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Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
jZnat writes, "In June Rolling Stone ran an article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. delving into the statistical improbability that Bush won the 2004 election based on massive amounts of evidence that support a Republican-sponsored election fraud across the country, particularly in Ohio. The GOP used a number of tactics in its fraudulent campaign including ballot-stuffing, denying newly registered voters (particularly in urban and minority precincts) their voting privileges via illegal mailings known as caging lists, inane voter registration requirements, preventing thousands of voters from receiving provisional ballots, under-providing Democrat-majority precincts with voting machines thus creating enormous queues of voters, faulty machines (particularly from Diebold) that skewed results in the GOP's favor, mostly unnoticed ballot-stuffing and fraud in rural areas, and a fixed recount that was paid for by the Green and Libertarian parties that essentially supported the initial fraudulent numbers." From the article: "'Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen,' Lou Harris, the father of modern political polling, told me."
Quick look, wow lots of sources. So, i checked one. Number 6.
Um, this is a bogus story. Sorry.
Have you read my journal today?
Bush is an illigitimate president who stole the election TWICE and maniulated the eleciton in Mexico so the Christian party would win. The people are catching on, George, and soon you pro-Creationism, anti-Science party will LOSE, and your NINE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT -- which has never before been seen in history -- will be patched up through revocation of your pro-war, pro-Israel policies which led to war and distruction in the middle east.
He couldn't have fooled that many people! So the only way he could have won was with the help of the Republican dirty-tricksters, because no one who had any brain cells could vote for that idiot, right? Well, I hope you dem f-tard-hippies keep believing it because the longer you do, the longer we'll keep winning. Just keep spreading those lies if it makes you feel better, maybe one day you'll believe them.
This story has been kicked back and forth in a lot of different places ever since the events in question took place. But to answer some questions...
1. Were the 2000 and 2004 American elections both illegitimate? Completely.
2. Is Bush a fascist monster who took advantage not only of the above, but also of 9/11, and whose goal is the complete dismantling of the American system of government? Same answer.
3. Do Americans care? For the most part, not at all.
Bush *is* an illegitimately elected aspirant dictator, a large scale mass murderer, and a war criminal. I'm not trying to insist that anyone even care about that...but one thing I do wish people would stop doing is denying it.
Socialised med.
Gun control (other then hitting what your aiming at).
BTU taxes.
Koyoto treaty.
World court.
Loss of sovernty to the UN.
Also lookup 'economic democracy' for an example of proven not to work thinking changing its name and rearing its ugly head again.
Basically the first two years of clinton are exactly what you're looking for. When they had control.
Clinton was only a centrist after he got smacked hard for what he tried in his first two years.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Put it like this.
Hello, Mr. Astroglide, nice to be meeting you. Ted Kennedy said that I should meet you. It will make insertion of his member less painful once it's in.
In other words, Ted Kennedy (villain) wants to make sweet sodomy to you. Sweet, sweet sodomy. Ted Kennedy likes it when you take it. Don't let in! He's a crook. He went WAYYYYY left because it was the only way to stay in office. Not the nice moderate Kennedy politics that we were used to.
Good DAY, sir!
Outstanding point of logic - to date, I've yet to hear a speech by Rice, Bush and Cheney that could be cited for containing any truth whatsoever. In virtually every speech they have contradicted previous assertions, again and again...and again...and again....
They can be counted on to lie. Especially when lying gets people to ignore their crimes. At this point, anyone holding their uncorroborated statements up as proof of anything is a liar, too.
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make install -not war
I didn't vote for Bush, but this vilification has got to stop.
This is such an obvious ruse --- vilification my ass! (And quoting Kerry is a red herring - Kerry's major problem when he announced for the presidency for 2004 was how to differentiate himself - and his extremely similar voting record - from George Bush. Kerry is a fraud!) This psycho moron in on 1600 Pennsylvania has set new and behemoth records for obscene WAR PROFITEERING (along with humanitarian disaster profiteering, and security industry profiteering, etc., ad nauseum). His "War on Terra" is to destroy the economy, destroy the military, destroy the middle class, and finally, destroy any remnant of democracy left in America. You are completely devoid of any analytical intelligence, or you are a complete fraud.....
