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Firefox Accepting Feature Suggestions for Version 3

Krishna Dagli writes to mention an article over at Ars Technica discussing the Firefox team's call for feature suggestions. Version 3 of the software is already in the works, and the team members are looking to the community for ideas on where to go next. From the article: "The wish list is long indeed, and it provides an insight into the desires of the browser community, and a look at the open source development process. While closed-source projects often ask their user community for feedback on requested features, the process is not usually open to the public. For Firefox 3, anyone can both suggest new features and comment on other people's suggestions. The feature requests are divided into categories, such as browser customization, privacy features, security, history, download manager, and other areas. There are suggestions for features found in other competing browsers, such Safari, IE 7 beta, and Opera. IE7 seemed to be featured most prominently, with requests for "low-rights mode," as well as more cosmetic features like skins that mimic Microsoft's browser."

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  1. Keep it simple ... by schwit1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Make it fast, compliant and secure. Leave everything else to extensions.

    1. Re:Keep it simple ... by BlueCodeWarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mod parent up. This is exactly what I want out of a browser. Make it secure, make it 100% compliant, and then work on speed.

      Yeah, pick two, I know...

    2. Re:Keep it simple ... by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is exactly what I wish firefox was and what I thought was the project's prime goal. It would be great if Firefox was as modular as it could be instead of seeing that feature getting eroded with time. For example, it would be great if the search bar was converted into a pure extension.

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    3. Re:Keep it simple ... by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I think that firefox's reliance on extensions is rapidly becoming a problem. For so many features I'm told to "get a plugin", which often isn't being maintained to the same high standard as the rest of the browser.

      I'm happy for many features to be in extensions and a lean, mean version to be provided for those who want it. I'd also like a "bloated" browser as well, full of plugins that are considered useful, carefully maintained, and also checked to make sure they all work well together.

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    4. Re:Keep it simple ... by drsquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the contrary, include more things by default. Hunting down extensions for every little bit of functionalty is a pain in the arse.

    5. Re:Keep it simple ... by debrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By default, build in functionality to hunt down every little extension that covers all that extra functionality.

    6. Re:Keep it simple ... by Man+of+E · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Make it fast, compliant and secure. Offer two versions for download:
      - Barebones, browser only, users must install their own extensions. Most geeks will want this one.
      - Some common and supported extensions preinstalled to support features included in competing browsers. Most people will want this one.

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    7. Re:Keep it simple ... by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful
      build in functionality to hunt down every little extension that covers all that extra functionality.
      More choice isn't always a great idea.

      https://addons.mozilla.org/search.php?app=firefox& type=E&appfilter=firefox&perpage=10&left=1870

      1,880 extensions is waaaay to much for any computer n00blet to wade through.

      Even if you assume that 75% are dupes, 470 is still a lot of discreet options to wade through.

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    8. Re:Keep it simple ... by mqduck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The solution seems simple to me. Move all the extra features to extensions, bundle those extensions with the browser, and turn them on in a "default" installation. Won't confuse your average user and would make the lean-and-meaners happy. Those of us with a bit more knowledge can disable the extensions we don't use, providing a benefit for people like me (and I suspect most others) who don't like to whine about Firefox bloat, but still think no more bloat than necessary is a good idea.

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    9. Re:Keep it simple ... by kryptkpr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you proposing loading up a new instance of Firefox for every open window? I regularly use both windows AND tabs, and it's not uncommon for me to have 4-5 windows open (1 window = 1 research subject, and windows have many tabs in them all relating to the same subject). Your proposal would quadruple the memory requirements on Firefox for my system.

      If such a feature is included, I would like to be able to turn it off. My firefox very, very rarely crashes (once every few *months* Java or Flash bring it down). If you're having crashing problems, you should start up a new profile and re-install your extensions one by one to see which one is causing you the grief.

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    10. Re:Keep it simple ... by Theovon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good thinking. Some people agree with you, adding this to the wiki:

      Plugins
        Run plugins as a independent process, that talks with firefox via a socket or something like this. If a plugin crash it doesn't take firefox with it. It also allow one to kill a locked or high load plugins and keep surfing.
        Run plugins as a independent process, so that when they leak memory, that memory will be freed when the tab or window is closed.
        Run plugins as a independent process, so that when a plugin refuses to shut down (like acroread), the browser can forcibly kill it.

