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Calorie Burning Coke Coming Soon
The Fun Guy writes "Coca-Cola and Nestle are getting together to introduce a new beverage "proven to burn calories". Enviga will be in the U.S. Northeast in November, nationwide in January 2007. How does it burn calories? With green tea extracts, calcium, and caffeine. No word on how many milligrams caffeine per can. "
It's quite simple, actually. It's like celery. It takes more energy for you to consume it and your body to subsequently break the food down than is actually contained within the food.
And yes, though their methodology wasn't mentioned in this article, I've seen other places where they did run lab tests and concluded that the people who drank this stuff burned a couple extra calories. They do mention the tests in this press release. Also, they never claim that it's going to make you lose weight. It specifically says that it burns a few extra calories if you drink xyz amount per day.
P.S. I call shenanigans on your Ph.D. Either that, or you just didn't read the article. Either way.
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Bogus? For a given value of "bogosity".
I think it is quite possible that they have a formulation that increases metabolic rate somewhat. But the implied promise is that it will help you lose weight. Unless they've developed something like antabuse for calories, it probably won't happen. The problem is that it's very easy to sit down to a meal with 2000 or even 3000 calories; you'd have to rev your metabolism up to inhuman levels in order to absorb that without offsetting exercise. Probably if you washed down a bag of chips with six pack of this stuff, any safe level of metabolic change would be dwarfed by the calories in the chips.
If humans had a very high metabolic rate, like a bird of a mouse, marginal changes in the rate would yield big differences. But if that were the case we wouldn't have obesity problems.
There are other substances that have been shown to have metabolic effects of the type claimed in animals. Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) has been demonsrated to cause cattle to gain somewhat more lean muscle mass and less fat. This proves that metabolism changes alone can alter fat and muscle formation in mammals. However, so far as I know nothing like the cow results have been demonstrated in humans, although I'm sure it's been tried. A human is a very different animal than a cow in a feedlot. IANAR, but it is my understanding typical cow goes from a bit over 500 pounds as a yearling to well over a thousand pounds when it's brought to market. That's a lot of weight gain, and tiny marginal differences in lean mass gain add up. Maybe if you started kids in the first grade and made them drink a six pack a day until they reached their adult height you might see some difference. But for your 30 year old overweight computer hacker, losing weight by drinking Coke is a pipe dream.
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If it is ice cold then your body must burn calories to warm it up to 98.2 F / or 36.8 C (the REAL average human body temperature - 98.6 is what you get when you round 36.8C upto 37C then convert Farenhiet).
One calorie (phyics) will raise one gram of water one degree. 454 grams = 16 ounces. So to raise 16 ounces of ice cold water from 0.8 C to 36.8 takes 36*454= 16,344 calories. But please note when talking about food, what we call a calorie is actually what a physicist calls a KILOcalorie, so we do the conversion and:
Drinking one nearly ice cold water 16 ounce bottle of water will burn about 16 calories.
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Every month in wired there's an "found: artifacts from the future" picture. a few months ago it featured a soft drink product with negative calories.
Also there is a food already available that for all intents and purposes contains negative calories: Celery
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Diet Pepsi Slurpees have been out for about three years now. A 32-ounce drink has essentially zero calories, and since it's mostly ice, it should take about 100 calories to drink one:
900 grams of Slurpee * 80 cal/g (to melt the ice to 0 celsius) = 72000
900 grams of Slurpee * 1 cal/g/degree * 37 degrees (to raise the fluid to body heat) = 33596
total 105596 calories or 105 Kcal (the food calorie)
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I take it there's no sugar in this crap. I assume it's got Aspartame in it. This meands migraine sufferes and epileptics cant drink it.
When diet coke came out I drank a bunch. And had a seizure. "But I'm not epileptic" says I. "You are now" says the doctor. "Aspartame is well known to aggrivate epilepsy and migrains but they wat they pushed Aspartame through the FDA was unsusual and we didn't find out till later. There will be no warning labels".
