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Your Life On a Hard Drive

Iddo Genuth writes to point us to his The Future of Things blog, where he has put up a rumination on the idea of recording one's whole life, beginning with Vannevar Bush's 1945 "Memex" (from the same essay in which he envisioned digital photography and advanced electronic computers). This serves as introduction to an interview with Microsoft Research's Gordon Bell, arguably the first man to attempt recording (most of) his life. From TFoT: "If humans may be viewed as the sum total of their memories, then at our doorstep may be a life changing revolution: the ability to store one's entire life experiences on an accessible and easily searchable file. In this article, we examine this idea, as well as some of the problems involved in its application."

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  1. It Happened Once & It's Over by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't like this idea at all. I commend them for tackling such a large endeavor but I wish their efforts were concentrated on something more helpful to society.

    When I experience something, it's a multitude of things. It's not just my five senses which can be recreated to within some threshold ... it's also the state of my mind at the time. That cannot be recreated. You can't show me a video of my first kiss and expect me to feel the same thing I felt back then. I dare say that my senses and state of mind are near infinite.

    I would view it and try to remember what I was like back then but I'd still be me now. I've still kissed ten or twenty other girls in passion. You could never put me back there and it's laughable to aim for that goal.

    I also believe that humans are dynamic beings and that we are more than "the sum total of our memories..." These may affect behavior but they do not necessarily define us.

    More importantly, I'm more intelligent now. Show me the video clip of me pulling a garden hose off a shelf in kindergarten and I'll wince as the sledge on top of it plummets off of the shelf and destroys my big toe. I'll watch it over and over and over again and dwell on how stupid I was. Or, I'll move on with my life.

    People who want to do this are possibly suffering from a legacy complex where they are worried about what mark they leave on the world. Maybe this will satisfy you and maybe you'll make your kids experience these but it's not going to change the facts--there's a low probability anyone but your offspring will remember you. Hell, I don't even know any generation prior to my grandparents and neither does history.

    Things happen to us--for better or for worse they happen. Let's experience them and move on. I don't dwell on pictures, I don't dwell on home videos, if you want memories of joyous occasions then record them but nobody wants to watch me go to work day after day.

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    1. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've still kissed ten or twenty other girls in passion.

      Mod -1, Liar.

    2. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by josquint · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've still kissed ten or twenty other girls in passion.

      C'mon this is ./ there's no way that's legit!

    3. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's true, and he has the restraining orders to prove it!

    4. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is this "dot-slash" of which you speak?

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    5. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That cannot be recreated.

      Not for you, but if I cloned you, and raised you using the recording of your life so that everything was exactly the same, all five senses, would you clone have pulled the garden hose off the shelf without thinking about the sledgehammer? Would his first kiss have been exactly the same?

      it's also the state of my mind at the time.

      The deeper question here is whether the state of your mind is the sum of all of the inputs up to that instant. If you started over with a clone and fed it the same inputs, would it reach the same state of mind?

    6. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by josquint · · Score: 4, Funny

      its the dyslexic version of /.

    7. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by TopShelf · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dyslexics of the World, Untie!

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    8. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by burndive · · Score: 5, Informative
      What is this "dot-slash" of which you speak?

      /. is the root of a file system

      ./ is the current directory

      He must be referring to his own life experience.

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    9. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by buswolley · · Score: 2, Insightful
      C'mon guys. Are we still promoting behaviorism?? This is the age of cognitive science. The mind matters. We cannot treat the mind as a unchanging black box and simply map inputs to outputs. Inputs will have different consequences depending upon the state of mind/brain at that moment.

      However, there is a strong connection between the memory recollection and the context of the encoding event. Usually, it is true that there is better memory performance when the context at encoding and retrieval of a memory are similar. We use cues gathered from contextual stimuli to help reconstruct the memories. To the point, while a video recording of our lives is not the same as recording the personal experience of that life, it can however help an individual recollect the event later.

      Remember, for most cases it is true that recall is more difficult than recognition. Recall is retrieval of a memory without an external cue. Recognition is retrieval of a memory after being exposes to an external cue, like a face or a video. Recognition, according to dual process models of recognition is composed of two independent processes: Recollection and familiarity. (Yonelinas 2002). Ahh well, I digress.

      A note: I am a research assistant at the Ghetti Lab at the Center for Mind and Brain, UC Davis.

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    10. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by brainburger · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you hear about the dyslexic diabolist who sold his soul to Santa?

    11. Re:It Happened Once & It's Over by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      but I wish their efforts were concentrated on something more helpful to society.

