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Ballmer Sounds Off

PreacherTom writes "Steve Ballmer shares his thoughts on the Web 2.0 phenomenon, Zune, XBox, Vista, Bill's upcoming 2008 retirement, the future of Microsoft, and other subjects. For example, regarding the GooTube deal: "Right now, there's no business model for YouTube that would justify $1.6 billion. And what about the rights holders? At the end of the day, a lot of the content that's up there is owned by somebody else. The truth is what Google is doing now is transferring the wealth out of the hands of rights holders into Google." He's blunt, if nothing else."

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  1. Deleted Scenes from the Interview by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny
    The truth is what Google is doing now is transferring the wealth out of the hands of rights holders into Google.
    Ballmer:That's right, once Google bought YouTube they telephoned all the banks of recording industry artists and movie association members and said explicitly, "All your wealth are belong to us." And it was that point right there when all the banks handed large sacks with green dollar signs on them to Google. Remember back to that day, it was a long time ago, do you remember? Don't you remember Google having a long mustache that they twirled as they laughed and took the money?

    Interviewer: Aren't you oversimplifying things? I mean YouTube was taking down copyrighted content once they were notified of its presence.

    Ballmer: I'd never be guilty of oversimplifying something--I was merely attempting to explain a situation to the rest of the world about a company that just happens to be one of our biggest competitors and a direct threat in the search and advertisment industries. You don't remember it like that? Well I do and so does DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS ... sorry, I have Tourettes syndrome.
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    1. Re:Deleted Scenes from the Interview by Ubergrendle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ingnoring your little pantomime, Ballmer's point is legitimate -- even 'user created' content is a HUGE liability on the website. A World of Warcraft video w/ a soundtrack from a current music album, populated with soundbits from TV shows... lawyers no longer need viagra.

      Youtube is a very, very young company...just like it took the RIAA a few years to realise what Napster was, I'm sure the MPAA is having closed door sessions today to figure out how to litigate/shut this down.

      In the land of the DCMA, laws banning online gambling, the RIAA and MPAA, this is a huge legal disaster waiting to happen. I'm supportive of Google pushing the envelope, but I think they have overreached on this acquisition. Their first major mistake IMHO.

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    2. Re:Deleted Scenes from the Interview by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the land of the DCMA, laws banning online gambling, the RIAA and MPAA, this is a huge legal disaster waiting to happen. I'm supportive of Google pushing the envelope, but I think they have overreached on this acquisition. Their first major mistake IMHO.

      On the upside, the impact of such litigation on The Common Man might just wake everyone up to how out of control copyright laws have gotten...

    3. Re:Deleted Scenes from the Interview by aplusjimages · · Score: 5, Informative

      Videos on YouTube go up like 3-5 minutes after you upload them. Google Video goes through a process that takes a day or two. This helps slow down impulse uploading. Why show off a cool video to your friends online that isn't yours on Google Video that will take a day or two. It's faster to post it on YouTube where it will be up in minutes and you are still excited about it.

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    4. Re:Deleted Scenes from the Interview by Catbeller · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "voluntarily chose"

      Oh, please. No one voluntarily chooses to give up the rights to copy and play their own music. They do so under duress, to make a living. They always gave it up because the other choice is to work at McDonalds.

      Those people they voluntarily give up their rights to steal all the profits for decades. If they decide to give the artist anything at all, after the "expenses" are deducted.

      If any artists are on the side of the corporations that hold the copyright gates, then they are usually young, dazzled by the bright lights, and were brought up thinking that the proper way of things is to submit to the flashy men in the conference room. They were born in a slave culture, and they think like slaves. This is the downside of feudalism: serfs eventually wholeheartedly support their lords -- they can't imagine that it could work any other way. And corporatism = feudalism; it's not even a metaphor.

