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How a Wiring Rack Should Look

Julie Jacobson writes, "It's so much fun to deride some of the worst home wiring jobs in existence. But once in awhile, we should salute some of the cleanest, most perfectly labeled cabling jobs in U.S. homes. At the recent CEDIA Expo, the association for home-technology integrators handed out awards for the Best Dressed Systems, each featuring miles of cable, hundreds of connectors, tons of steel, and a clean aesthetic that could make the most finicky designer swoon. Show them to your own installer for inspiration."

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  1. Ahh... messy racks... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Found an old picture of one of the messiest racks I have ever seen. Personally I think a messy NOC should be a punishable offense. I can't tell you how many times some stupid blip in the system is caused by a dangling wire with so much other wiring hanging on it that it gets pulled from the panel. Nothing like a 4am pager going off, coming into work and finding the root cause of the problem is the idiots that wired the rack. Kudos to those who do it right.

    1. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by jeeves_moss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      FINALY!!! Someone actuly relizes that guys like me who do the "grunt" work in the basement actuly know what they're doing. I've gone into COUNTLESS messy racks, rooms, and basements to fix the problems. My fav. tool is a large pair of limbing nippers. I usaly start where the wire dropps out of the celing, then just rip everything out. I HATE a mess, and 9 times out of 10 it's just easier to rebuild it than it is to patch it.

    2. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 4, Informative

      The site is down already. http://www.talkaboutcedia.com.nyud.net:8090/articl e/10397/ should get you there until it's back up.

    3. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting
      CAT5 is the debbil. Krone Hi-Band 25's is what we're using to the wall (grocery retail chain). Great stuff. Nothing worse than two or three hundred CAT5 cables coming out of a rack.

      Old story -- Long time ago a Vax 785 / RS232x9600 installation in Tasmania had a problem with perfect crosstalk -- one VT220 terminal was displaying & accepting keypresses identical to the one on a desk near it, with the latter terminal being unplugged from the computer. Turned out the cables were bound together neatly along their entire length, and the bits just jumped across inductively.

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    4. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by protohiro1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      wait a minute...these are HOME installation? Who needs 48U of rackspace and that much cable in their HOME?

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    5. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >Who needs 48U of rackspace and that much cable in their HOME?

      I have half that much rack gear and probably a quarter mile of audio cable, just in my modest
      home recording studio. Except for my piano, I'm sure that patchbay cabling has been my largest single expense.

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    6. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by soft_guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who needs 48U of rackspace and that much cable in their HOME?

      Maniacs.

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    7. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by binaryspiral · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No doubt, jeeves. I've been there, done that.

      In a collocation facility that used to allow customer to rack their own gear... yeah, how ever bad the rack looks in your imagination at this point - double that. Now we strongly suggest they allow us to do it the first time, or we shut them down and do it over - and it typically takes about 150% more time.

      I can appreciate the neat and clean wiring/racking job - for a full 48u rack with 1U servers and network gear- expect about 15-25 hours of labor to get all the systems installed and wired. This is assuming redundant power, redundant network, KVM, and management connections.

      Or you could just let the customer throw it in, and they'll have it plugged in before lunch time. But it'll look like crap, have hotspots, crimped wires and fiber, overloaded PDUs, and nothing labeled.

      Then they expect it to stay up and running for 3-5 years like that.

    8. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by Laserwulf · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here.

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    9. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      What type of install is that?

      I'm no expert, but I believe that would be a cluster fuck.

    10. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by smcn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Have you ever noticed, anybody who has less wires running through their home than you is a newbie, and anyone who has more wires is a maniac?

    11. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by Fishstick · · Score: 2, Funny

      heh...

      <georgecarlin>Have you ever noticed, anybody who drives slower than you is a moron, and anyone who drives faster is a maniac?</georgecarlin>

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    12. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Stay anonymous. You'll do better that way.

      rick

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    13. Re:Ahh... messy racks... by radtea · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Back in the day I worked in a lab where the network cabling ran through the electronics shop, and part of the network was RG-58U co-ax, which is was used heavily in those days for nuclear instruments. There was a coil of cable with a BNC straight-through hanging on the rack beside all the other spare cable. Some grad student (it might even have been me) scrounged the connector for his apparatus, not knowing that it was part of the network. It took over a day to figure out why a couple of machines were suddenly incommunicado.

      On the other hand, the "neat" installation examples in the article are a little too cable-tied for my taste. The first time something goes bad or needs to be changed there's going to be a lot of cutting and re-tieing going on. A few ties as required is good. More is not better.

