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New Tolkien Story To be Published

vingilot writes "CNN reports that Christopher Tolkien has edited and will release a new book by his father. From the article: 'Christopher Tolkien has spent the past 30 years working on "The Children of Hurin," an epic tale his father began in 1918 and later abandoned. Excerpts of "The Children of Hurin," which includes the elves and dwarfs of Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings" and other works, have been published before.'"

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  1. Well! I stand corrected. by koreth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess outrageously long copyright terms really do encourage artists to produce more work after they die.

    1. Re:Well! I stand corrected. by Quaoar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope so...I can't wait for Tupac's new album in 2080!

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    2. Re:Well! I stand corrected. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's almost like you're saying Chris Tolkien is only pimping incomplete scraps of his fathers work to make a cheap buck for himself. If that were true, you'd expect him to have written a bunch more books with "Tolkien" in really big print on the back, in an attempt to fool the ignorant into buying what amounts to extremely amaturish fanfict.

      (Special place in hell reserved for Chris Tolkien and Frank Herbert Jr.)

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    3. Re:Well! I stand corrected. by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, he added on to the joke by providing a more concrete example that a specific group of people could relate to, therefore making it funny!

      Don't be an asshat.

    4. Re:Well! I stand corrected. by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree 100% as far as Frank Herbert Jr. There should be a special space in hell reserved for people like him. For people who shit on everything their fathers built.

      Also, It is also quite obvious that Herbert Jr has written his books. They are written using the current modern American literature style which is beaten into kids in college. I still remember by own brush up with this experience with horror 15+ years later. It is the same style as used by Terry Brooks, Stephen Donaldson and most of the modern American Sci Fi/Fantasy writers. There are lots of repeats and a single idea is reiterated at least 3-4 times to ensure that the dumb reader gets it. The vocabulary is a fraction of the vocabulary of most of the older generation like Herbert Sr, Zelazny, Le Guin, Bradbury (in fact from the old generation - everybody but Azimov). The overall lexical construction is quite primitive as well. It is quite obvious who wrote these books.

      As far as Chris Tolkien the situation is not so straightforward. He published at least one clearly and purely J.R.R. Tolkien Book - the Silmarilion. That was J.R.R. Tolkien all the way and if not for Chris Tolkien, it would have failed to see the light of day (it was published postmortem). The Unifinished Tales seem to be what junior sells them for - drafts, notes and unfinished tales. Looking at the style and vocabulary they also seem to be a J.R.R. Tolkien work, just quite what it says on the tin - unfinished.

      I have no idea about this new book, but I hope that he does not join Hurbert junior in that circle of hell. He has done not that bad so far. He has shown some his dad's dirty laundry (stuff j.r.r. never intended to be published) but he has not shit on his grave just yet (or I missed that one in the bookshop).

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  2. Re:Greedy Children by Bryansix · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Tolkein obviously didn't want this book published. Now his greedy kid is capitalizing on his fathers name just to make some cash and hurt Tolkein's reputation by publishing a book not up to his usual quality.
    That's why he spent 30 years working on it right?
  3. Balrogs? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I speak for all true Tolkien fans when I say; This book will give the conclusive, irrefutable evidence that Balrog's indeed have wings. Namely, there will be one with wings on the cover.

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  4. Legolas Atreides by savi · · Score: 5, Funny

    At last, the true secrets of the Bene Gesserit line of Noldor will be revealed! I LOVE pre-quels!

  5. Re:Greedy Children by bunions · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look, the guy chose to die rather than have it published. I don't see how anyone could send a clearer signal, sheesh.

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  6. expected criticism by acvh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and yes, Chris Tolkien has fed off the teat of his late father's creativity for a long time now. still, the literary joy of reading The Silmarillion, The Narn i Hin Hurun, The Lay of Leithian, and more, far outweighs whatever motives young Tolkien may have in editing and publishing these many works.

    Prof. Tolkien, while living, tried and failed to publish the Silmarillion. The other works were never even close to publishable. yet he often talked and wrote of these tales having a life of their own, and I don't think he would object to their being shared with millions of fans.

    I, for one, am grateful for the opportunity to have read of the First and Second ages of Tolkien's world.

    1. Re:expected criticism by professorfalcon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nicomachus published his father's (Aristotle's) notes into a book, Nicomachean Ethics, that is part of the foundation of the western world.

  7. Trilogy by the_tsi · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the first part of a trilogy, actually. Chris Tolkien is co-writing them with Kevin J. Anderson, who is widely regarded as the finest science fiction and fantasy author in the history of either genre.

    1. Re:Trilogy by kubrick · · Score: 5, Funny

      with Kevin J. Anderson, who is widely regarded as the finest science fiction and fantasy author in the history of either genre.

      Thanks for letting us know, Kevin.

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  8. Re:I felt a tremor in the force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Disturbance, not tremor, you fucking philistine!

