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Microsoft Confirms Work Begun on Next Xbox

Via 1up, an interview with Chris Lewis, head of Xbox Development in Europe. Along with some interesting discussion of X06 and aiming games at European markets, Lewis confirms what most people could reasonably expect: Microsoft is already hard at work on the next Xbox system. From the 1up article: "'You can't sit back on your laurels in this business - the consumer won't let you, the developers certainly won't let us. So that's happening right now,' ... In order to remain competitive, hardware manufacturers have to start thinking about the next cycle the moment work finishes on the current one. Ideas for the following generation were likely generated during the development of Xbox 360, and you can surely bet the same situations cropped up in the R&D rooms of Sony and Nintendo while working on PlayStation 3 and Wii."

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  1. So what Microsoft is trying to say is by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The XBox 360 is ALREADY outdated? :P

    I mean really, I don't want to buy a console that I know is just going to be replaced so soon.

    1. Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is by Churla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're new to this whole "buying technology" thing... aren't you?

      If it's not obsoleted within 5 years by new technology it's not technology, it's an small appliance.

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    2. Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is by also-rr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While the plural of anecdote is not data I have seen some evidence here that Microsoft may have released the 360 too soon. It's viewed (particuarly after the fact that the original Xbox was almost a non-entity in the UK market) as a generation 2.5 console no matter how innacurate that label may be.

      In fact the only real 'generation 3' console as far as the UK market is concerned seems to be the PS3, the Wii being a popular choice but more viewed as a toy than a games machine (which may not be a bad thing).

      The news that MS is already plotting a replacement may manage to further pigeonhole the 360 as old tech.

      (Contributing factor - in the UK costs are higher so the PS3 doesn't look as outrageous, since basic goods cost about 1.6 times more than in the US. Therefore the PS3 is, as a function of purchasing parity, 1.6 times less expensive than in the US. Certainly $500 for a games console isn't a big deal for most affluant UK households who will have two incomes of approx $40,000 each.)

    3. Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is by Bandman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What was the point of the 360?

      To take consumer money. Any way you look at it.

    4. Re:So what Microsoft is trying to say is by VJ42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Certainly $500 for a games console isn't a big deal for most affluant UK households who will have two incomes of approx $40,000 each.

      Where abouts do you live? I don't think I know anyone that earns that much, and I consider my family middle class; we live in a nice area in a City in the South of England. I certainly couldn't afford to waste £500 ($800) on a console, and IIRC that's what the PS3 is being released for over here. If we had paraty of price i.e it was being released at around £300; I still couldn't could justify it at launch (March 2007 here for us). £200 (well £170+ 2 games)for a Wii at launch (Yes, I've been sucked in by the hype, and even have a Wii pre-order*), is the top price I'm willing to pay for any toy (all consoles are just expensive toys), be it from Nintendo, Sony or MS.

      *My brother even says I've become a Nintendo Fanboi; I dispute this. :)

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  2. Re:So ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    C'mon now, the new console is 4 to 6 years off at least. Technology gets better and cheaper all the time. Uncross your eyes and get some perspective.

  3. Re:So ... by ifrag · · Score: 3, Insightful
    At the rate they're going, they are going to soon have the power of an enterprise server!
    So is the way of technological progression. Keep in mind the Xbox we now know does have the power of what an enterprise server had years ago. Same thing goes for your average desktop PC, it's now as powerful as the mainframes of old.
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  4. Standard practice by HarvardFrankenstein · · Score: 3, Informative
    This is nothing unusual. Both in games and in other areas of consumer electronics, even outside of electronics, once you've got a new product rolled out and selling, most companies will get to work on the next big thing. They have to. That new product that they just released isn't going to keeping selling forever. Eventually, customers are going to need something new to buy. The sooner you get started on it, the sooner you can give it to them.

    Not to mention, it's going to take Microsoft a good long time to finish designing their next XBox. Look at how down-to-the-wire things got with the 360, and look at how much Sony are struggling to get the PS3 out in a timely manner. They certainly wouldn't want to end up in that mess twice.

  5. that'll show you by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That'll show the people who said MS was only getting into the console business to milk people on the hardware treadmill!

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  6. Re:So ... by Clever7Devil · · Score: 5, Funny

    No no no, it was only the "360" so that they could have that crucial number "3" to compete with PlayStation's.

    Next generation gaming, welcome the "XBox 420" no next-gen console will be more fully-loaded. They've got real high hopes.

    Even better news: In reponse to the backlash on DRM, the XBox 420 will support ripping.