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  2. nyud mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  3. forgive me if this is a dumb question by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but can a linksys wireless router actually work inside of a steel cabinet?

    1. Re:forgive me if this is a dumb question by spyinnzus · · Score: 2, Informative

      the principles of faraday cages tell us that you can't send signals out of or into a mathematically closed surface of conductors. The box isn't fully closed and isn't made of a perfect conductor, but it should kill 90+% of the signal I'd guess.

    2. Re:forgive me if this is a dumb question by NaDrew · · Score: 3, Funny
      [offtopic]
      If you know that "begs the question" doesn't mean "raises the question", then why didn't you just say "raises the question"? Wouldn't that have been a lot simpler then posting a footnote?
      Because I actually used "begs the question" in its proper meaning, i.e. a circular argument. The post I responded to asked whether Linksys wireless routers would work inside a metal box; this begs the question (assumes without evidence) that the Linksys wireless router works at all.
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    3. Re:forgive me if this is a dumb question by Cramer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Only if it's GROUNDED. You can transmit OUT all you want. No signal will be able to get back IN, however. Anyway, it's not even remotely a properly sealed faraday cage... there's holes in it for the cables. And the door doesn't have metal mesh RF shields. Even a very small crack will leak RF -- we had to put them inside the systems we used to sell to pass UL/FCC requirements.

    4. Re:forgive me if this is a dumb question by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative
      Polarisation of the radio waves makes it harder for clients to connect to the AP that is sitting at a wierd angle.
      The problem with polarization is that you can't say for sure which way the mobile antenna will be pointing, so you can't make any blanket pronouncements about what constitutes "ideal orientation" for all occasions. PCMCIA wireless adapters have the antenna horizontal. Many integrated laptop wireless cards mount the antenna vertical in the LCD housing. The worst polarization for vertical receiver is a horizontal transmitter, and vice-versa. Placing the base station antennas at 45 degree angles from horizontal, and 90 degrees relative to each other gives you the greatest possible coverage of potential polarities of mobile antennas. You're unlikely to exactly match the polarity of the mobile (best), but you're also unlikely to end up with them at 90 degrees to one another (worst).
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    5. Re:forgive me if this is a dumb question by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny
      I have been using WRT routers for many different things, including VoIP relays, bandwidth management, ADSL router/firewall etc.

      Those are some versatile little boxes, once you get right of the factory provided firmware.
      Or you can keep it and they make geeky little paperweights!
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  4. Neatness is good, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... there is such a thing as carrying it too far. I'm reminded of the tale of the junior sysadmin who proudly showed the senior sysadmin the cabinet he'd just wired up. Very neat, very pretty.

    The senior sysadmin looked at it thoughtfully, then flipped a single switch. Every server in the cabinet went down. Yup: every server had its entire power source coming from a single rail, instead of having the two redundant inputs coming from different rails.

    Where I work, every cable to every server in the machine room is labelled at both ends. The patch panels are also labelled with the address of the other end of the cable. Makes troubleshooting network problems a lot simpler (and that's important when you're talking over 200 servers on the floor ...)

    1. Re:Neatness is good, but ... by AsbestosRush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhh... "cutting out the patch panel" causes a massive amount of headaches when dealing with building wiring. Moving connections around is *much* easier with a patch panel than hoping that the wire coming out of the wall is long enough to get to the bottom of the rack. This is just one example of why it's nice to have patch panels.

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    2. Re:Neatness is good, but ... by notaspunkymonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I spent some time working at a UK Gov site - their patching was so bad that when we were due to tidy it all up - they sent one of their Health and Safety bods down to look at the working environment and he dictated that no 1 person was to be in the room on their own at any 1 time.. at all points there had to be 2 of us in there... not sure if it was because of the danger of electricution (which was high) or the fact that you could get tangled up in the cat5 and never escape.

  5. Nice wiring is great and all by pcgamez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A super-neat wiring rack is great, if you don't need to get to the wires often. If you need to rearrange wiring often (for whatever reason), there is no point in making it look great (though a certain level of neatness is required for optimum efficiency).

    1. Re:Nice wiring is great and all by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's why they invented PATCH PANELS - the wiring coming into/out of the rack is bundled, and goes to the patch panel - NEVER to an item in the rack - in fact, even wiring intra rack goes via a panel

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  6. Cheap does it. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Back in the days when RS-232C ruled, I was in charge of wiring, and our department always made fun of another department's propensity at overspending and buying expensive gadgets.

    When they wired their mainframe, they spent about $2000 for a bunch of bix panels.

