous by it's absence.

    Very interesting indeed..

  26. Re:How can I upgrade? by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can upgrade just by changing all occurences of 'dapper' to 'edgy' in /etc/apt/sources.list. 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade' will get you *most* of the way there.

    A word of caution, though. This didn't go 100% smoothly for me. First of all, I had to run the dist-upgrade several times, and go through synaptic's 'mark all upgrades' a couple times as well. I finally got it to install what needed installing, upgrade what needed upgrading, and remove what needed removing. It just took several iterations. The only other issue I've had so far is that my nVidia drivers broke with the new X.org. I just downloaded the newest driver package from nVidia, and it was off to the races.

    Now that I've had a little time to poke around, I generally like it. It seems there's an IMAP bug in Evolution, so I'm using Thunderbird for now. I'm sure they'll have that worked out quickly enough. Lots of things seem cleaned up in the admin tools, a bug fix seems to have gone in for my Intel wireless card, things like that.

    Overall, I'd say your chances of surviving an upgrade via aptitude are very good if you are the technical type (I assume you are). So far, I like what I see.

  27. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by kolme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, it is an English word: here's a definition, or you can see it with your eyes.

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  28. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's how it works. "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS" had the development codename "Dapper Drake". "Ubuntu 6.10" has the development codename "Edgy Eft".

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