It used to be you could look for the pink Nutra-Sweet (sic) swirl but that's gone and now you have to be really careful this crap is in everything from most gum to nearly all soft drinks whether they say diet or not: case i point that new coffee/coke drik coke makes. Sugar ana Aspartame.
Enough already.
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Drinking coke is associated with lower bone density in women. So if you don't like the prosprect of brittle bones in old age (osteoporosis), you may want to drink something else.
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Diet soda is more about marketing.
Switching to chemical drinks or chemical food will not magically make you loose weight. If it did, you should be alarmed.
If your body/mind craves sugar/fat, and you give it fake sugar or fake fat, not only will it taste bad, but your body/mind will find other foods to make up for the false foods.
Moderation would be the key thing to learn. If you switch to diet soda, and then find your self up-sizing to the half-gallon diet soda, then obviously you have not figured out moderation.
I don't know if this new drink is just the latest fake food from coke, but I am pretty sure it's not going to magically make skinny people.
Since I have seen this a few times, let me clarify that a "large" calorie (the ones used in food labeling) is the amount of energy needed to raise a kilogram of water 1 degree C. So, assuming you drink a liter of water at 0 C, you burn 37 calories as your body raises the temperature of the water up to body temperature.
So, roughly speaking, for every 100 liters of ice water you drink you lose a pound of body fat...
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I'm pretty sure the negative calories comes from the energy required to break it down so you can metabolize what energy it DOES contain. Squeezing all the juice out kind of defeats the purpose.
What it's doing is exactly what Caffiene already does taken in large quantities.
It gets you wired. If you actually get up and move around to work off that sensation, yeah, you'll burn fat. DUH.
But if you don't, and you just sit around being wired, you won't burn a damn thing. Because the drink is not altering your metabolism.
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I make my own drink: plain, unsweetened green tea with black pepper. I drink it on my 7-mile bike ride to work while fasting. My body has no choice but to burn fat - my wife loves the result. I suspect the sugar in Enviga is the problem. Also, the proven energy burning benefits of green tea require exercise - swigging Enviga while sitting in a chair is certainly not going to help.
...post-graduate work?
Two post-docs and a current appointment as a research assistant professor. Is that good enough for you?
First off, your sentence is broken because you inserted "obtained" recklessly.
Typo, so sue me. This is Slashdot after all.... But the sentiment of the statement and overall construction stands.
Secondly, your position disagrees with Snopes.
And Snopes is the end all be all? Seriously though, there are other things like celery that we *could* eat, that will be indigestible and will cause you some effort to pass. Think dirt. To be fair, you get this though from your point on Metamucil.
Thirdly, your use of the thermic effect of food is a bit wonky. 10% is, first off, an average estimate.
Thus my utilization of "*might*" in the original post. One always wonders how much effort to put into a post on Slashdot for fear of going beyond many readers.
Even drinking cold water causes you to burn calories. Your body ends up doing the work to bring the water up to body temperature. How would digesting a highly fibrous water-stalk not take effort?
Who is saying that it is not possible to alter basic metabolism? If you cause a system to perform work without putting energy back into it, there will be a net loss, but the original point of the Coca Cola beverage being touted as "burning calories" is pretty easy to get through the system. There is no fiber to digest, right?
Yes, celery has a few digestible kcals per stalk, but you more than outstrip that in digestion. Will those extra burned calories make a marked difference? God no, but you're still on the wrong side of the argument.
You appear to be arguing with somebody else here as again, there is no fiber or cellulose in Energia to digest. What they are claiming is that their drink upregulates metabolism and causes one to burn more calories because you consume Energia.
I certainly hope I never need any of your work.
I hope that you do not either as I study the effects of retinal degenerations and how to intervene to save vision loss. If you needed my primary work, then you'd be in trouble. That said, we are developing technologies in the metabolomic space that can be applied to many other applications from cancer research to heart disease, drug development, agaronomics and defense, so perhaps you *might* need them someday? You would likely not know it, but you very well may benefit from our work.
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Don't be an ass. You have said nothing here that is really of substance other than arguing loose points that appear to be aimed at other people statements.
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