    When it was my turn to do the same job, I took $5.00 and went to the hardware store, I picked up a 1ft by 4fr plywood scrap and bought a box of finishing nails and brought that in the office (the canadian head-office of a fortune 500 company, btw) and started hammering away neat rows of nails to which I soldered wires from a 100 pair cable we ran between two floors.

    On hearing the hammering, the boss of the other department (who happenned to pass by by chance) came to have a peek, and he sees me hammering and soldering and asks me "what are you doing???"

    - I'm doing a patchboard for the serial lines.

    - Why don't you use a BIX board like we did in the plant?

    - Because yours cost $2000 and mine only $5.00.

    He left without saying a word.

    1. Re:Cheap does it. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 5, Informative
      And then it caused impedance issues which you didn't even know existed!
      But it worked as far as you know, right?
      I mean, all those equations and stuff don't matter, it's just wires. If they connect then everything is fine. Did you ever wonder though, why does an EE degree take 4 years to get when you can just hammer some nails?
      If you have had a EE degree, you would know that RS-232c is +/-12 volts, and at that time (20 years ago), the maximum speed the mainframe could work at was 9600 baud, so that's 104 microseconds per cycle, worst case.

      So no, it did not have any impedance issues.

      And yes, it worked fine, and did so for the next 15 years.

  7. One of my favorite messy racks by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is a picture of a site in Dallas, TX. This picture belongs to a HUGE telecom company. A baby bell if you will. ;) How they maintain this I will never know. http://www.waystupid.com/item-378.htm What is more amazing is that after several attempts by staffers, the management refuses to let people clean this up. And they show this to prospective customers on a daily basis!!!

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    1. Re:One of my favorite messy racks by jnaujok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, if this is a telecom, then I can tell you exactly who is to blame for this mess, your favorite Uncle, Sam.

      Having worked for a telecom (one that might just have had the biggest bankruptcy in history), I went to one of their main voice switching centers and was shown an entire room that looked like this. When I asked why in the world we had an entire room that was just cable loops that went from a DEMUX board to a MUX board, he told me that federal law requires them to break out every signal that travels through the data center down to the DS1 level (that's about 25 phone lines) so that the FBI can still use their 1950's based equipment to tap the phone lines.

      So, instead of just packet sniffing on the 20 OC-192 lines coming in and out of the main switch, they had to break that down into nearly one million DS1 ports in a room that wasn't used for any other purpose than to break down phone lines to DS1.

      With one million lines of cabling being demuxed down from OC-192 to OC-12 and then down to DS-3 and then DS-1, that room was just awash in yellow cable (they also used yellow for some reason, don't ask me why). I remember one bundle coming out of the room that was about two feet around of solid cable.

      Mind you, when the phone techs actually tested the line they just went to a PC and snagged the packets off the OC-192 stream, and played them through the sound card. In order to "test line quality" of course.

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  8. Neat != Usable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'd actually argue that although some of the wire racks pictured look nice they're unusable - you'd have to snip all of those zip-ties to trace a cable. If letting the cable lie in the wire management isn't good enough Velcro would be better, and less likely to be over tightened to the point of pulling the cat5 twists out of spec.

    In our computer room I just provide plenty of wire management, a wide assortment of cable lengths, and a picture of the wedgie I gave the last admin who kludged something 'for testing' and left it that way for months.

    1. Re:Neat != Usable by curtlewis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly, you need to be able to get to any cable. Zip ties are single use. Velcro rip ties, while more expensive, are reusuable.

      And talk about overkill on that one 24 port switch or whatever it was. They used at least 24 zip ties, one for each cable and some doubles. Don't you think one every 2-4 would have done just as good a job? Instead, they completely locked down the cable making any troubleshooting a nightmare. Three well placed ripties would do a fine job, keep it orderly AND maintainable. Especially if the ties were long enough to have additional room for growth.

    2. Re:Neat != Usable by akahige · · Score: 4, Informative

      What you fail to grasp -- along with everyone else who's posted in the thread so far, if the comments are any judge -- is that these are AV gear racks, NOT computer/network/phone racks.

      CEDIA == Custom Electronic Design and Installation Association. These people install home theatres, integrated audio systems, etc.

    3. Re:Neat != Usable by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is hard sometimes to make service loops look neat, but they're absolutely worth any clutter they cause.

      Of course, with a little creativity it's often possible to bundle everything up so that one or two snips releases plenty of extra length.

      My "favorite" though is people who pull fibre cables "nice and tight" then zip them within an inch of their lives while the equipment is warm. As soon as it's powered off for a few hours, fibres start breaking. It sure looks pretty until you have to cut a zillion ties to do anything.