      Stability and resource-utilization improvements
      Put each document into an independent process (not thread: separate forked process) so that:
        When a document causes Firefox to crash, the whole browser won't be taken with it.
        When a bug in Firefox stomps on memory it doesn't own, other documents in memory are not corrupted.
        When a document causes Firefox to leak massive amounts of memory, closing that tab or window will free up the wasted memory.
        When a bug in Firefox or a script on the page locks up (infinite loop or whatnot), the whole browser will not hang up, just the one document. Closing the tab or window kills the aberrant process. This is also an issue for DNS lookup; the browser always freezes completely during DNS lookup. Make this affect only the document being loaded.
        Obviously, this also means that the Firefox main UI should also be in a separate process, and you should use IPC and sharing of window-system resource IDs and handles to communicate between UI and document processes.
        When the UI crashes, restarting the UI can sweep up documents that find themselves unattached and re-present them undisturbed.
        Cross-site scripting and buffer overflow exploits have a much harder time hacking into information for other documents, because they are inaccessible in separate processes.

    11. Re:Keep it simple ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plugins

      Someone should add "If the plugin search can't find the plugin, can you PLEASE have it tell me what MIME type it was so I can get it myself?"

      I'm getting tired of having to hunt through the source code to find what I'm missing, since firefox doesn't appear to know about any of the linux plugins.

  2. Stability. by dal20402 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With extensions, Firefox does pretty much anything that anyone could want in a browser. I'd like only two things from Firefox 3:

    1. More stability and less memory usage. On both Windows and OS X, Firefox can swallow all your system resources if you leave it running long enough and do enough browsing. On my machines, the program also crashes, infrequently but regularly, most often when a page it's loading is corrupted by a network error. Spend the effort on finding memory leaks and bugs instead of adding gewgaws.

    2. Without changing the functionality of the interface or its basic elements, make it prettier. The buttons look big, garish, and way too colorful; look at Safari for one example of a better way. (I use a skin to make my Firefox installs look much like Safari, but I think a more professional/more beautiful interface could inspire more people to switch.)

    1. Re:Stability. by miro+f · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that's actually part of firefox 2. so no need to wait

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    2. Re:Stability. by owlnation · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree wholheartedly.

      After reading the current list on the Mozilla feature brainstorming page, if even a few of these features get built into Fx 3 is going to be too heavy to be practical. I am already concerned about Fx 2.0. Such things as built in spellchecker is fine in an extension, but I have no need of it (screw you grammar nazis, spelling isn't standardised between countries and hasn't been standardised at all for much more than a century). I have not yet upgraded to the RC, and not entirely sure if I should.

      I have a big fast powerful machine, and run only a few extensions. For me, there has been a profound drop off in performance from my first steps with version 0.8something and 1.5.

      But I adore Firefox and want to keep it. I just wish it was leaner and faster.

      It seems to me that the true beauty of OSS is that it does not need to pander to the marketing twats. There is absolutely no need for free software to pack in yet more features every version.

      When speed, efficiency and stability are perfected, then by all means consider new features. Otherwise, that is why extensions were created, and why Seamonkey was created.

  3. Per site Shockwave Flash disabling!!! by Programmer_Errant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Preferrably with control on the main panel to disable those sites with annoying float over ads that obstruct the view of the article you are trying to read. This is important since the Shockwave Flash positions itself as a mechanism for advertizers to bypass browser controls. Shockwave needs to be seriously slapped down.

  4. Different password handling by Rumagent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Number one on my list:

    Wait until the password has been accepted before offering to save it.

    Other than that. Slim it down to the bare minimum and let people customize it with extensions.

  5. Re:Less = More by eddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is that basically the only real market share out there for grabs, is people who don't know anything more than "I click in the internet icon". If you give them the bare-bones, they'll go back to IE7.

    The solution would seem to be to have official plugins shipped with the browser installer, which power users could deactivate (during installation) or replace.

    Though personally I feel some things should just be built in (remembering tabs on restart for instance)

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  6. Re:supress password popups with one click. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you can't understand why a typical computer user (read: not a technical guru) would want a feature like this then you're really out of touch with the general populace.

  7. JavaScript links by Hangin10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've yet to find an extension for this, so if there is one, please let me know.

    It's all too often when I middle-click a link to open in a new tab, only to get the tab being "Untitled" and the URL starts with "javascript:". Is it too much to ask that Firefox detect a javascript link and prevent it from opening in a new tab (or window, but usually I catch those), and merely run the javascript?

