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Pro-DRM Law May Be Coming To Australia

paxmaniac writes, "The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the Australian Federal Government will soon introduce laws making it illegal to circumvent copy control 'technological prevention measures' (or TPMs). The laws will make it illegal to modchip a console, to hack a DVD player to make it multi-region, to install DVD decoders on your PC, or to circumvent DRM in any other way. From the article: 'Anyone found to have used technology to circumvent copy control TPMs will face fines of up to $6600, while those guilty of distributing enabling devices and services to others through a variety of means face imprisonment for up to five years and possible fines of $60,500.' Australia is obliged to introduce these laws as part of it's Free Trade Agreement with the USA. Gee thanks, George!"

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  1. FTA by starnix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it just me or is the US using that fucking thing to basically pass laws in other countries? The Frog is coming to a boil.

    1. Re:FTA by Raistlin77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not ashamed to be American, but I am pissed off at the other idiot Americans that allow crap like this to occur.

    2. Re:FTA by ArcherB · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. It just disgusts me. I am ashamed to be an American.
      I hate to be the "love it or leave it" type, but why would you be ashamed of something you are free to change? I understand China is pretty lax about DRM stuff and Canada is nice this time of year.

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    3. Re:FTA by LaughingCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember, everyone doesn't vote. This would be a nice theory except for the fact that there is a high correlation between the level of education and the likelihood of voting (the more educated, the more likely you're a voter). So that actually means Bush got roughly 50% of the most educated voters. Quite the opposite of what your are implying. I also suspect, though I can't prove it, that there is also a high correlation showing that the less educated a voter, the more likely they vote for Democrats. This is why the Democrats are always trying to "get out the vote".

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    4. Re:FTA by Zenaku · · Score: 5, Insightful
      And it was bull, then too. The US didn't pass it to protect free trade with the EU, and Australia didn't pass it to protect free-trade with the US.

      Both passed it as a big wet blowjob for corporate interests, in the hopes that they'd leave a fifty on the nightstand.

      So just handle these laws the way we do in the US. Speak up against them, fight them in court, and vote out anyone who supports them. And since none of that will actually make a spec of difference, ignore them.

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    5. Re:FTA by rajafarian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is it just me or is the US using that fucking thing to basically pass laws in other countries? The Frog is coming to a boil.

      Dude, didn't you read the earlier Spamhaus story? We don't even need to pass laws in your country, 'cause we can just enforce ours there. But you know what? We have the world's largest amassment of chemical weapons, biological weapons, conventional bombs, jet fighters, aircraft carriers, Weapons of Mass Destruction in the known Universe... AND we have a credit card with bottomless pit to buy more!

      We also are working on taking over every election in the world, that you may elect leaders more favorable to us; they need not even be electronic since we have money to bribe or guns to kill those that do not cooperate with us.

      We reserve the right to take hostage any person, place, or thing and need not tell or explain to anyone what we did because undoubtedly, they had ties to terrorists.

      Passing a law in another country is just for show, to make things easier for us so we don't have to do those things which we can do whether you like it or not.

    6. Re:FTA by 14CharUsername · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is also a high correlation showing the higher the income level the higher the education level. And there's a high correlation between high edcuation level and people knowing that correlation is not causation.

    7. Re:FTA by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course it's bull, just like the coming "100 year copyright" for harmonization with Mexico will be bull. Here in the US I live in, we speak up against them and are ignored. Those who fight them in court, lose (just ask the EFF. Or bnetd or 2600). If we vote against those who support them, it's for a loser as the candidates with a chance all support the law. The fix is in, and not just in the US and OZ. Our choices are simple; obey, disobey and avoid getting caught, disobey and be bankrupted, or disobey and be jailed.

    8. Re:FTA by tomjen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And jet all that hardware is useless - you are losing two wars in the middle east (Afghanistan and Iraq) contemplating starting a Third (Iran), while you are spending a fortune on imported goods because the Chineese can make it so much cheaper. No I am not impressed, and if you continue this way the United States (at least its status as a superpower) will be history very, very soon.

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  2. Uhh.. by joshetc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to install DVD decoders on your PC

    What is the point in a DVD-Rom if we can't decode DVDs? On top of that don't we pay the same royalties for the DVD-Roms we buy that DVD player buyers pay?

    to hack a DVD player to make it multi-region

    Even if the manufacturer makes them multi-region?

    The laws will make it illegal to modchip a console

    Isn't modchipping a console sort of like putting a turbo on your car? So making MY PURCHASED PRODUCT better is against the law?

    1. Re:Uhh.. by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Just because it is possible or makes sense doesn't mean it's legal. The DVD-Rom's reason to exist lies in the fact that you can use larger media than CDs to store data. Though, it would shed some new light on the "copyright fee" we pay here for DVD-ROMs (as well as pretty much all the rest we could possibly put into a computer, including mainboards and HDs), and I'd start to question these fees. If I am not allowed to do what I allegedly do, does that mean that by paying this fee I do admit that I'm a criminal?