  9. name sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    wasnt Christopher Tolkien in that pulp fiction movie?

    "he hid that book up his ass for 30 years."

  10. Re:Greedy Children by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Now his greedy kid is capitalizing on his fathers name just to make some cash and hurt Tolkein's reputation by publishing a book not up to his usual quality.

    Uh, we're not talking about a snot-nosed punk trying to make a quick buck. The guy's eighty years old and has dedicated much of his life to his father's literary legacy, trying to make sense of his notes and half-finished stories (see the Silmarillion.) Whether his efforts have literary merit is one thing-- I personally think a dead author's notes and partial works should be buried with him-- but he's hardly trying to "make some cash."

  11. Re:Greedy Children by gbobeck · · Score: 5, Funny
    I don't see how anyone could send a clearer signal, sheesh.

    He could have engaged in spontaneous human combustion while holding the original manuscript.
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  12. Re:Greedy Children by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The time you take to complete a job doesn't necessarily correlate to the quality of the job done.

    No, but it does give some indication of motive. If I'm looking to make a quick buck, I sure don't spend 30 years turning it into a rather slow buck.

  13. Re:Bag It by endemoniada · · Score: 5, Funny

    "...the CG was obvious..."

    As opposed to all those movies starring REAL balrogs and cave trolls?

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  14. Re:Just a money grab? by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    CJRT is "somewhat of a Tolkien scholar". The Pope is "a well-known Catholic". The Sun is "a nearby star". Michael Moore "is not entirely pleased with the Bush administration". Slashdot "occasionally posts dupes"....

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  15. Have the critics here actually *read* Tolkien? by big-magic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are a lots of people here bashing the Tolkien works that were released after J.R.R death. Have any of you actually looked any of these books? Given that most of these books are very dense and very scholarly works, it's highly doubtful that Christopher Tolkien edited them just to make a quick buck. The intended audience for these books was just too small for that.

    When J.R.R died, he left literally thousands of pages of unpublished pages, many that he had been working on for decades. It would have been a real shame for this stuff to vanish forever. And Christopher Tolkien's contribution is usually just editing. He is generally very careful to separate his father's words from his commentary (usually with a different font).

  16. Tearing arms off and beating people to death it? by sir_montag · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Personally, any epic tale that has the main character tearing someone's arm off and beating them to death with it has got some serious literary merit in my book!

    The story really does have a lot going for it, once you get past the language barrier - Old English really does read a lot more like German than modern English. It was one of the coolest books I'd ever read - full of adventure with tons of gruesome details (like the whole 'tearing someone's arm off and beating them to death with it' bit) that you'd never seen in any other piece of classical literature aside from Dante's Inferno.

    The end kind of sucked, as I recall, but as far as adventure and ass-kicking go, Beowulf was one of the best, if not *the* best.

  17. Re:Greedy Children by DrJimbo · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've only read the Silmarilion, ... However sometime after that, the seemingly endless stream of variant versions of the same stories seems to have crossed over the line of honouring his legacy to ruthlessly exploiting, and diluting, it.
    I realize this is Slashdot and we have a glorious history here of commenting on articles without reading them but I must ask you how you can reach the conclusion that the volumes that followed the Silmarillion were exploitative and a dilution of the earlier works when you haven't even read them?

    I've read most, but not all, of the volumes of Christopher Tolkien's History of Middle Earth and I've enjoyed them greatly. I felt no hint of exploitation or dilution. I'm very grateful to Christopher for taking the time and effort (and flack) to make all these parts of his father's work available to the rest of us.

    If you are interested in exploring these other works, you might want to start with "Unfinished Tales" which provides a nice bridge between what happened in the Lord of the Rings and the larger world of the Silmarillion.

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  18. A Tolkien Scholar on The Children of Hurin by InklingBooks · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here is the blog of Michael Drout, the English professor who discovered Tolkien's Beowulf translation. His latest post comments on The Children of Hurin.

    Wormtalk

    And here's what he says:

    HarperCollins is going to be publishing Tolkien's Children of Húrin as a stand-alone volume next year. According to the press release (which I haven't been able to find on line), the text was created by Christopher Tolkien's painstaking editing together of Tolkien's many drafts. The book will include a new map by Christopher Tolkien and a jacket and color paintings by Alan Lee.

    He mentions several previously published versions of the tale and points out: "From the press release, it seems as if these variants will be stitched into a coherent whole in the same the way that Christopher Tolkien brought together disparate texts to create the 1977 The Silmarillion."

    Prof. Drout is also the editor of The J. R. R. Tolkien Encyclopedia, which due out this October. It's a scholarly reference, which must explain the $199.95 price tag on Amazon. (Maybe you can get your public or school library to get a copy.) Since I contributed several articles, I'm hoping all contributors get free copies.

    --Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien (The only book-length, day-by-day chronology of LOTR.)