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Genetic Mapping of Mouse Brain Complete

Vicissitude writes "A 3-D reference atlas of the genes that are active in the mouse brain is now complete. The atlas was declared finished on Tuesday, although scientists have been using it regularly for more than a year. The project was started in 2002 with $100 million from Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen." From the article: "'Since mice and humans share more than 90 percent of genes, the Allen Brain Atlas has enormous potential for understanding human neurological diseases and disorders affecting more than 50 million Americans each year,' the Allen Institute for Brain Science said. These include Alzheimer's disease, which affects 4.5 million Americans, autism, which may occur in one in every 175 births, epilepsy, which affects 2.7 million Americans, schizophrenia and Parkinson's disease."

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  1. only americans suffer from brain diseases by chifut · · Score: 5, Funny

    this many million Americans, that many million Americans, does anybody else matter on this planet?

    1. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by O'Laochdha · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But the other people don't get them American grant money!

    2. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by x2A · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah first thing I though too... this is one of the problems with americans that's responsible for the rest of the world's disdain with them... somebody before on slashdot said if only they used the word "people" in place of "americans", the rest of the world wouldn't grind their teeth hearing it.

      In this case, they're talking statistics, in may not make sense to try and say how many people in the world suffer from various conditions, but it could still be worded so much better, eg:

      "...effecting more than 50 million people in America alone..."

      doesn't sound like a bunch of americans thinking they're a higher species than anybody else on the planet.

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    3. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by doshell · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if e.g. European researchers found a cure for AIDS and didn't share that knowledge with the USA because they had done it under a European grant, would you be happy to still be infected until you found the cure on your own?

      I'm going to be modded down by this, but it really takes a bigot to react the way you did. Your attitude is exactly the kind of thing the original poster was condemning (or maybe you're just a troll trying to get some entertainment).

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    4. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by cyclop · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hi. You are welcome in the magic world of sarcasm. I know, it can take a bit to get used to.

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    5. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by O'Laochdha · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay, first off, that was a joke.

      Seriously, though, it is somewhat important to emphasize the disease's effect on the US to get US grants. If we found a cure for AIDS, there's no doubt in my mind that we'd share it. However, if AIDS (or one of the diseases in question, or any other) were rare in the US, but more widespread overseas, it would be fairly difficult to get grants, and most scientists would spend their time on other, more lucrative things. Selfish, maybe, but I don't think there's a country in the world that doesn't put some degree of priority on domestic issues. And for all we talk about scientists only being interested in grants, they can't do their job without them.

      A better allegory would be: if no one in Japan (where the disease is rare) cared to look into a cure for AIDS, would we be happy to remain infected until a more afflicted country found the cure on its own?

    6. Re:only americans suffer from brain diseases by Spikeles · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If we found a cure for AIDS, there's no doubt in my mind that we'd share it.
      Ahhahahahaha. You made me laugh.. *wipes tears* You are joking right? You are saying that in this day and age of patents/trademarks and corporate secrets they would share the biggest cash cow of the millenium! I think not.. they will milk it for every drop it's worth, you will have to pay the discoverers royalties whenever you produce it, if they even let you produce it, assuming they don't set up their own production plant. Imagine it.. The cure! You could charge whatever price you want, sell it on ebay! it'd be worth trillions, if you ever sell it, and if someone figures out the chemical breakdown and produces it you could sue their ass off for even more money.
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  2. Now for the real work... by BWJones · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now the gene mapping is finished, the real work can now begin.... I only half jokingly say this as all of the physiology needs to be performed on a baseline dataset now. It's interesting that a whole host of talents and technologies that were eclipsed by molecular biology and genetic engineering are now coming back into vogue. Technologies like electrophysiology and electron microscopy are now in hot demand.

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  3. great by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Genetic Mapping of Mouse Brain Complete

    Then they can get started on mapping Pinky, and then they can take over the world!

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  4. It's sure good to be a mouse these days... by teutonic_leech · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering all those medical advances related to enhancing the life of mice I must assume that our planet is run by a small group of super-enhanced labmice which managed to escape and take over.

    Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?"
    "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: Try to take over the world!"

  5. Wow, someone didn't do his homework by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since mice and humans share more than 90 percent of genes, the Allen Brain Atlas has enormous potential for understanding human neurological diseases and disorders affecting more than 50 million Americans each year

    That's an instant classic. Genes don't exactly work like this you know?