      2. Manufacturer will be required to discontinue offering region free DVD players. Simple as that.

      3. Yes, making your purchased product better can be illegal. There are movements here to outlaw so called "chip tuning", and turbos (like nitro injectors) are not allowed altogether already.

      Yes, we're getting to the point where the vendor dictates what you may do with the product you buy. I'm really waiting now for a law that outlaws refilling bottles with tap water after you drank the original content.

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    2. Re:Uhh.. by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the US most folks don't care, because nearly everything is released here...

      One word: Anime.

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    3. Re:Uhh.. by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because it is possible or makes sense doesn't mean it's legal

      And just because something is illegal doesn't mean it's wrong, or that you should recognize the law.

    4. Re:Uhh.. by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have a cunning plan. I'm going to sell pipes to people for transporting water for thier baths, but every time they want to put water through those pipes, I'm going to make them pay me using a meter. And I'm not going to let the modify the meter, or get water from any one else.

      Sound like a dumb idea? It is. If the companies that make games consoles are unhappy because their stupid business model doesn't allow them to sell their console for a sensible price (read for a market driven price) and then sell the games, also for a market driven price, then I have some good old capitalist advice for them. Sod off and die.

      I bought it, I will damn well do what I like with it, and if they don't like it, my advice to them is simple, don't sell it to me in the first place.

    5. Re:Uhh.. by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh I know that no one would buy games consoles if they were priced at cost. My point is that if you are going to sell a piece of hardware you cant tell people what they can and cannot do with it. I have no objections to the selling consoles at below cost. But they cant then turn around and complain if someone modifies those consoles.

      However, trying to barstardise property law to protect this business model is totally unacceptable. If I buy something from you, and then do something with it you hadn't intended with it, well thats just tough on you, unless the something unexpected I do directly infringes on your rights.

      If they want us to surrender our property rights when we buy a games console, then make us sign a contract. Don't abuse the country by barstardising property rights. It's about time someone took these corporate overlords and kicked them out of politics. It should be illegal for a limited liability company to expression a political viewpoint or utilise it's property to promote legislation or a political viewpoint.

  3. DVD de-regioning? by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Insightful
    to hack a DVD player to make it multi-region

    You mean to say that, were I an Oz resident, I couldn't flash my DVD-drive to enable me to play my perfectly legally imported Region 1 DVDs? As a UK resident, I did exactly this so that I could get the missus a copy of Legend with the original-release Tangerine Dream soundtrack (not available in UK) as opposed to the ridiculous "director's cut" version that pollutes our senses to this day.

    Isn't this just a huge step backwards in the natural global-information-culture progression? I mean, this difficult balance between the rights of consumers and the rights of creators and retailers is getting knocked all over the place with heavy-handed laws.

    Piracy is already illegal, but there are many non-pirating practices that can make use of some of these technologies. Isn't this like throwing out the baby with the bathwater, when the bath was already drained anyway?

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  4. Recant your infocentric ideas! by w33t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if some day in the (hopefully not too) far future DRM and similar laws restricting the distribution of information will be looked upon in the same light as we now look upon the Catholic Church's order to Galileo to cease teaching the heretical notion of heliocentrism.

  5. It's about market control by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Believe me, I feel your pain. We only get very badly dubbed versions of movies in bad quality here if we buy a "local" region code DVD.

    But what this is about is market share and control. The distribution cartel has the world divided in certain "sectors", that pretty much correspond with the RCs. And of course, they have to pay fees to the studios according to their presumed revenues.

    Those revenues rely on you being forced to buy with them, though. If someone in, say, Europe could simply buy a DVD from the US (because it's out like a month earlier, mostly due to distribution negotiations taking a few days), the distributor in Europe is losing money. Also he would lose money because, as I said in the first paragraph, the dubbing is most of the time simply outright BAD. And I prefer to listen to it in the original anyway. So what do I do? Right. I buy it a month early in a well made box instead of a dubbed version in cardboard a month later.

    And this is what they want to avoid. Besides, the distri in the US only paid them for the distri rights in the US (and Canada, afaik). Should nobody in Europe pick it up because they didn't think there'd be a market, the Distri in the US would make a killing (and leave the studio ripped off). Also, should it against all odds become a huge seller, they can still sell the rights for distribution in Europe and make money again, because I (here in Europe) couldn't have bought it in the US (because of RC lock).

    It's all about money and market control.

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  6. Control laws by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Laws like this, i.e. laws that everyone breaks, are for control. Need a warrant? Let's see, does he have a computer? Great, we got one.

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  7. Re:FTA (Softwood Lumber - a lesson) by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When they do sign it their economy will still be 'fucked' because the US government will not enforce the agreement unless the US benifits. For an example check out the Softwood Lumber dispute between Canada and the US. Canada had to pay the $1 Billion (US), yes one billion dollars, to the the US goverment and their lumber intrests just to get them to drop illigal duties, found illigal by all FTA tribulas, the WTO and the US federal courts. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/softwood_lumber/

  8. But it's not a "copy control" mechanism by mengel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ... its a "playback prevention" mechanism. You can copy DVD's, etc. all you want and the mechanism doesn't mind. It will play exact copies of the media just as well as originals, and it makes no difference.