> They had an election down there, and Edwin Edwards got 50% of the vote!
Heard that one and it is funny. But the truth of the matter is the mechanical voting machines Louisiana used up til very recently were almost never in dispute. They worked and worked well. The cheating happened anyway. Remember, to a great extent it is not who votes that counts, it is who counts the votes that determines who won and who lost. Louisiana, like most other states, has such a large infestestation of career Democrats in all of the positions of the local governments (the ones who operate the voting machines and certify results) that any fraud MUST involve Democrats. Find me a precinct where all of the elections officials are Republicans. I'm sure that such a situation exists somewhere, but I can show you thousands where the opposite is true.
And they have zero moral scrupples about taking advantage of the situation. After all, there is no good and evil, no right or wrong. Only power and those with the will to seize it. Isn't that in the Democratic platform somewhere?
Democrat delenda est
> Sounds like what Al Gore and the Democrats tried to do in Florida. AlGoreithm, n. (al'-gor-ith'-m) : Any method of calculation performed endlessly until a predetermined desired result is produced.
Interesting, isn't it, that those who "deny" that the election was stolen never "refute" it? Especially here on slashdot, where people are supposed to be all scientific and empirical. When John Conyers submitted his report to Congress, and the bicameral "debate" took place in Congress, the Republicans defending the seating of the Ohio electors never once refuted any of the massive evidence that had been presented. They simply called those complaining, in essence, sore losers.
If the facts are not disputed, they are admitted. Based on the admitted facts, any American who says that what happened is ok is, to my way of thinking, helping to destroy democracy in our country.
Ray Beckerman +5 Insightful
Would somebody with points mind modding the parent as flamebait?
Only on Slashdot could a rant that ends with "to Hell with you" be considered insightful. There may be something true in there, but hardly insightful or even on topic. This is another examply of why Slashdot was so much better before they added the "politics" catagory. The transformation to a rant-infested forum is reminiscent of that of the Jerry Springer show.
For one, Australia has pretty damned close to 100% literacy ... from what I've seen of else-where it still translates into a population massively more informed than (for example) the US.
... Australians are so much smarter than Americans.
I'm not sure about that. Case in point: Australia's two highest rating "current affairs" programs are running stories about "cannibal" tribes. Yeah
I think people were ashamed to vote for bush. Would you be proud of it?
evil is as evil does
Yusaku, That "one sentence" tries to absolve an Administration that has undermined the foundation of a nation, tries to blame the victim instead of placing the blame squarely with the criminals themselves. That "one sentence" is the Big Lie that serves to quiet a populace as their leaders encroach upon their freedoms and pick their pockets. "One sentence" can be more than enough.
You are welcome on my lawn.
people like these guys need to get out of the big city once in a while and witness the vast republican majority in every rural and suburban area. once you get about 10-15 miles from a major (pop. ~million) city suddenly everybody is one of those "rednecks" they go on about.
besides, it's not like every election we have ever had wasn't pretty damn dirty. the difference here is even if every single contested vote went to kerry, he'd still have lost by a slim margin. and what are the chances that 100% of them were kerry votes? slim to none. at least that was the case last time i read about it, which was like 2 years ago when the election actually was.
there is another thing; GET OVER IT ALREADY! bush wil be gone no matter what in 2 years. how about working on fielding a decent freaking candidate for once instead of continuing to bitch about what happened 2 or even 6 years ago. why not get together a fund-raising and vote-getting machine to actually WIN definitively.
quit whining, and get to work...
sometimes, i wonder if i'm the only conservative on teh intarweb. ah well, back to mah hogs and warmongerin'....