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Reporter's Story — How HP Kept Tabs On Me

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "An outside lawyer working for H-P, John Schultz, yesterday told Wall Street Journal reporter Pui-Wing Tam how H-P's investigators collected information on her for a year, scoping out her trash and compiling a dossier on her phone calls. From Tam's article about her time spent, unwittingly, under surveillance: 'H-P's agents had my photo and reviewed videotaped footage of me, said Mr. Schultz, of the law firm of Morgan, Lewis & Bockius. They conducted "surveillance" by looking for me at certain events to see if I would show up to meet an H-P director. (I didn't.) They also carried out "pre-trash inspections" at my suburban home early this year, Mr. Schultz said. ... But what was surprising were the questions Mr. Schultz left unanswered: How did H-P's agents get my phone numbers in the first place? When did they review videotaped footage of me? Did their gumshoes park their cars outside my house at night? And what the heck is pre-trash inspection?'"

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  1. Stalking by cdn-programmer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this qualify as stalking? Perhaps corporate stalking?

    1. Re:Stalking by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Funny

      only if the hp thugs leave things like burnt teddie bears or roses dripping blood on her doorstep, hide in the bushes and masturbate, call her and hang up all the time, steal her unwashed underwear and wear them on their faces, and write her long, rambling emotional emails that don't make much sense

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    2. Re:Stalking by CorSci81 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, that's called stalking? I thought it was just how you let someone know you liked them. Guess /. was a bad place to learn my dating skills.

    3. Re:Stalking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Guess /. was a bad place to learn my dating skills.

      You know, there really needs to be some sympathy here. It can get lonely in the bushes.

    4. Re:Stalking by NoStrings · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just remember:

      Nothing says "I love you" like a restraining order.

      /Not speaking from personal experience.

    5. Re:Stalking by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why should a high profile press reporter have any more "privacy" than Britney Spears? After all, look how much stuff the tabloids get to publish legally! Don't think it's not legal... there just isn't any money in tracking random reporters like they do hollywood stars.. unless a big corp is bankrolling it. Think of the "hidden cameras" and "riveting exposes" you see on the boob tube and supermarket news racks.. YES, they can do that to you too! Don't like people randomly reading your emails to teenage boys? Don't like that bad day you had and hopped in the car wihtout the carseat? How about that skinny dip you didn't think anybody knew about? not so funny any more is it.. to bad it's part of the game every body pays to watch.

    6. Re:Stalking by modest+apricot · · Score: 4, Funny

      conference calls.

  2. incomplete disclosure by strspn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the article in the Journal this morning. What really pissed me off was the way that all the really uncomfortable details from powerpoint slides that HP had already turned over to Congress were excluded from the materials provided to Ms. Tam in person. For example, the fact that they not only pulled her phone records, but those of everyone she had been calling and taking calls from on her cellphone. This was while she was planning a sister's wedding.

  3. Only the beginning... by 10100111001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the power of corporations continues to grow unchecked, we could come upon a time when some corporations monitor their employees 24 hours a day, in there homes, at play, wherever, and to do anything outside of the company rules would mean termination. It would be in the company's best interest to do so.

    Sort of like how they can do drug testing now.

    1. Re:Only the beginning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "You watch too many movies."

      You obviously have never had a heart to heart talk with someone that works in HR or a corporate investigator.

      These sorts of things happen more often than most sheeple...oosp! I mean people...think. 99.99% of the time they just don't come to the surface.

      Sure physical surveillance is costly, but there are large corps and services that are constantly scanning public records, private records, and running spiders on the web to mine data about their employees and the employees of their competition. Don't fool yourself. Nothing is secret any more.

      X-CIA/NSA employees have to do something to earn a living once they are out :-)

      P.S. And remember to always read those information release forms you sign when starting a new job.

    2. Re:Only the beginning... by ZWithaPGGB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This, along with all the other reasons trotted out daily in Dilbert, is why the large corporations can't invent anything. The best and brightest won't work for them. The "Search for Talent" was the cover sotry on last week's Economist. Too bad the corporate drones don't get that their risk averseness, in all things, is why they can't hire and retain the best and the brightest. Wait, I'm an entrepreneur, that means I get the smart ones that HP doesn't! Yippeeee!!!!

      Foosball, blimps, bring your dog to work, and LAN parties for the gamers aren't frivolity, they help productivity, in my experience. Costs a lot less than hiring private eyes to just keep your employees HAPPY!!!

  4. How many laws broken?? by necro2607 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    heh. "The scandal, which became public last month, has spurred the departures of three executives and three H-P directors"

    Departures..? What about criminal charges??!

    "According to the California attorney general, H-P's investigators also used the last four digits of my Social Security number to impersonate me in order to obtain my phone records, a technique known as "pretexting.""

    OK, if I'm not mistaken it's completely illegal to impersonate someone, and also, are phone records not considered "private" information? In such a case there's not only impersonation but right-to-privacy laws that have been treaded upon...

    1. Re:How many laws broken?? by dbIII · · Score: 5, Funny
      If I read your diary without your permission you can't have me arrested. Jesus.

      Back a second time eh? If I catch you reading it I'll have you crucified! Pilate.

  5. Re:Err... by emc · · Score: 5, Informative

    The /. summary fails to mention the fact that the whole reason this person was being "snooped" upon is because HP was trying to figure out who was leaking information to the press.
    This is true, but what affect does that really have on the fact that the privacy of this person was violated because of some maniacal CEO felt slighted.

    If the people that did this (including the private investigators) don't rot in jail, we need to worry about our own privacy... not only would it be OK for the government to violate our privacy, but that would open the doors to corporations doing the same thing.

    IMHO this is just as disconcerting, if not more so than what AT&T and the NSA are doing...

  6. Hacking, anyone? by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Bryan Wagner of Littleton, Colo., allegedly used the last four digits of my Social Security number and my home phone number to set up an AT&T online account for my local phone service.
    How is this different from the "social engineering" that Kevin Mitnick did? He phoned people and used pretexting to gain access to computer systems. Interesting that when someone rich and powerful does it, it is called "pretexting", yet, when an ordinary person does it, it is called "hacking".
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  7. Um, no. by Darlantan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is one of those points where we don't need more legislation, we need people to educate themselves and pick up the responsibility for their own actions. It's not the government's problem if you don't shred sensitive documents, and it shouldn't be. It's not like there is a shortage of cheap paper shredding machines -- you have hands, they can do the job if you're really cheap. If I toss papers with information on my bank account out without shredding, I don't expect them to be any more secure than leaving my ATM card sitting on the sidewalk.

    Laws aren't going to fix things here, they just give us a method of reacting. The old saying "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." still applies. Suck it up and take some responsibility for yourself, stop shovelling it off on the government.

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  8. Re:Taking out the trash by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 4, Funny

    clearly, you need to start leaving an EULA on your trash: "By reading this, you agree to an exclusive binding legal contract with [name] as to the nature of all dealing with this trash. This trash is not discarded property. This trash remains the property of [name] until such time as those individuals designated for its collection for immediate disposal remove it. At such time, ownership of this trash will transfer to the designated collecters (or their employing agency) for the explicit purpose of immediate disposal. Those found tampering with this trash will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. This contract shall be construed as being formed under the law of the State of California unless otherwise prohibited by local law of competent juristiction."
    That should stop the snoopers!

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