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  7. One thing is obvious by MBCook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think one thing is obvious about the next XBox: it won't have an optical drive. I would expect it to just have permenant storage (hard drive, possibly based on future technology) and use an internet conneciton to get games. We are getting close to there right now, so by the time the next XBox comes out in 4-6 years it should be well into prime-time for that. If MS can do as good a job with that as they have done with Live they will have a very nice package (assuming things continue as status quo).

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    1. Re:One thing is obvious by castlec · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that it isn't so obvious. I saw a blurb earlier today (not sure if it was dig or dot) that said some PS3 devs have already hit the current 25GB limit of bluray discs. 25GB is a lot to be downloading today, and tomorrow's games will be even heavier. In smaller countries, roll-out of newer networking technologies can happen quickly, but that's not so in the US, the major target market. 25GB will still be a painful download for most of the target market in 4-6 years and you can safely assume that the size of games will not be 25GB by then. Optical will still be here unless they can come up with another removable storage that can compete with it in terms of price.

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    2. Re:One thing is obvious by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But you can't generate cutscenes and CD quality audio with procedural techniques. This is why they are filling up the 25 GB. Although some of that 25 GB is due to larger textures, I would say that the majority of the space is being taken up by hi-res cutscenes and music. Look at Zelda, Ocarina of time. That game fit in 25 MB. The world was huge, and the game was great, but there were no cutscenes, and you had to read the text, not have it read to you. I'm not sure a lot of publishers are interested in creating games like this.

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    3. Re:One thing is obvious by grumbel · · Score: 2, Insightful
      But you can't generate cutscenes

      Cutscenes are for most part already realtime generated, they still take up some space, but much less then 1080p HD-TV. Filling 25GB with realtime generated cutscenes will take quite a while and probally not happen in any game ever, it simply is to expensive to produce.

      and CD quality audio with procedural techniques.

      You can fit like 70 hours of speech on a single DVD, most games hardly reach 10 hours of speech, so even with a DVD you should have plenty of space for your audio needs. Music itself can be quite easily generated procedurally and if there are some spare CPU cycles left, we might see that again as well.

      If you look at the games from the last 10 years you will also notice something: games no longer get any larger in terms of the gameworld, they only get more detailed and that detail can for most part be generated procedurally and those parts that can't should be small enough to fit on a DVD.

  8. Re:So ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Same thing goes for your average desktop PC, it's now as powerful as the mainframes of old.

    No no, let's put this in perspective. I used to have this old P90-based IBM server. I think it was combo PCI+MCA, and it had about 14 drive bays in the front. Mine came loaded with 11 2.25 GB UWSCSI disks (IBM DFHS S2W - I remember this because I had tons of them around for ages afterward.)

    But the important part of this comment is that one of the pieces of hardware that it came with was an IBM mainframe card. That's right - all the key parts of one of those IBM "mainframes of old" on a single full-length microchannel card.

    I ended up scrapping the system into tiny bits and throwing away everything but the hard drives, because by the time I got it, it was already an antique.

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  9. Re:Of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    we refer to my friends xbox soley as a halo machine.

  10. Yeah, everyone does this. by Tarlus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before the GameCube came out (before it was even called the GameCube) there were already plans underway for the underlying technology under the Wii's (Revolution's) hood. The power of the Playstation 3 was already demonstrated about the time that the PS2 hit the market. The major names in the console market never sit idly and just watch their sales; they're always working on the next major step. Even in Windows, we see this... The successor to Vista is already under development, and has been for quite some time.

    I'll probably be modded for redundancy, but it's a point that I wanted to make clear.

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  11. Ideas for next-generation system by cgenman · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Hardware HDR. Just give us a really broad palette to work with, and handle the HDR on-chip.

    Profile login on a Sim card in the controller. The Xbox 1 had the right idea, but they milked the memory card price too much. Register your controller on the network by popping in a tiny / cheap sim card.

    Network Storage. My web host offers 400 GB of storage and a ridiculous amount of bandwidth for not much more than a Live Gold account. Drop the hassle of memory cards, jump to Sim cards, and store the basic game info remotely.

    Pad-based controller recharging.

    Game Modding and user-created content. I don't know how this would happen, but it needs to happen.

    Physics co-processor. There is enough particles bouncing these days that we should have some special purpose iron to help with the load.

    1. Re:Ideas for next-generation system by cgenman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, I should have been more clear. Not an HDR display, but HDR rendering tricks for traditional displays.

      More details on Wikipedia.

    2. Re:Ideas for next-generation system by @madeus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hardware HDR. Just give us a really broad palette to work with, and handle the HDR on-chip.

      I think that's a reasonable request.

      Profile login on a Sim card in the controller. The Xbox 1 had the right idea, but they milked the memory card price too much. Register your controller on the network by popping in a tiny / cheap sim card.