  8. Re:number 1 request by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The slashdot extension ought to have an OMG Ponies theme built into it. Taco's wife would be proud.

    In FF3 I'd like to see integrated .torrent downloading, or at the very least a default Add On button in the corner of the window, so there's no menu a noob has to click into to install features that may become standard in other browsers. That way they are only 3 clicks away from installing a new feature, instead of missing out because it's part of a long menu with no highlighting graphic even.

  9. Re:my suggestions by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eugh. We don't need more GNOME hideosity. I'd much rather see packages customized for each desktop environment. KDE, GNOME, whatever.

    But for the love of God, don't standardize on a user-coddler like GNOME. I used GNOME for three years, with ever-increasing annoyance and frustration, until finally I said to hell with it and tried KDE.

    KDE lets me do what I want to do. I'm never going back.

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  10. Re:4 things by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Insightful
    A fix for this javascript DoS attack:
    for(;;) alert("Please restart your browser.");
    What would be nice is to have those pesky dialogs part of the window they belong to, in their own little UI. So they don't block me from changing anything in the address bar, looking at other tabs etc.
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  11. Re:Less = More by ballwall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why can't the extra featueres be first-party extensions that are installed by default, and the installer has a 'Custom' installation option that lets you uncheck all of them? Seems like that would be the best of both worlds.

  12. better "bookmark this page!!!" by bigbigbison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I know that you can right click to access a menu to add a pare as a bookmark, I really really hate the fact that in the bookmark menu the add bookmarks and manage bookmark controls scroll with the rest of the bookmarks. I can't tell how many times I've been at the end of a long list of bookmarks and had to scroll all the way back up to the top of the list to access the "bookmark this page!" In IE6 the manage and add "favorites" menu items stay put. That's teh ONLY thing that IE does better than Firefox!

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  13. Re:Moving forward, not standing still by jsebrech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Many web pages depend on GIF's all-or-nothing transparancy rendering. Fixing the pages that weren't designed with GIF's limitations in mind would break those that were.

    It's the task of the web developer/designer to make the site pretty. The browser shouldn't try to second-guess them by modifying images to disobey what the image spec specifies. Not by default anyway. I have no beef with this feature being an extension.

  14. My suggestions by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1.Improve the memory usage.
    2.Better ways to find extentions that are leaking resources.
    3.If a URL being displayed results in "host not found", "cant contact server" or an error such as 404, it should not be added to the history. Also, URLs should only be added to the history once they get past that step and actually recieve a "200 ok" reply from the server with a piece of data or something. (i.e. if I press escape to cancel loading before it actually loads, it shouldnt go in the history)
    4.Bring back MNG support.
    5.Better security features. I want to see a world where (once a small amount of initial setup is taken care of), encrypting and/or signing an email is as simple as clicking a button on the email compose form with the program doing the rest. (although this feature is probobly more a thunderbird feature than a firefox feature)

  15. Re:number 1 request by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really? If you were going to teach a man to pee, would you insist on holding it for him the first time, to make sure he got it right, or would you just maybe show him, or even, sort of show him, so he hopefully got the idea?

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  16. Re:supress password popups with one click. by starsky51 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How about something like:

    Should Firefox remember the password for this site?

    [ ] Remember this answer
    [ ] Use this answer on every site

    [YES] [NO]
    (The second checkbox only becomes active when the first is ticked)
    This presents the user with less choices and the additional options make sense.
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  17. make the search box easier to extend by coaxial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's absurd that I have to code up basically an extension to add a new search engine to the search box. Galeon has had the ability to add a new "smart bookmark" by just copying and pasting the appropriate URL for years. AcidSearch for Safari, will automatically find and add the appropriate search URL for you if you want. Firefox on the other hand is makes it incredibly difficult, or causes you to resort to those ugly Rollyo pages.

    Completely unacceptable, and worst of all, I don't even understand how they even thought that their approach was even remotely necessary.

  18. Better Tab Docking by Enonu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    With Eclipse, a Java IDE, you can position tabs in any logical assortment you see fit by just dragging the tab, e.g.:

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    |1| |
    |-|2|
    |3| |
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    is a perfectly valid tab configuration. Here, 1 & 3 take up the upper-left quarter and the lower-left quarter of the window respectively. 2 takes the entire right half. With larger monitors becomming the norm, this would be a great enhancement for those who would like to make better use of their horizontal space.