  9. Re:Site's down and only 3 comments? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Also, the editor put an incorrect link in."

    Guess he got his wires crossed ...

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  11. Someone had to say it by hellfire · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd like to be a judge on that panel. I'd love to give out awards for the best rack.

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  12. I'm in trouble now. by Sometimes_Rational · · Score: 5, Funny

    While viewing the article, my wife overheard me saying, "Ooh, nice rack on that one.

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    1. Re:I'm in trouble now. by mdhoover · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heh, best story I have comes from Comdex/Interop.

      Wandering around away from my display (armed with booty to trade, mugs for penguins etc) I came across 2 middle aged IT geeks checking out some glorious powdercoated, properly cooled, neatly wired and well laid out rack equipment on display.

      As they were tinkering with the offerings one was heard to pronounce "what a great rack, wouldn't you love one in your home".

      At this point the poor unsuspecting geek was set upon by one of the very well endowed skimpily clad models hired to parade around and lure in the punters, who promptly slapped him across the face and berated the poor confused fellow (who had that mix of deer in the headlights and WHA!! look on his face) for being a "misogynist pig" etc etc.

      Took 2 hours for my sides to stop hurting...

  13. You know what is missing? by ryanhos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You want to know what I didn't see in a single one of those "neat & tidy" wiring photos? I didn't see a single service loop. Sure, anybody can wire-tie the heck out of something and make it look nice and neat on project completion day. Hell, I used to produce racks of similar tidiness when I was 19, working for a regional communications installer doing hospital and school networks. But it takes a real artisan to make something look that neat AND design it to stand up to five years of corporate changes and rearrangements. Just wait until one of your wires has to move from the top of the rack (near the entry point) to the bottom of the rack.

    I think it was a previous comment that wrote: "Neat != Usable" That's so true. (Or Neat !== Usable for you PHP-tards)

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  14. The Obsessive and Aging by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You know, those with obsessive compulsive disorder can get really really bad about it... or get over it.

    I didn't Read either of TFA, because they seem to be slashdotted at the moment.

    However, after years and years of living, I can tell you that "if a job is worth doing, it is worth doing well" is just not true. Sometimes doing a job "good enough" is more than enough. It might get torn down next week. If you wash the windows "OK", that is probably good enough, they'll be dirty again soon enough.

    It all depends on what you are doing. Building a house? Do it well. Wiring a computer cabinet? Pfft - make it good enought for a few years. It will change. RS-232, thin-wire, thick-wire, 10BaseT, Cat 3, Cat 5, Cat 5e... Fibre... whatever.

    If you can do a 90% job for half the cost you will have enough left over to do another 90% job of something twice as good 4 years from now.

    Maybe. YMMV.

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  15. he mentioned RS232 by vlad_petric · · Score: 4, Informative

    I honestly don't think that it was much of a problem for RS232 communication (i.e. high-voltage, relatively low frequency).

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  16. Looks good ONCE, and only once. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To a limited extent, I agree.

    Neatness is one thing, but those examples just look like an advertising photo for nylon wire ties. I mean, they look nice now, but what happens when you need to move one of those connections around, say from one port to another?

    You'd have to cut 50 different ties, and all the wires are cut to such precise lengths, you'd probably end up having to splice some sort of nasty extender in there (adding a significant insertion loss due to the connectors or splice). It would be a total mess. Having everything wired in drum-tight may look nice, but it's a bitch later on. Something that has more "drip loops" before all the wires get bundled up into single harnesses may not look quite as polished initially, but it's far easier to work on down the road.

    I've worked on audio systems like this, and it always strikes me as something that you'd do if you were a contractor working on a one-shot job, something where you want to impress the client and justify your fee, with no real thought to maintenance later.

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    1. Re:Looks good ONCE, and only once. by iamlucky13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's exactly what I was thinking while looking at those pictures.

      Half of the purpose of having neat wiring is maintainability (in addition to aesthetics, air flow, and just plain keeping crap out of the way of other things). That setup is almost as unmaintainable as a wall draped in spaghetti. I at least hope they either have good documentation kept up to date to match the small fortune and abundant time they spent on zip-ties or else have both ends of their cables labeled so they know which cable to yank once they do cut all those zip ties, because you aren't going to trace those out by hand.

      I guess if your system is perfect and you have no need to ever replace equipment or expand, this is fine, but for the rest of us, give us some service loops and removable wire clips.

    2. Re:Looks good ONCE, and only once. by chazwurth · · Score: 4, Informative

      You'd have to cut 50 different ties...