      I REALLY wish people would stop saying things like this everytime a new scientific endeavor is underway. I mean, really, who the hell are you to judge what is more helpful to society? If you don't think people pursuing their OWN goals is helpful, then I HIGHLY recommend you watch James Burke's Connections series from the BBC because it will illustrate exactly how random human technological and societal development has been and what random quirks lead us to where we are now. So I applaud these guys. Who knows what future change this will inspire.

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  2. Experiences != memories by EVil+Lawyer · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "If humans may be viewed as the sum total of their memories..."

    "Humans" clearly aren't properly viewed as the sum total of their memories. First, there's an incongruity between the concept "human" and the concept "memory." Second, even if we ignore this incongruity, shouldn't it be "total of their experiences", not memories?

    1. Re:Experiences != memories by RingDev · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that's what this project would prove. We are not the sum of things we experience, we are the sum of things we believe to have experienced. Our persona is much more dependant on our interpretation of events that it is on the actual events themselves. Memories is also a bad choice as our interpretations at any given point may help to shape our persona, but in the future, we may have no memory of that interpretation.

      Toss into that the whole nurture/nature argument, so genetic predisposition, physiological effects, and social expectations, and you might get closer to a "calculation" of who we are.

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  3. Dear God, no by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if watching other people's home videos isn't torture enough already...and those are supposedly the more interesting parts of their lives.

    Just imagine having to sit through your uncle's slide show documenting every second of his vacation, including the 5 minutes he spent standing in front of the mirror scratching his ass. No thanks.

  4. The Final Cut by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of a movie I just saw called "Final Cut">The Final Cut with Robin Williams. In the movie he plays a "cutter". His job is to splice the full memories of people (who have had a chip implanted into their brains) into little films to play at their funerals. It was a very interesting movie.

    That said... what a waste of space. How much of my life will I spend watching TV. Good thing we might be able to record all that soon.

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  5. I did this by Xaer0cool · · Score: 5, Funny

    I spent the first 50 years of my life recording, but now I decided to watch what I recorded... I'll be a hundred before I get to do anything except watch myself! But I'm just dying to see how it will end!

  6. Memory != reality by TheWoozle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can imagine that for most people, this would actually upset them.

    People's memories are colored by everything from their state of mind at the time to associations with other experiences (that may not even seem related).

    I think most people would be upset to find out just *how much* their cherished memory of an event differs from the actual thing as it was recorded.

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  7. Old news by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't the CIA doing this for all of us nowadays anyway?

  8. and if by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what if we could record your state of mind at the time too?

    1. Re:and if by nojomofo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then you'd be in a Kurt Vonnegut novel.

    2. Re:and if by buswolley · · Score: 3, Informative

      The brain is not the same for a seven year old and an adult. Children are not just mini-adults. There brains work differently, depend on different processes, employ different strategies. For example, a seven year old does not have mature frontal lobes which is important in accessing consequences. The Frontal lobes develop into early adulthood. But in your case..who knows..

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    3. Re:and if by x2A · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The past is not an "artificial construct", the universe has been aging long before we evolved. But yes, time does move forwards, and this gives us chance to experience new things, or actually do things again that we enjoyed the first time round. Instead of looking at recordings of somewhere you went and had a great time, go there again, or somewhere else, and have /another/ great time. Instead of looking at photo's of old friends, get together with them, or make new friends, find out what other people have to offer.

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  9. There goes my sanity by poliopteragriseoapte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I actually happen to believe that one's sanity critically depends on the ability to forget things... I am not sure at all that the psychological consequences of a full-life recording have been investigated, and I somehow tend to believe they wouldn't be positive.

  10. Baby steps by Chairboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to shamelessly repost something I wrote a few months ago on another thread about a cell phone w/ 8GB of storage. It was a response to the people who were saying "why the hell would I need that much space there?":
    The utility of having this much space on your phone isn't just storing MP3s, videos, and whatnot. The real potential is in what this means you can create.

    I'd like to have my phone be a constant or voice activated recorder. I have my phone on me at all times, it has a microphone, why not have it provide me a 'cockpit voice recorder' of sorts for life? No more guessing exactly what my wife told me to do, or having to write down phone numbers.

    Generation 1, your phone just records MP3s of life as it happens to you. If anything interesting happens during the day, you save the file on your computer.

    Generation 2, it meta overlays GPS data and is automatically stored as part of your 'diary'. You store it in an encrypted location so it can't be used against you unless you choose to release it, and you have a perfect alibi showing what you said and where you were.

