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Zune's Viral DRM Will Violate Creative Commons

lopy writes "Medialoper has noted that Zune's highly touted wireless file sharing will infect otherwise unprotected audio files with proprietary DRM. In cases where users are sharing songs covered by any of the Creative Commons licenses, this would be a clear violation of those license. From the CC FAQ: 'If a person uses DRM tools to restrict any of the rights granted in the license, that person violates the license.' It'll be interesting to see how and if the CC community responds." An anonymous reader wrote in mentioning a post to the Crave blog, relatedly exploring how the Zune stacks up to the iPod.

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  1. Does it really wrap non-WMA files? by ben+there... · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering all the FUD that gets commentary and analysis about MS and Vista recently, it would be nice to know exactly where he got the information that Zune would also wrap non-WMA, non-DRMed files in a DRM layer.

    Does it really do that? Anyone have a source?

  2. Re:Contributory and Vicarious Infringement by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft would not be doing anything wrong.

    You know 'wrong' and 'illegal' are not synonyms, right?

    The person who distributes the CC-licensed work would be breaking the terms of the license...

    The contributory copyright violation in the grokster case was that they knew or expected that people would be using their technology to violate copyright and made a profit off of it. MS is in exactly the same boat. making three copies of a song for random people in a wireless net is almost certainly illegal copyright violation and MS is making money facilitating it. Take em to court RIAA!

  3. How about when someone manages to kill the DRM? by TheAmazingJambi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Given that no DRM I've yet heard of has been able to stand up against a bunch of people willing to crack it, does anyone think the Zune might gain a cult following if someone should manage to disable the 3-day/3-play limit on the songs? Or even the DRM wrapper that adds DRM to the songs that don't have it? Because a DRM-less Zune actually sounds like a good idea. Hackers, get to it!

  4. Microsoft *had* to use this DRM.... by zymurgy_cat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    or the **AA would have had to sue the hell out of them. The ultimate nightmare for a **AA executive is a "college Zune party." A bunch of people get together, swap a ton of music/movies/etc., and leave. No torrents, web servers, or IP addresses to list in a lawsuit or threatening letter to a college administrator. Microsoft would have been guilty of enabling illegal file sharing/IP theft without this DRM wrapper.

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  5. Re:ok so? by superkpt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a former long-time owner of a Sony Minidisc player, I can give you a glimpse of why the hate is so strong here. It's about (what my best friend calls) 'wasted potential.'

    Let me give you an idea of what my Minidisc life was like for about 5 years:

    The device is capable of so many uses. You can record, you can play, you can run with it, you can hook it up to a million sound systems, etc. etc. etc. But the software is designed with keen observation from the lawyers in the company. Many of the features that you, in your sweet heart, KNOW are there are disabled. Recording and then copying are severely restricted. Getting music onto the damn thing takes the effort equivalent to climbing a mountain.

    Long story short, it's a gallant horse with strong legs in a tight and painful harness. Severely limited in its movement, the animal withers.

    The wireless component of the Zune give it immense potential to dethrone the Ipod. But, we all know that DRM and MS's history will give us a scenario much like the one I consistently experienced as a Minidisc fan.

    That's why I have an Ipod.

  6. Re:Contributory and Vicarious Infringement by tinkerghost · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The contributory copyright violation in the grokster case was that they knew or expected that people would be using their technology to violate copyright and made a profit off of it. MS is in exactly the same boat. making three copies of a song for random people in a wireless net is almost certainly illegal copyright violation and MS is making money facilitating it. Take em to court RIAA!
    That would depend on what kind of liscensing agreement MS made with the RIAA. Of course if an artist not part of the RIAA wanted to sue them that would be different. However, contributing to breach of copywrite under the CC liscensing agreement by 'requiring' that all music be wrapped in the same DRM may have more of a chance to be done. I believe some of the MSN community stuff is done under CC, so they can't claim ignorance of the liscense. Therefor they can be held to have known/should have known that sharing music covered under the CC would be done in violation of copywrite if wrapped in their DRM.
    Oh the sweet irony, indies hitting MS with the exact same argument the RIAA used against Napster & Grokster.
    "Your honor, the federal courts have upheld that despite the substantially non-infringing use of a system, a companies encouragement of people to trade music files makes them accountable for the infringement of their clients.(re Napster & Grokster) We understand that the defendant is claiming that their distibution method of wrapping files in DRM & time limiting usage makes the action fall under fair use, however we humbly direct the courts attention to the [insert number of CC songs available] songs liscensed for distribution under the Creative Commons liscense. The actions of the defendant place their users in direct violation of the terms of this liscense, and as such, MS, by encouriging the users of Zune products to violate the liscense - and thus copyright law as they no longer have a legal copy of the music, is a direct contributor to the copyright infringment of it's users. We feel that the damage done to our clients reaches into the $[asshat number with no relationship to reality] and so ask MS to pay them $[even higher number] to cover our clients losses, their emotional distress, and legal fees. We additionally request an injunction prohibiting MS from further enabling this gross violation of copyrite law."
    The beauty of that is that the CCL makes it absolutely clear that you are making your own copy only by accepting the conditions of the CC liscense. If you violate the liscense, you have just surrendered your right to continue owning the music you already downloaded. This is unlike the music industry that plays the "it's a product - wait, no, it's a liscense game". Here you clearly make & own your own copy under a liscense. Violate the terms of the liscense & you void your right to own the copied work => destroy the work or be in violation of copyright. I don't see MS touting this fact while they run around promoting Zune.
  7. Re:I don't know if Microsoft is liable here... by Zordak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see you've been modded funny. I hope that you were trying to be funny, because if this was a serious argument, it is astoundingly ineffective. If I grant you a license to my copyrighted work with the only restriction being that you are not allowed to copy it onto papyrus, you are bound by that term if you accept the copy. The only thing I can't do is restrict non-infringing copying or statutory fair uses, because Title 17 doesn't give me control over those in the first place. Other than that, I can pretty well impose whatever restrictions I like, let them be ever so arbitrary, silly and/or useless. "The work was readily available," is not an excuse.

    As for the argument that being electronically encoded is itself an "implicit content lock," I invite you to convince a court that your ludicrous definition is correct. You could just as easily argue that writing in English is an encryption because not all people are literate in English, and you would be just as wrong.

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  8. Re:Chinese Translation analogy by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone can zip and password protect a CC file. Does this mean Zip is a problem or the Zipper?

    Is Zune the problem, or the guy who put the CC file on his Zune player?

    So who broke the law, the guy who translated it, the guy who paid for the translation, or the guy who bought the translation.

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