      Network Storage. My web host offers 400 GB of storage and a ridiculous amount of bandwidth for not much more than a Live Gold account. Drop the hassle of memory cards, jump to Sim cards, and store the basic game info remotely.


      I can't agree with either of those though, I think that's just something that sounds cool but wouldn't be practical.

      Having storage online would mean I wouldn't be able to continue saved games when there is a network problem or when X-Box live is down for maintenance (as it was last night, for hours!), which would be too annoying. If you've got a username/password already (and your X-Box can remember that, which it can) their really isn't any need to have a sim card with that information on it.

      The only use I can see would be taking it round to a friends house to record the result of any two player games (and maybe as a gimmick tied into store promotions, etc). Maybe it would be useful in a household with multiple users of the X-Box. While something like that would be cool I suspect the percentage of people who'd make use of a 'roaming profile' is very small. I think the existing system works really well and everyone seems happy with it.

      Pad-based controller recharging.

      The current system on the 360 is already as good as it's going to get - if the battery is flat the game auto-pauses, and plugging in the cord allows you continue playing and re-charges the controller while you play. Something like induction mat charging for PDA's and phones is worth while exploring, but it makes no sense for a controller as then you wouldn't be able to use it while it's charging.

      Game Modding and user-created content. I don't know how this would happen, but it needs to happen.

      I imagine it could happen fairly easily using a system like X-Box live market place, where users could vote to rank content. I think Microsoft just need need to open up the market place a bit more and make it easier for individual developers / small teams to get content listed (though I'd still like to see quality control in place).

      Physics co-processor. There is enough particles bouncing these days that we should have some special purpose iron to help with the load.

      I agree the next generation should definately support a hardware accelerated physics engine, though I suspect something integrated into the GPU is how it's going to go. The interactivity in the PC version of GRAW really made it stand out against the 360 version (which I thought was otherwise generally superior). I'm not sure if it's the case, but it seemed like they'd already pushed the X-Box so far graphically (certainly for a near-launch title) there just wasn't more 'oomf' left for the more complex physics of the PC version (which comparatively, doesn't look quite as good I would say - due to differences in the lighting).

      While the technology in GRAW was certainly more than 'good enough' to deliver superb gameplay, I would be disappointed not to see a great deal more interactivity in the next generation of console games, though I expect their will be titles on the 360 and PS3 that will feature some great interactive enviornments.

  12. Re:So ... by frosty_tsm · · Score: 2, Funny

    So this explains the smoke coming from my power supply!

  13. Did Sega do the same? by pluke · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sega must have done the same when they were finishing the Dreamcast. I wonder at what stage the abandoned the plan and what they were planning to release?

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  14. Here we go... by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Badly-done photoshop mockups of the "really real new leaked Xbox design" in 3..2..1..

  15. Re:So ... by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, and operating system and application bloat has matched increased processing power step for step.

  16. Portable XBOX under development by patrixmyth · · Score: 3, Funny

    They are working with SUN to develop a portable XBOX to compete with PSP. If you look a few stories earlier you can find the prototype, codenamed "Blackbox".

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  17. Trojan Horse by Deluxe_247 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The strategy of the original XBOX was based on what Sony tried to do with their PlayStation 2 console - instead of being just a game console they wanted to be an entire family entertainment Hub.. No console yet has satisfied that goal, or even come close in my mind. 360 is getting better with their live content, but it is still HIGHLY lacking.

    The normal lifecycle of these consoles is ~5years. It doesn't surprise me in the least that they would start the planning stages already - it will give them a legup on being first to market with the NextGen when the time comes. In this industry that type of advantage creates major waves - just look at how it worked for the 360 compared with the (not yet released) PS3. If the PS3 came out first and had some decent launch games, I might have picked it up and skipped the 360 (thank god for favorable coincidences!)

    So the next XBOX will have (dun dun dun!) more powerful Graphics than the 360, PS3, or Wii (gee that was hard to guess.) Beyond that I see them really expanding on the LIVE portion of their service. Right now they offer games, demos, and weak selection of music and videos(mostly game related) ... Where is the iTunes relative content? I want to download a *WIDE* variety of TV shows, Videos, Music, etc on DEMAND (sorta like cable TV.) That's where the next step is going - You won't need cable, because everything you want to watch you'll be able to pull down from live the day after it airs. Of course, this is possible with the current 360 now, so shouldn't be much of a surprise.

    Of course, it will likely be first to market with the 'latest and greatest' tech stuff... i.e. today we have BluRay vs HD-DVD.. In 5 years who knows what the new 'hot' tech thing is, but im sure the XBOX will have some of it. I'd expect it to highly integrate with the ZUNE (which is probably where/when the music content will really ramp up on the system.)