    5. Re:Deleted Scenes from the Interview by patmfitz · · Score: 5, Informative
      Google Video goes through a process that takes a day or two.
      It used to be like that, but no longer. They implemented a web upload form for videos less than 100MB, and the video is available as soon as it's uploaded.
  2. Uh... by sammy+baby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Uh. Surely if YouTube is the ticking time bomb of copyright infringement that it's claimed to be, then what's happening is Google transferring money from the hands of Google investors into a holding tank for eventual litigants.

    I mean, if you were Ballmer, wouldn't you be thrilled that Google had bought YouTube?

  3. He's right about the rights by spywhere · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now that YouTube has money behind it, Google can expect legal action from a whole bunch of people... some of it justified.

  4. Re:if only... by Cartzca · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about "The Internet" which they kindly link to from the start menu? Remember that it won't fit in the recycle bin...

  5. Really interesting thing... by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ballmer let slip at the end, (regarding European vista launch date):

    "...we'll have to push the button because our partners--hardware makers and retail chains--need time to ramp up supply chains, marketing, and demand generation."

    Demand generation. Vista itself has no demand (meaning no extra benefit over XP), so they have to artificially create demand now.

  6. Remember what "Wealth" means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ballmer wasn't using wealth to mean "money in the bank account." He was using it in a more technical sense of the word. "Wealth," economically speaking, is stuff that has economic value. Cars and potatoes and the like. Money is just a means of quantifying wealth and facilitating the process of bartering for it.

    Information (music, videos, etc.) has economic value, and is therefore wealth. That is what Ballmer was talking about, the transfer of that economically-valuable information from the copyright holders to google.

    Now, this statement is still absurd, because of some "have your cake and eat it too" mentalities at work behind the concept of intellectual property.

    If I take raw materials and use them to build a car, I have created wealth. I am now wealthier because of it. I also own the wealth I created, which means I control it. I can give it to you if I want, in which case you are more wealthy and I am less wealthy. Obviously I can't keep doing this endlessly without running myself dry, so I will need you to give me something back. Hence we barter. But what's important is that once I give that item to you, I don't have it anymore.

    With information it is different. I can give you a copy of it without giving up my copy of it, and without having to expend resources in its creation. So, that means, I can give it to you and still keep it! Thus I get to make money by claiming your wealth (in the form of the money you pay me) without actually giving up any of the wealth I already have (the music/video/whatever).

    Of course this is absurd, and demonstrates where common information-as-property metaphors fall short. It doesn't make sense for me to sell you a car and then claim that I still own it, so why does it make sense for me to sell you a digital file and then claim that I still own it? In the real world, I wouldn't have that car anymore, so does that mean that I am obligated to delete my copy of the song once I sell it to you? Of course not. Treating information as property leads to these sorts of contradictions because information is not property, and doesn't work the same way.

    "Intellectual property" is basically a game of pretending like information works like property in some ways, but insisting that it does not work like property in other ways. We pretend it works like property when individual consumers are concerned (they can't make copies of cars without resources, so they shouldn't be able to make copies of information without resources either), but we insist that it does not work like property when rich businesses are concerned (sure, I sold you a COPY of the data, but really I still own the data). This is not only logically inconsistent, but economically harmful (it results in lots of money flowing upwards without any real wealth flowing downwards).

    We should instead treat information as information, and rethink copyright laws. They should not arbitrarily restrict the zero-cost duplication and distribution of information (which is a great benefit to humanity in and of itself). We must also recognize that money not spent on electronic information is not money lost to the economy, but rather, money that can be spent in an economically healthy way (used to buy food or cars or any other traditional exchange in which the wealth flows in both directions).

    I have already written more than anyone will read, so I won't bother to get into the false claims that intellectual property laws protect content providers (which they do not) and that giving them up will result in no new creations and cultural starvation (which it will not). I just hope that the next generation will be able to see through these hypocritical fallacies of "intellectual property law" and act more intelligently than the current generation is acting.

  7. translation by Tom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there's no business model for YouTube that would justify $1.6 billion.

    or, translated to normal english:

    "We have no idea how they plan to make money on this, so it must be impossible."

    The sounds of a man who can't accept that there might be people smarter than him on the planet.

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