    Generation 3, combine voice processing to index everything spoken around you into a searchable form, recognize phone numbers, voices, etc, and create a full digital assistant. At some point around here, it can also store a digital video feed from any cameras you or your personal equipment might have that's synchronized with everything.

    Generation 4, it hunts down Sarah Conner.

    Everytime someone puts a bunch of storage into something, someone else says "what's the use?" And human nature being what it is, some other asshole decides to invent something cool to use that storage/capabillity for just so they can give the finger to the first person.

  11. Yeah, right... by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As though the observation of life as an object is the same as living life as a subject.

    This is not a breakthrough. If it is used as a body of data, rather than as entertainment, then it is just a bigger archaeological record, but it is not transformative in any way.

    If it is used as entertainment (as it no doubt will be), then this is just the new "reality entertainment" mechanism with six billion channels of reality TV on all the time. If you thought biography, autobiography, and reality TV were bad, just wait for Totality Multimedia. In the most banal sense, given how much entertainment we already consume, you will finally get to spend you life watching other people watch TV. And then, you'll get to read about what they thought as they did it, and listen to the sound of them not speaking over the sound of the radio. It's so postmodern it's primitive.

    So you can observe an entire recorded world in all its banality... Or you can turn toward the window and observe an entire world being recorded in all its banality. Life reduces to itself. Yay.

    It does create an interesting paradox, though: with this much data, to absorb the entirety of another's life as object, you must indeed sacrifice a good percentage of your own life as subject (assuming that it would take something on the order of your natural life to view the entire record [if possible at all] of another's). Actually, that's not even very interesting, as it merely telescopes down to "if someone else wastes their life, and you are passively there for the entirety, contributing nothing, doing nothing, then you also waste yours."

    Sort of goes without saying. I suppose there's a kind of performance art in being born, living, and dying only to watch someone else being born, living, and dying. But that's about it.

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  12. The Microsoft Version. by twitter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft Research's Gordon Bell ... the ability to store one's entire life experiences on an accessible and easily searchable file.

    Cringing at the possibility. He actually said "file" instead of database or "files". I'm imagining the Windoze and Outlook model - a single file, difficult to search or transfer, an EULA giving M$ permission to search and destroy "copyright violations" at will, zero security and it explodes at about 2.0 GB in size. Imagine:

    You: "Computer, what did I do last night?"
    computer: "Master?"
    You: "My head is splitting, there's a stranger in my bed and I want to know what happened"
    computer: "Just a moment. Just a moment"
    You: WTF?
    computer: "I'm sorry, you don't have rights to view that. They have been sold to America's dumbest moments."
    You: "Erase Last Night, you piece of shit."
    computer: "I can't do that Dave. It's already been uploaded, you will be sent the bandwith bill."
    You: Smashing Computer. "Delete last night"
    computer: "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all"
    computer: "Your seventh birthday has been erased and your brother is liquidated. Thank you."

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  13. I have something like this - it's called email by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a few close friends who I email almost daily. I tell these few friends the details of my life, both good and bad. I've saved all my emails since about 1995, so I have over 10 years of my history recorded in this manner.

    A few months ago, I was going through some personal stuff about a relationship that had just ended. I wondered what the heck was I thinking when I decided to start dating this woman. So, I went back in my emails to the time when I started dating her and there were all my thoughts right there. I realized I was deluded when I started dating her, and knowing that made me feeel better for some reason. So, I guess going back in that fashion can have it's benefits, but I think recording absolutely everything is a bit much.

    I'm sure a diary/journal would serve similar purposes, but for some reason, this works for me.

  14. Why? by retro128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Few enough people think my comments in online forums are interesting. Why would anyone care about my life? And suppose I were not to share it, then I would I keep it for myself for what purpose? Unplugging from current reality and engaging in nostalgia? And aren't some things just better off forgotten? I know there are probably a lot of dumb things I said/did in the past that I'd rather forget and hope everyone else does too. The Internet already does a fantastic job of bringing my stupid comments made years ago back into the present. I can only imagine was a lifestream would look like. Ugh.

    I can just see it now. I'm back in time leaning in for my first kiss, and then I say "hang on baby, I need to strap on my headcam so I can remember this". Of course all that would be captured are several nose bumps and her comment that I'm using too much tongue. Like I said, stuff I'd rather forget...

    Anyone ever seen Strange Days? Where the dude's got a while collection of disks of captured memories of his girlfriend that broke up with him? Yeah, there's a paradise...playing back immersive footage of some ex so often you can't let go and move on.

    And lastly, to me, the whole idea of storing your life on a drive just smacks of Myspace style attention whoring gone stratospheric. And you think drunken party pics are bad...

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