    Long story short (too late), they only have things to gain in terms of preparing this early for the next Gen console, and likely all of us consumers will benefit because of it - Longer development (hopefully) means better quality overall, and they won't need to rush in order to enter the market behind the frontrunners. /opinion

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  18. Re:So ... by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, that was the joke.

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  19. Re:So ... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Funny

    go easy on him, he just found out that the snozzberries taste like snozzberries.

  20. Xbox 720? by mbrubeck · · Score: 2, Funny
    This is Microsoft, so the names will progress in a nice, predictable fashion:
    • Xbox
    • Xbox 360
    • Xbox 2009
    • Xbox TQ
    • Xbox Sky
    • Xbox Server 2017 Professional Media Pro Edition
  21. The only thing they could do to improve by mrjimorg · · Score: 2, Funny

    I heard that its going to have a Wiimote... I mean Xmote controller whos position and direction can be accurately detected. And it will have a killer game called The Lengend of X-elda.

  22. Re:Good ole monopolistic competition. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 4, Interesting

    according to TFA the 360 wont be replaced until sometime after 2010, so NO not 3 years. more like 5 or 6

    I think the thing people don't realize is that the Xbox 360 didn't come early... the Xbox 1 came late.. the 360 was pretty much right on time. The Dreamcast kicked off the last gen in 1999 and The Xbox wasn't released until more then 3 years later, Sony had planned to release the following spring but was delayed, Nintendo almost always launches late (so they can have competitive tech at a lower price). The fact that Sony is launching the same time as Nintendo shows that they're late in this genreation. The fact that MS launched the same time as Nintendo last time showed that they were late to the last generation.

  23. The widening gyre by LogicHoleFlaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course they're working on a new system. Inevitably during any project you have to draw a line and say "This is as far as we go." Anything beyond that goes into the next iteration. Video game systems are part of a cycle. If you want to stay in the game you always have to be looking at least 5 years down the road.

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  24. Re:So ... by dlim · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they want to keep the youth market, they're going to need back-to-back Xbox 1080s, at least.

  25. Re:Good ole monopolistic competition. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Informative
    If the Xbox 360 was right on time, why are the other 'next gen' consoles (Wii & PS3) showing up so now?
    You must have missed the various news & /. articles from game industry developers who were pissed off that the PS3 launch kept getting pushed back from last spring. I also don't recall many actual news articles or developer comments about MS's release date, IIRC it was more backlash from gamers and /.ers then it was from actual news sources or developers.

    You must have also missed the part where I explained that Nintendo has launched late in nearly every generation. The SNES, N64, Gamecube, and now Wii will be launching at least 1 year (or more) from the start of their respective generations.
  26. Re:So ... by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Simple...The Wii's code name during that period was Revolution. Microsoft has never had anything even close to an original idea, so they basically "copied" Nintendo's name to come up with 360.

  27. Re:Microsoft will pay YOU to buy this one! by n0d3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Makes one wonder how a departmen can rectify loosing 1.2B on a console and still try again a 3rd time.

    I don't remember the numbers on the original XBox, but the 360 seems to be in the minus 1.2billion.

    Sure Sony has a lot of money backing itself up too, but what company would stay competing loss after loss after loss. I guess someone REALLY wants to be a big player in the console market. I wonder how many chairs need to go flying about before they just give up...

  28. R&D now is fine, totally fine but,.. by AbRASiON · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For the love of god, don't fucking start shortening the god damned fucking release cycles again you bastards!

    I've said it a thousand times.

    The Xbox 1 is a 4.5 year old unit, it's by far the most powerful and some still quite attractive games are released for it - yet it was the FIRST to get a replacement?! - Value for money? Hello
    JUST as it was taking off properly, Microsoft shot it - way too early and now they are wondering why people hesitate to purchase the X360./

    The PS2 on the other hand is damn near 6 years old now and substantially less powerful than the Xbox yet it's replacement is STILL not out - value for money is GOOD, sure it's time for a PS3 but I feel anyone who bought a PS2 at launch (if it lasted, that's a seperate matter) got value for money.

    Now I can understand researching the Xbox 360 replacement but if those motherfuckers release it Nov 2009, only 4 years after the X360 I'll be pissed, especially considering how little support the Xbox 1 has received in the past 12 months.

    The X360 should be thoroughly "milked" as long as possible - gives US value for money and THEM money cause we buy it, plus we'll consider the Xbox 3 or whatever if the X360 is properly supported.
    Considering the track record so far though,........