      Indeed. Where I work, we use velcro ties to solve this problem. They can still be a pain in the ass, but it's a lot easier than cutting and re-tying every time you need to move a cable.

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    3. Re:Looks good ONCE, and only once. by putaro · · Score: 2, Funny

      We had that situation. One of our managers had set up a rack and he had gone through and cable tied everything down just so. The rack didn't need to be changed very often but finally there was a day when something needed to be replaced. One of the sys admins who worked for him (who was a close friend with him) walked over to his desk after she had fixed things and dropped a double handful of cut-off cable ties onto it.

    4. Re:Looks good ONCE, and only once. by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Neatness is one thing, but those examples just look like an advertising photo for nylon wire ties. I mean, they look nice now, but what happens when you need to move one of those connections around, say from one port to another?
      You don't - that's the back of the rack you're looking at, not the front of the patch-panel...

      (And if you do need to change a subrack for something different, you pretty much have to replace all the cabling anyway.)

      Having said that, those pics look like nothing more than (what used to be) standard telco cabling practices. We used to do that, day in, day out, with 100/200 pr cotton-braided cable - and we didn't have zip-ties, we did block-lacing. Hell, if I'd done work as sloppy as some of that 20+ years ago when I was an apprentice, I would have been failed!

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  17. Only on Slashdot... by lullabud · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...Can one create a duplicate within the same submission.

  18. EE can't let ignorance go unpunished! by donscarletti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ha Ha, impedance in a low bandwidth, 40 year old communications protocol going a few metres?

    Sounds like the electrical engineering equivalent to a computer scientist berating Aunt Tillie for using a spreadsheet to calculate her finances because of "costly floating point operations".

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    1. Re:EE can't let ignorance go unpunished! by dthree · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe he works for monster cable writing all their scientific marketing BS.

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  19. As much as I appreciate a good education... by patio11 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... sometimes it has a tendency to get to your head. You didn't get your EE degree for hammering some nails to string RS-232C, any more than a doctor gets their degree to treat a common cold in a healthy 8-year old. In the same fashion, I didn't get my CS degree to write Swing UIs. Did our educations tangentially cover these things? Yep, they did, but they're a) not our core competencies and b) can be done by someone who is literate and capable of following a simple single sheet of instructions.

    Why are our degrees important? Well, one thing they let us do is properly identify edge cases. A self taught programmer implementing a Swing UI with a sorted combobox might decide to use a bubblesort on it, which would work fine through testing right until it got to a customer who put a couple hundred items in it, when the application would just start to unexpectedly hang. The doctor hopefully catches that 1 kid out of 10,000 who doesn't actually have the cold and needs treatment within the next 48 hours to save his life. And you, as an electrical engineer, identify when impedence would be an issue.

    Ah, but here's the rub: edge cases are edge cases for a reason, and purported experts who cry wolf regarding the edge cases get ignored by a public which sees solutions which work perfectly for 2.5% of the price. And, as several folks have pointed out, you're crying wolf here. The reason the solution appears to work isn't because the grandparent was ignorant of impedence, its because its just physically impossible for that to be a problem for that device.

    Or, as I learned in Engineering school (in tech writing, of all places): "You're going to graduate with a degree from one of the best schools in the country, and you'll be working your first job with tech-school grads who have 15 years of experience, and in your first two weeks one of them is going to say something you learned in school is wrong. You might disagree, perhaps vehemently. But before you voice your disagreement, figure out exactly why he thinks his way will work, because odds are it will. Remember: he's worked there for 15 years and hasn't blown it yet, or he wouldn't still be there."

  20. This article sponsored by. . . by jafac · · Score: 2, Funny


    This article sponsored by; ZipCo International.
    Manufacturers of the worlds most reliable and most costly zip-ties!
    Organize your wiring cabinet today! You can never use enough zip-ties!

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  21. Broadcast TV by fishbowl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your average network TV station has wiring that puts any telecomm to shame. I've seen patchbays just in control rooms that have far more going on than anything in the photos on the CEDIA website. That stuff *has* to be organized. Just the labelling systems are amazing, let alone the craftsmanship involved in wiring them.

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    1. Re:Broadcast TV by littlerubberfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I have done time in TV studios. You seem to have seen more of it then I. They are even worse then sound studios, because there is fibre, cat5, and related for IP stuff. I remember seeing bundles of BNC carrying composite, SDI, those triplicate YCbCr packs, and some other weird stuff. Then those snakes that combined 50 cables carrying everything from audio to teleprompter feed.