    90% same genes isn't like 90% same species. We share over 70% with insects and over 50% with plants.
    Yet, I wanna see someone claim that by dissecting oranges he can help us fight heart diseases.

    Let's face it: he's a scientist, he wanted to do it, he had to convince the sponsors. That's fine..

  6. Junk DNA by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I am very curious to know is what the verdict is on the 99% of Junk DNA that mice have. Humans have a similar scenario but what "junk" means is that this DNA does not code into proteins or seem to have a function. I recall reading an article where lab scientists had successfully removed a large chunk of what was believed to be junk DNA.

    Every mouse born missing that trait suffered a severe spine defect which looked like multiple sclerosis beyond belief. It was then believed that this deformity occurred in every mouse born but when inserted into junk DNA, it would be rendered harmless. Without the junk DNA to absorb the common deformity, the protein sequence for spinal cells was effectively altered nearly all the time.

    Hopefully with this mapping, we'll be able to better understand mice (and, in turn humans and optimistically eukaryotes in general). And perhaps we'll be able to settle the dispute as to whether or not junk DNA has functions beyond our insight.

    Unfortunately, I think one of the even more important tools for figuring out how Alzheimer's Desease occurs is understanding how proteins fold. Hopefully this will aid researchers looking to do this as a valuable tool.

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    1. Re:Junk DNA by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every time I hear about so-called "junk DNA" that doesn't seem to do anything important, it reminds me of the ancient Egyptians when they would mummify a deceased nobleman. They hollowed out the corpse and delicately preserved what they thought of as the departed's most precious organs - heart, stomach, etc. - in sealed jars next to the mummy. When they got to the brain, it didn't appear to be doing anything important that they could see, so they just threw it away.

    2. Re:Junk DNA by NinjaFarmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Junk DNA" sounds like some of the code I've seen. Nobody knows what it is, or what it does, but nothing works right without it.

  7. Woah by Darkman,+Walkin+Dude · · Score: 4, Funny

    This brain mapping might be just about a step too far with mouse experimentation. If you add up all the other improvements on them, and make them smart enough to escape, they are going to kick our asses. Then take our women. Not that the last part will bother too many people here. :p

    /narf

  8. Actually, it is the mice experimenting on them... by DMiax · · Score: 4, Funny

    We happen to be only the third most intelligent ones...

  9. Let's Do the Math by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A coworker of mine tried to astonish me with the same fact. He said, "We have over 90% of the same genes as mice!"

    It's not too astonishing to me. Considering from the point of DNA, you are no where close to the end product. I'm not a biologist but to my knowledge, DNA can be one of four acids. Those, in turn are read in varying lengths to make one of twenty different amino acids. Those amino acids can be read in varying lengths to be one of hundreds (if not thousands) different proteins which are the building blocks of life.

    So if you want to shock me and tell me that between a mouse and I, nine in every ten genes is the same, I'm not going to be too shocked. If one in every ten is different, I could see the above transformation resulting in something no where near the same thing.

    But the basic idea is very very well founded, any gene to protein research is good research. Since we know very little about that process and find it quite difficult to predict. The answer to Alzheimer's is believed to be rooted in this process and, by working backwards, we may be able to isolate the genes that cause it. That is, of course, assuming it's due to a twisted protein which may or may not be caused by a common virus or just age.

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  10. Liars! by TekPolitik · · Score: 3, Funny

    A 3-D reference atlas of the genes that are active in the mouse brain is now complete

    Obviously they could only have mapped the portion of the mouse that intrudes into our dimension. Being transdimensional superior creatures, there's no way limited creatures in our dimension could get access to the most important parts of the mouse brain.

  11. Wow! by Van+Cutter+Romney · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mice and Americans share 90% of the genes? Wow!

    Oh, wait that was mice and humans ...

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  12. ..similarity to Zonk's brain deemed "coincidental" by BeeBeard · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry, couldn't resist >.

  13. Squeak! by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny
    Since mice and humans share more than 90 percent of genes, the Allen Brain Atlas has enormous potential for understanding human neurological diseases and disorders affecting more than 50 million Americans each year

    Well, Mr. Smith, I have goods news — and I have bad news. The good news is because of the Allen Brain Atlas, we have been able to determine exactly what is wrong with you and precisely how to put you back together.

    The bad news is when the procedure is complete, your name will be "Algernon."

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