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GNOME 2.16 Released

Kethinov writes "The GNOME Project has just released version 2.16 of their popular *nix desktop environment. Among many snazzy new features, is lots of new eye candy, including an experimental compositer in Metacity, feature enhancements, usability improvements, and much, much more. Ars Technica has a review."

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  1. candy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bring on the eye candy! There'll be heaps of complainers who say its unnecessary... but sorry, its necessary to bring linux gradually mainstream.

    1. Re:candy by Jake73 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I basically agree with this, but think the developers should find some real designer talent to bring it about. For example, the screenshots are horrible. They took window shots, then faded the borders to white, then added a drop shadow. If you can't tell that this doesn't look right, you're in the wrong league.

      Don't fade borders if you're compositing a complete window. Faded borders are the graphical equivalent of an ellipsis.

      And definitely don't add a drop shadow to something you've already faded to white. It looks ridiculous.

  2. Re:Sourceforge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think you mean "The same poeple who are apt-get to run linux"

  3. Re:Probably that you're running Ubuntu, like me. by Hikaru79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not a coincidence that Ubuntu's release cycle is the same as Gnome's -- six months. That's the defining feature of a new Ubuntu release: a new Gnome release. It was especially designed to be this way.

    So to answer your question, 2.16 will be in Edgy. And 2.18 will be in whatever comes after Edgy. And so on.

  4. Damnit! by suso · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just emerging 2.14 now.

  5. Re:So? It still sucks. by dcapel · · Score: 5, Funny

    You know, I once heard a wise man tell a parable:

    I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off.
    I immediately ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!"
    "Why shouldn't I?" he said.
    I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
    "Like what?"
    "Well ... are you religious or atheist?"
    "Religious."
    "Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?"
    "Christian."
    "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
    "Protestant."
    "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
    "Baptist."
    "Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
    "Baptist Church of God."
    "Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
    "Reformed Baptist Church of God."
    "Wow! Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed
    Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"
    "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"
    To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

    Incidentally, I use KDE ;)

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  6. The important part: Mono by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Informative

    This release is very important because Mono is now a dependency! This single move pretty much moves Mono from an interesting project into mainstream OSS.

    As a C# fan, and knowing how much of a pain GTK was in C, I think this is a very good move. KDE has always had a better API, official Mono support with GTK reverses that! This could really clear up GNOME, and the Linux desktop generally.

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    1. Re:The important part: Mono by benplaut · · Score: 5, Informative

      Regardless, it is still an accepted standard (ISO/IEC 23270)

  7. Re:Does it work on Windows 95? by i3iz · · Score: 5, Funny

    it's easy to install. Type Format C: at the command line. Then hit Y

  8. Re:GNOME by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Built by Sony? That'd be a blast!

  9. Re:Sourceforge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I sense a bad joke about to emerge...

  10. Re:But does it have a useable file-save dialogue? by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I do a save-as in gnome, I get a window that asks for a name and a folder. So far so good. Unfortunately, the "folder" selector is not a filesystem browser, but a list of "shortcuts". These are named after the last part of the path name - unfortunatly, this gives absolutely no insight as to where in the filesystem tree this folder is. They could show the full path name, or have a tooltip pop up if the mouse hovers over, or something. There are also some default shortcuts with ambiguous names: Desktop and Filesystem. The former, I happen to know through corresponds to ~/Desktop (and no, I don't use nautilus*, so it doesn't show up on my actual desktop). The latter is a mystery, but apparently I don't have permission to save there, wherever it is.

    Now, if I haven't configured a shortcut for the folder I want (and this is done manually - for some reason gnome doesn't just remember my most recent folders), I have to click on "browse for other folders". Since this is usually what I want to do anyways, it's a little tedious to have to go looking for it every time. Here it gets downright confusing. On the left is a pane that looks like the contents of a current working directory, but is actually just the same list of shortcuts I had just a moment ago decided I wasn't interested in; double clicking one of these entries does, however, navigate the real filesystem browser to that shortcut. The real list-view filesystem browser is on the right. With this I don't have much complaint, except that there isn't an obvious way to paste a path in from somewhere else.

    The lack of full pathname plagues other parts of gnome as well - consider the "save screenshot" window, invoked with [printscreen]. It remembers where I last saved a screenshot, but where is the full path? I have to select "other" from the dropdown list to find out where it is.

    *An observation: if you disable nautilus, gnome won't set up your wallpaper when you log in. You can still set it *manually* from the preferences/desktop background dialogue, but it will revert to default after login out and back in.

  11. Memo to text-porn writers: by patio11 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing says "sexy" like paragraph breaks.
        Its not hard. No, no, that's not what I meant.

  12. Gnome! by SQLz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now with more KDE!

  13. Yet STILL... by DeathAndTaxes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    STILL we gnome faithful are saddled with having only one desktop picture for all workspaces. This became ridiculous at gnome 2.10, IMO. Gnome devs still say they are all for the spatial paradigm (which I like, btw), yet they miss the opportunity to use different desktop pics for each workspace, which would make each workspace...different (wait for it) spatially.

    (I still use gnome every day.) ;-)

  14. Here's another problem with Gnome branding by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tomboy, Notes application
    Alacarte, Menu Editor
    Baobab, Disk usage analyzer
    Totem, Video player

    WTF???

    Why not call the Notes application "Gnome Notes", the menu editor "Gnome Menu Editor", the Disk usage analyzer "Gnome Disk Usage Analyzer" and the video player, you've guessed it, "Gnome Video Player".
    I know developers like to give their applications noteworthy and unique names, but to a user this is only confusing and unnecessary. Especially considering all these are part of Gnome and will most likely not be used outside the Gnome environment.

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    1. Re:Here's another problem with Gnome branding by Medieval_Gnome · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not quite that bad. When accessing these programs from the menu they *do* have the simple names you were hoping for.

      Totem is 'Movie Player'
      Baobab is 'Disk Usage Analyzer'
      Alacarte seems to be 'Menu Layout', although Ubuntu might have changed something here.
      Tomboy is unfortunately 'Tomboy notes'

      So overall they've managed to use fairly clear and simple names for these programs, much as you were hoping for.

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    2. Re:Here's another problem with Gnome branding by g2devi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's absolutely necessary.

      Think about it. If you run GNOME on a distro that uses the default GNOME applications, you'll see this on your menu item:

      Epiphany Web Browser

      but if you run Ubuntu, you'll see:

      Firefox Web Browser

      These are *different* apps with different features and limitations so they should not be given the same name (i.e. GNOME Web Browser) even if the naming convention is consistent within a distribution. By force-fitting the branding, you're eliminating the possibility that GNOME can change its mind about web browsers and you're making it difficult to support GNOME. And it confuses novices who buy "GNOME for dummies" books and expect one thing to work and has a different result because they're getting another app.

      Let's extend this a bit further. Suppose I want to run Firefox, Epiphany, Opera, and Konqueror. My menu would look like:

      Epiphany Web Browser
      Firefox Web Browser
      Opera Web Browser
      Konqueror Web Browser

      All these options are available and even a new user on my machine that only knew one of these browsers would see that they are all web browsers.

      What's wrong with unique names anyway? Is Excel any more descriptive than iLife or OpenOffice? None make sense, but all are well known. People like unique names since they're easy to remember. And for people who don't know what these apps mean, the old "OpenOffice Word Processor"/"OpenOffice Spreadsheet"/... menu items should give them all the information they need to know.