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No Ice on the Moon

eldavojohn writes "In 1994, there was speculation that there might be a southern ice cap on the moon — something our exploration of it could take advantage of. Unfortunately, recent evidence has come to light revealing that this probably isn't true." From the article: "If there is any ice at the South Pole, it probably comes from tiny, scattered grains that probably account for only one or two percent of the local dust, the authors suggest. "Any planning for future exploitation of hydrogen at the Moon's South Pole should be constrained by this low average abundance rather than by the expectation of localized deposits at higher concentrations," the paper says soberly. The research involved sending a radar signal from the Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico. The signal hit the southern lunar region and the reflection was picked up by the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia." Well, it looks like we're going to have to hit Hoth before we hold that kegger on the moon."

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  1. Green Bank Telescope by penix1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The research involved sending a radar signal from the Arecibo telescope in Puerto Rico. The signal hit the southern lunar region and the reflection was picked up by the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia


    I live in WV and have seen the Green Bank Telescope. Impressive radio telescope. Not as impressive as Arecibo though. I was expecting more like an array but it really is just one giant dish.

    Better link than in the story:

    http://www.gb.nrao.edu/

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  2. Ain't no whales either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're whalers on the moon, We carry a harpoon. But there ain't no whales So we tell tall tales And sing our whaling tune.

  3. Solution. by Rendo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just send a bunch of scornful women to the moon, and there will be LOTS of ice in no time.

    By that I mean, I hate my wife.

  4. Hardly a surprise, is it? by isolationism · · Score: 4, Informative

    Science fiction writers (the hard- variety) like Stephen Baxter have been lamenting the likelyhood of this eventuality for years now. Not that it isn't nice to at least have some closure, but on the other hand it seems like the news is little more than the last nail in the coffin for the most obvious pas-de-terre between Earth and space.

    There is one book--Manifold Space, I think it might be--that muses upon the notion that there may be some water deeply buried (e.g. 20+ kilometres) the surface, and all the difficulties involved in getting to it (e.g. standard mining techniques developed on Earth wouldn't work there for a host of reasons). Excellent book/series, incidentally. Strongly recommended for any space science enthusiasts.

  5. That's just silly by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sometimes stories just go back, and not forth. I suspect this is one of them.

    Back in the Apollo days, a Saturn V third stage was allowed to smash into the moon so seismographs could pick up the vibrations. This and other tests allowed scientists to get a basic idea of the moon's interior structure. A core or crust of ice would have been pretty obvious. If there was any ice, it would have to be just traces.

    Our instruments are getting increasingly better. This is a case of a hypothesis based on observations by a crude instrument being disproved by follow-up investigations by more sophisticated gear.

    I'm disappointed, but hey, the universe wasn't designed to things easy for us.

  6. One or two percent? That's rich ore. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gold is economical to extract from ore that has less than one ounce of gold per ton.

    Water is going to be more valuable than gold to someone on the Moon.

    Water is way easy to extract.

  7. well let's be careful by Quadraginta · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mmm, actually, the way it worked is this:

    (1) Clementine observed a particular wiggle in the radar reflection. At the time, it was thought the only reasonable way to get that wiggle was to have the radar reflect off ice. Huzzah! Ice! (Well, not really. It hasn't been directly observed -- no one's held it in their hand -- but it seemed no other explanation would account for the wiggle.)

    (2) Now someone has come up with an alternative explanation for the wiggle, and demonstrated that you can get it from areas (sunlit areas) which really shouldn't have ice. Throws cold water, so to speak, on the idea that only ice can make the radar signature wiggle.

    But does this mean no ice? Nope. Now we have two explanations for Clementine's observation: ice or some surface roughness thingy. Which is the right cause? Could be ice, could be merely rough rocks, could be both.

    So it's not that ice on the Moon has been disproved. It's that a previous proof (or strong suggestion of) ice on the Moon has been shown to be in error. Doesn't mean the ice isn't there. Just means we no longer know (or think we know) whether it is or not. Have to go take a shovel and find out, I think.

  8. Geek Card Revoked! by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 4, Informative

    OK, whoever gave this a +1 Informative mod - hand over your Geek Card! You are no longer a card-carrying Geek. Please take a Dork card on your way out. (Geeks know that radio waves and light are two different ways to refer to the same thing, and that yes, it matters if you block it when you're talking about a telescope observing any part of the spectrum.)

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