      The sound studios aren't as bad, it is more a question of volume. Once everything is at +4 dBV, all is well. The small studio I used to work in had a 144 point bantam bay in 'studio a', and it got fairly complicated sometimes.

      The thing that shocks me though are the large multi-operator post audio consoles, with a half dozen 56 bundle MADI inputs, video sync, and feeds to ADR rooms. Intimidating.

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  22. Re:The Obsessive and Aging by lullabud · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You're totally right. That's something I've learned at my new job. I was always trying to do things perfectly, and I realized that it took too long to do them as well as I wanted, and even then they wouldn't be *perfect*. I thought back to my metals class when my teacher talked about the level of accuracy which is necessary for particular jobs, and how you wouldn't build a house while measuring lengths in micrometers just as you wouldn't build an engine while measuring in inches. (I forget the name of the principle, I was in Jr. High.)

    What really drove that point home was when somebody plugged an ethernet switch into itself a few weeks after I'd done a moderately good wiring job in our closet and I had to tear it all out because I couldn't even get to our management console on the switch to see which port was causing the traffic storm. (Netgear FSM750S if you want to know.) So, just as many people had pointed out, my zip-tied bundle of cables did me no good and they are now hanging off the side of the switch in a mess, no longer matched up to the numbers on the patch panel.

    I guess it really does matter what kind of job you're doing... If you're not going to be changing anything, zip tying it all up might make sense. They staple AC wires inside the walls of houses, so I'm sure we can find an instance where zipping up cables would be appropriate. For me though, I'll take velcro and a slight mess.

  23. With all due modesty... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... I feel I am the worst wiring technician on the planet. All I have to do is look at a cable to get it tangled!

    1. Re:With all due modesty... by sir_montag · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, with the whole 'twisted pair' (well, any twisted format which is most electrical cables), cables do tend to tangled. Did you think that it was voodoo?

  24. you expect the site to stay up... by LordEd · · Score: 2, Funny

    when the article is asking us to go look at some nice racks?

  25. Lets not be silly... by LordEd · · Score: 2, Funny
    Nothing like a 4am pager going off...
    4 am doesn't exist. Its just a story made up to scare little children.
  26. Re:Work to be found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know this is not going to be a popular opinion but..
    Tightly bound cable bundles at the rack are NOT helping anyone but the anal person looking at the pretty pictures. Try troubleshooting or replacing a wire in that bundle at the rack. A rack is a dynamic environment, that is why there are jacks there! If it was not meant to be dynamic, why even use jacks at the rack? Just hard wire everything. If your rack is attached to the floor, movement and cable chafing is not a problem either. If you have to spend more then 5 minutes to get the bundle the way it looked before you replaced a wire at the rack level, you are wasting every ones time including your own to get it to look absolutely perfect. There is NOTHING wrong from a technical standpoint by using the plain old cable management hooks on the front of a typical rack that the cables route through, each wire does not need to be zip tied or Velcro every few inches and each wire spreading off of the bundle with a cable tie for each one, in fact, you can cross over the width of a typical 19 inch rack without the need for any additional bundling other then standard wire management trays and hooks. Side rack mounting depends on type of management you have for that, I've seen some better then others.

    Like I said, my opinion is not going to be a popular one but can someone give me a technical reason why every rj45 plug in something like a 24 port blade needs to tied individually or even in groups of two? Is that "unsafe"? Is it a hazard in your environment? If so, what the hell is going on in your equipment room and why do you not have a door on your rack? Is it harder to track down then a huge bundle 20 deep and zip tied to 10ft lbs every 3 inches?

    Oddly enough, I've seen many installations where the rack looked pristine but the out of sight areas or covered parts for the actual runs like under floor or overhead in partially covered trays or inside the rack vertical sections looked like spaghetti. If your goal is neatness and you justify the clean rack area for some technical reason, what is your excuse for the other areas that are out of normal sight looking like crap, do those technical reasons for a pristine rack not apply to areas others can not easily see? In order to get the rack to look nice, the extra cabling is balled up and hidden elsewhere. It does not make sense.

    For reference, I do neat work now and I've had to replace and re bundle cables and wires inside nuclear reactor instrumentation control panels and rack mounted electronic instrumentation shelves using nylon string and shellac so I am very familiar with the concept and the goals of proper wire management.

  27. That's nothing compared to this one. by antdude · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out this crazy yellow one. And it's yellow! :)

    From AQFL.

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    1. Re:That's nothing compared to this one. by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yikes. The admin for that place must be screaming each time he sees a plate of pasta!

