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Zero-Day IE Exploit In the Wild

Eric Sites writes to tell us that a new zero-day IE exploit has been found in the wild. It looks to be a bug in VML in IE. The Sunbelt blog notes, "This exploit can be mitigated by turning off Javascripting."

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  1. No surprise by Cold_Lestat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are so many of these Zero Day exploits popping up that I'm just not surprised (or that interested) anymore. One thing i can't get over is how this is still happening? The ammount of stigma now attached to IE has really damaged the product. If they are wise (Personal Opinion) I would scrap the entire codebase of IE and start with an entireley new one for VISTA and change the name so the product gets a new start at life. I don't know, call it Vic the Vista internet client (or Voom sounds better). I switched to firefox quite a while ago, before that, Mozilla, before that Opera and what the hey i even think i was using Netscape before IE and have never looked back. Sorry IE ;).

  2. easier solution by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Sunbelt blog notes, "This exploit can be mitigated by turning off Javascripting."

    It can also be mitigated by using firefox.

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    1. Re:easier solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      hmm, you are pretty wrong when saying IE is slow... at least on Windows
        it beats the hell out of Mozzila/etco at rendering and javascript etc.
        don't just assume Mozzila is better because is open source and such...
        yes, IE has bugs, but so what? Have you heard of workarounds?
        and Mozilla has plenty of bugs too

  3. Re:Well yeah by Scoria · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You shouldn't blame the language. Blame their implementation of that language.

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  4. Let's help users move away from IE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do people still use IE? It's been shown time and time and time and time and time again that it's just not a suitable browser to expose to the dangers of the Internet. And it's not like people don't have alternatives; they do! Opera is free and available on most platforms. Firefox is free and available on most platforms. Seamonkey is free and available on most platforms.

    It's rare these days to find a public site that depends only on IE. Most banking sites, which were really the only holdovers, have realized that Firefox support is necessary.

    The only reason I can think of is ignorance. But even then, most people likely know somebody who could help them install Firefox or Opera for the first time. Maybe each one of us should pledge to tell one other person who isn't aware of the alternatives about them. Make a pact with that person: if they are pleased with their new browser, or it keeps their Windows system free of malware, have them tell one new person about Firefox or Opera.

    Very rapidly, many people will be able to find out about the alternatives, and it'll benefit us all. Us geeks won't have to help relatives and friends with their malware-infested systems. Those users won't have to ask us to help them, or in the worst case, call the Geek Squad or otherwise bring theirs systems in for expensive and inconvenient "decontaminations" (often performed by fools). Plus the private data of those users is far more safe. In short, we all benefit.

    1. Re:Let's help users move away from IE. by Z34107 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People start with IE because it's the Windows default.

      People stay with IE either becasue:

      • They don't care
      • They like it

      If they don't care, why should we? It's their computer that they're leaving vulnerable, after all. Besides, Firefox is starting to lose it's most difinitive advantage over IE - as it's popularity is increasing, so is the number of security vulnerabilities found, rivaling and even surpassing IE month to month.

      Any differences in "speed" are pretty much a wash, too. Internet Explorer definitely starts faster, but it's integrated with the shell. Firefox uses an ungodly amount of memory and leaks it like a sieve. IE7 waits until it has the page 99% rendered before actually drawing it; Firefox will start drawing immediately, piece-by-piece as the site's downloaded. (Both, in total, seem to take the same amount of time.) ActiveX is known for being full of holes, but at least they try to sandbox it - Firefox extentions just blindly run native code.

      Point is that as the differences between the browsers are diminishing - Firefox has forced IE to innovate and comply with standards and more and more pages are designed for Firefox and non-IE browsers. But, the security differences between the two are diminishing, and IE7s interface is cleaner and snappier now, IMHO.

      Save the digivangelism for something more important than "Firefox isn't Microsoft." In Vista especially, IE is next to bulletproof - a reworked Windows kernel runs it within a virtual machine of sorts - and IE+Aero Glass has a much cleaner and prettyfuler interface. Use your browser of choice, but with alternatives and a little healthy competition forcing some new life into the browser world, there's fewer reasons to pick one over the other.

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    2. Re:Let's help users move away from IE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because their vulnerable computer, once part of a botnet, can be used to help attack our computers.

      why should we get our friends to fix the brakes on their, car? afterall, it's their car, right?

  5. Re:No, you need to blame Javascript too. by homerjfong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't be silly. The problem is implementation, not the language itself. The language was designed to do things like open windows, add popups, and manipulate strings. The reason there are security holes is that it was implemented as a fully-priveleged com service, as was IE (via shdowvw). Basically the problem is that Javascript in IE can do anything that IE can do, and that IE can do just about anything, including installing software and monkeying around with files. It's possible to implement IE and Javascript in sandboxes just like you describe java. That's why (for the most part) Firefox is ok. It's only when FFX uses some core windows libraries (like WMF) that it gets into trouble. Now: it should be said that this isn't. strictly speaking, Microsoft's fault. They built a very open. flexible system, which was subsequently exploited by a lot of people who want to do you harm. Nevertheless, in the modern internet environment, they should really lock down what they're doing.

  6. Re:No, you need to blame Javascript too. by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, it stems from the fact that they tied explorer into IE.

    They wouldn't have been damned if they didn't, they just would have had to compete on merits instead of pushing product.
    ActiveX is what really kicked Netscapes ass because that is what the masses liked, not IE's implementation of JS.

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  7. Re:No, you need to blame Javascript too. by joe90 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't you mean switched off and encased in a few cubic meters of concrete?

    There is no such thing as "100% secure".

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  8. Re:No, you need to blame Javascript too. by porl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    actually, what 'kicked netscape's ass' is the fact that you didn't *need* to download netscape... you already had a browser that the majority of other people used, so why download another one? by the way, i despise the fact that this was done by microsoft, in case you think i was arguing in favour of ie...

  9. Re:My two cents... by shird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You do realise that would result in *less* security? The 'Trusted Sites' zone has far less security restrictions that the 'Internet' zone.

    What you propose would require people to add the likes of Slashdot and Hotmail to the 'Trusted Sites' zone to function correctly. This effectively gives such sites far more access than you would probably like, much more than without playing with your 'zones' at all.

    thats a daft proposal.

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  10. Re:No, you need to blame Javascript too. by masklinn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ActiveX is what really kicked Netscapes ass because that is what the masses liked, not IE's implementation of JS.

    Uh, no, what "kicked Netscape's ass" is that

    • With IE on your box, you didn't have to download netscape in the first place
    • Netscape 4.7 was a slow ugly, buggy, crash-prone piece of shit
    • Websites looked better in IE.

    In a word, what killed netscape is that MSIE was, at the time, a much better browser than Navigator

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  11. Re:Zonk? Are you kidding me? by bytesex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's Zonk's way to correct his spelling mistakes, you see. First he posts, then he dupes, but the second time the spelling mistakes are gone.

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