    It just controls where/when you can play a DVD. That is, it is a play control mechanism, not a copy control mechanism.

    So as long as they only outlawed circumventing copy-protection mechanisms, they haven't actually affected DRM. The MPAA rhetoric basically comes back and bites them here -- by lying about what the issue is, they get a law that doesn't actually do what they want.

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  9. What's the point? by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Remember, everyone doesn't vote.

    What's the point in voting when all the candidates act the same way anyway? People aren't voting because there's are rarely ever any people on the ballot worth getting up to vote for. What's the point if Jack Johnson (R) gets into office instead of John Jackson (D)? They'll both make the same stupid decisions being made in the interests of big business or some special interest group anyway. We're left with is this ridiculous Rebulicrat/Demican waltz that goes on forever.

    The worst part about all this is the sheer number of people who think voting democrat instead of republican or republican instead of democrat will fix anything.

    You want people to vote in this farcical circus we call a democracy? Get the DMV involved and make it a requirement to have voted in the previous election in order to get your driving license renewed, or something equally retarded. The only way to get people to take part in something that's not worth doing is to either change the thing so that it *is* worth doing, or to force them into doing it.

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    1. Re:What's the point? by 0xABADC0DA · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People don't vote because they are lazy, ignorant, and/or don't care, not because there's nothing worth voting for. There's always something worth voting for that actually does make a difference. You can vote for the lesser of two evils, or an independent, or a local referendum that actually affects you, or in the worst case cast an empty vote to lodge your protest. Even casting an empty ballot is worth doing.

      I think you'll find 99% of the time this is just an excuse to hide a personal fault. Which would you rather tell somebody, that you didn't vote because you were just lazy or because "they're all the same"? Would you rather tell somebody you didn't vote because you were too ignorant to know that the richest school district in the state doesn't actually need extra money on the referendum, or that "one vote won't make a difference". Would you rather tell people that you didn't vote for an 3rd party candidate because you didn't even know what day was election day or because "a vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote"?

    2. Re:What's the point? by michrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People don't vote because they are lazy, ignorant, and/or don't care, not because there's nothing worth voting for. There's always something worth voting for that actually does make a difference. You can vote for the lesser of two evils, or an independent, or a local referendum that actually affects you, or in the worst case cast an empty vote to lodge your protest. Even casting an empty ballot is worth doing.

      In your world, maybe. In my world, voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for "evil". You can wish to vote independent (or whatever other "party") all you want. It won't matter one bit if they aren't even on the ballot.

      Perfect example: Vote for Kerry, who will bumble around in office and flip-flop on everything (and *possibly* have driven us to war, or not...) Or vote for Bush, who wished to "bring society together" by driving a wedge into it (FMA, anyone?). Oh.. He also drove us to war. Directly to war. We did not pass "go", nor did we collect $200 (well, actually, he did give us some money, but he put us even further into debt to do it wich, in my mind, negates having given us the money in the first place).

      I have not voted in some time because all those running for office, for the most part, have been completely opposite of what I look for. I don't just "sit" here, however, and stew about it. I write to them and tell them why I'm not voting (not that I think it'd change anything).

      Our system of government needs changes -- badly. I am just not sure how to go about it.

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  10. Re:It's not 'America', it's corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    America is corporate fortress. They even conditioned (a.k.a. brainwashed) you to extinguish any protest against them as "communism" (a self-explanatory evil, no less). And as long as they can keep you frightened by the rest of the world beeing "anti-american" to various degrees, they are safe from any limitation to their power. Methinks that even if you were to regain the public, majority control over "your" government, they are so mighty today that they could buy themself another private Army, Navy and Air Force, probably someplace like Australia - not too many people to control, isolated from possible adversaries,... who knows, once robotics kick in big time... I for one welcome our new Auzzie corporate overlords!

  11. Why blame George? by SirAnodos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who signed off on the DMCA? This whole mess is on both sides of the isle, and it isn't going to change until we people show the government who they are supposed to be working for. Right now, they think they work for lobbying industries such as RIAA, MPAA, etc.

  12. Right... because Bush Started the DMCA. by kinglink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Blinding blaming Bush for everything our Goverment does gets old after a while. The DMCA was done in 1998, yet Bush has been blamed for that. EUCA (European DMCA) was done based on a trade agreement of 1996 by the WIPO.

    We made a Free trade agreement with Australia that effectively says you must conformed to the decisions of this group. Remember that President Bush didn't write this all himself, he didn't sign this law himself. Australian goverment and our own congress approved this law too, John Kerry was also a huge supporter (supposidly).

    But continue to call on Bush alone as if no one else but him did any of this.

  13. Re:It's not 'America', it's corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    America IS the corporations. They buy and sell the politicians like penny stocks. All the rest of us do is vote on the losers put up by the money men (and a few women). Do you want Exxon/Mobil or GE as your representative in congress? (Halliburton already has a lock on the executive.)