      I just imagine the face on the guy who just gets hired to maintain a place like this :)

      PHB : And this is our server racks

      New guy : Aeeeeiiiiii! (jumps out the window)

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    2. Re:That's nothing compared to this one. by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Informative
      My eyes! The goggles do nothing!


      Sadly, this looks a lot like the wiring I've seen at some big LAN-parties.

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    3. Re:That's nothing compared to this one. by kylehase · · Score: 5, Funny

      To diffuse the bomb, cut the yellow wire.

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    4. Re:That's nothing compared to this one. by lys1123 · · Score: 2, Funny

      By all that is holy, you have found him!

      The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

    5. Re:That's nothing compared to this one. by fbjon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer my bombs to be in focus when working on them, thank you.

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  28. Very simple solution I have been using for years by cheros · · Score: 2, Informative

    What you're after is called control panel trunking. For an example what it looks like, go to http://rswww.com/ and enter "PVC open slot trunking" in the search box (I tend to use mainly black 50x50mm). This is, incidentally, also the trick I have seen on some rack systems to keep it looking tidy. That doesn't mean it IS tidy (matter of definition), but it looks that way :-).

    Cut it to size and drop on the floor behind equipment or under your desk, or screw down where required. Best use separate ones for mains power and signal cable, but I've managed with all-in-one as well (not with audio, though).

    The idea is to route the cable straight in, route out at exit point and roll up the excess inside the tray. However, if you're thinking of doing that with power cable you better make very sure that you don't go near the rated capacity of the cable (sensible in any case), so a cable powering an electric heater is probably not a good candidate.

    After you're done, pop on the lid and it all looks wonderfully tidy. Yet, if you want to change something, all you do is rip the lid off and change. I've once had a workroom where I'd simply run a trunk all the way round the room, just above the skirting board, and my desk has one just under the edge, plus one running down a leg. That was a real hi tech solution, it was fitted using double sided sticky tape :-)

    In an office you just use sensible colours, so I guess blue is probably not the best solution . It's basically just following some visual tricks, the eye ignores straight lines and regular patterns.

    Caveat: I repeat, this makes it LOOK tidy. It can still become a complete nightmare inside, and I've found that at occasions it's simply better to rip the lot out and start again.

    So there. It's not as hard as it looks - you just have to know which tools to use..

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  29. Re:Not me. by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Funny

    I suppose you could use them to tie yourself to your chair and therefore not trip over stuff.

    (no I don't know either how they could help)

    OTOH there are some U shaped nails that are wide enough for CAT5 cabling. I've used those before.

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  30. No fun whatsoever by Plutonite · · Score: 2, Funny

    What would be the fun in trying to locate a cable in one of those perfectly tied, will-you-marry-me-now bundles? Where is the CHALLENGE, the spirit of the techie?

    I'm a comp.science person, so we don't do such mundane tasks, but for you lowly H/W freaks I suggest that cabling be done a little worse to make your miserable lives a little more interesting.

  31. Re:Work to be found by Monty_Lovering · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think balance is best; those ultra-tidy racks would also win prizes in a contest for Obsessive Compulsives. Of course, maybe they are in the avionics bay of the space shuttle and need to be zipped down... or maybe they have bad infestation of those naughty server-room elves...

    Somewhere in the fricking middle is best; don't zip-tie stuff that makes re-working twice the tsak it need be. Unlss your GOAL is to make re-wroking twice the task it should be...

  32. Maintainability by PhotoGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The discussions of maintainability reminded me of a funny story.

    At the first company I started, we had an excellent ops fellow who did all our wiring. The racks were immaculate, on par with the the winners in the competition. We never found maintainability a major factor, as things were wired right, and patch panels routed things as changes dictated.

    However, on one occasion, I do remember his obsessive compulsive approach annoying. We were doing some moving around, so he was coming in and out of my office every few minutes for various changes, as was I. I typically don't screw in my monitor (or other cables), because, well, I don't need to, and I often change things around. Anyhow, the work I was doing that day involved plugging the monitor into a few different units to check things out. At one point, I couldn't remove it from the PC. It had been screwed in. I undid it, and moved it to the next PC I was checking, went to the bathroom. When I came back, I couldn't remove it, it had been screwed in again. Every time my employee walked by, he was screwing the monitor cable in tight, the way it "should be." This went on for about four or five times. The fact he even spotted it was amazing, much less the inability to walk by it without "fixing" it.

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  33. Re:We want Titty Racks !! by dmdb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    again Yes! Like others have said, if you work in an enviroment where you have to deal with machine faults etc (I'm actually a broadcaster but its increasingly server based now and the same principles apply) it makes it so much quicker and easier if the rack is wired neatly and in such a manner that you can trace cables (numbering helps too!). Unfortunatly what I've found when Broadcast and IT kit start to combine is people can't be bothered to make CAT5 cables and so the premade patch cables get used, for a temporary bodge this is fine however on permenant installations having cables the correct length and with appropriate numbering makes life so much easier!

  34. No labels, no good by MECC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The racks shown in the article look nice and all, but I didn't see any labels. They get an 'F'. Its one thing not to have labels at IDFs, but not on server racks - ever. At least one of those looked like server racks.

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  35. Re:Have they never heard of induction? by Theaetetus · · Score: 2, Funny
    That many wires running together like that are bound to have a few EM fields somewhere.


    Yeah. If only there were some magical technology that could notice that the induced EMF is in the same phase on the two legs, and with some sort of amplifier, find a differential signal that would remove it.

    If I ever invent one, I'll call it a magic-signal-sorter.

  36. Re:We want Titty Racks !! by macdaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hand-made patch cables are EVIL. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've found the problem to be a custom, hand-made patch cable that has failed (yes, cables do fail). Of the hundreds of server rooms I've been in I always replace the patch cords if I have the slightest inkling that they're bad. Too many times to accurately count the cables were the problem. 99.9999% of the numbuts out there couldn't properly terminate a cable to save their life! I know many network engineers, carrying certs from the lowly CCNA to CCIE, that I wouldn't trust to make a single straight through cable, let alone put it into production.


    Stop making your own cables for production use! Stop being part of the problem that we have to come fix! Buy factory-made and certified cables that come with a warranty. You people are keeping people like me employed because of your save a buck attitudes. Then again I suppose that's a good thing, for me.

  37. Clean install requires hand terminated cables by spun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, because the cables in that winning system were all store bought - NOT! How hard is it to test a cable after you've terminated it to the exact length you need for the neatest, tidiest install possible? I used to do a lot of that, and I would have to re-terminate maybe one out of every fifty cables, it's not that hard.

    If you want a really nice looking install, you need to terminate yourself.

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    1. Re:Clean install requires hand terminated cables by Rifter13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One of the problems where I work, is not cables that are not properly built, but cables that degrade over time. For the first 6 months, all the cables were fine. After 6 months to a year, they started having problems. Lo and behold, the cables would just quit working. When studying for the A+ (Needed to finally get it for a job that just cared about that cert), I was surprised when I read a piece saying that if you mix the metals of the connectors (gold to nickle, I believe) they start corroding, and you start seeing problems about 6months down the road.

  38. Re:Dynamic my ass. by macdaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ha! What a crock of shit. Cables have always and will always move frequently if for no other reason than people can not afford (or will not buy) enough switchports for every drop. We had a new building wired not too long ago. In total there were over 1500 drops in the building. We had about 450 switchports total to support 400 users. Businesses however are extremely dynamic. One day they're using a conference room for a temporary training lab and need 12 working drops (wireless is not an option). The remodel X offices per week (I think it's a requirement from their charter), requiring additional drops on different walls. They move one department from one area to another. Of course one of the departments is the dev team which has numerous drops per cube. The point is wiring closets are never, EVER stagnant. Wiring closets are more comparable to a living breathing being. Hell it can develop an attitude. Wire neatly. Punch everything down and use cross connects. Don't try to be a wiring zealot. It won't work.

  39. Factory or Field? Depends on the situation... by sirwired · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For truly permanent installs, like wiring from the comms room to offices, then skilled (and tested) field terminations are pretty much the only option. There is way too much slack if you factory terminate end-user wiring.

    For data centers, all the really good installs I have seen use factory-made trunks going to patch panels interconnected with factory-made patches. This gives you MUCH more flexibility than point-to-point cabling, and makes box installs go much faster when you can just break out a crate of more-or-less appropriate-length patch cables.

    Ideal in my mind for a data center: Server -> factory patch of a good length (use several different sizes and select whichever is appropriate) -> mini patch-panel -> factory trunk -> central patch panel -> factory patch -> whatever... (usually your switch). This involves more cables than a field-terminated point-to-point setup, but it makes changes SO much easier.

    I can say that for fiber, you should only use field-terminated cables if absolutely necessary. It is simply too easy to screw up optic fiber terminations. 90% of the cabling issues I deal with in my line of business (enterprise storage support) are because of poor field-terminated 50u (or *shudder* 62.5u) cabling.

    SirWired