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Boy Scouts Introduce Merit Badge For Not Pirating

The_Slaughter writes "The MPAA has recruited the boy scouts of America to do their dirty work. Scouts will now be able to learn a merit badge for anti-piracy related activities, including creating public service announcements urging others not to steal movies or music. No word yet on if that includes helping the MPAA file lawsuits against 80-year-old grandmothers."

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  1. Scouts Honor.... by MECC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Scouts also must choose one activity from a list that includes visiting a movie studio to see how many people can be harmed by film piracy. They also can create public service announcements urging others not to steal movies or music." And complete a lobotomy.

    Do they also have merit badges for not thinking independently? Or one for having your IQ reduced to a single digit and being converted to a near-mindless automaton?

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    1. Re:Scouts Honor.... by MattGWU · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, it's called the "You don't HAVE to do any merit badges you don't want to do." merit badge. The one requirement is you DON'T DO THE BADGE. It's a total gimmie, it's great. Nobody is holding a gun to some kids head to do the badge.

      My prediction: If it's easy, scouts will do the badge. You don't have to believe in it, you just have to do it, and damn if there's nothing better than an easy merit badge for that extra Eagle palm or whatever.

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    2. Re:Scouts Honor.... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Why does this have to be a partisan issue instead of a cut and dry, "creepy old man" issue?
      It's an election year for Congress, plus it's karmic retribution for the Lewinsky scandal.
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    3. Re:Scouts Honor.... by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So do you think there should be a merit badge about not-breaking every law, or just the most important ones (murder/rape/filesharing)?

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    4. Re:Scouts Honor.... by 644bd346996 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your comment almost perfectly hits the mark. The only thing is that there are still a few troops that accomplish the original purpose. They are actively being repressed by the higher levels, but there are ways to deal with them. It is only through the efforts of a few extremely patient and caring men, mostly Eagles, that some troops can stick to BP's ideals. Unfortunately, these men are almost entirely absent from the organization above the troop level.

    5. Re:Scouts Honor.... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, more likely to be like the kids in "Jesus Camp".

      You get to people young enough- you define who they are and what they feel is right and wrong.

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    6. Re:Scouts Honor.... by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, I feel that the scout organization has fallen so far from its original intended roots that it's nothing but a special interest shadow of its former self

      I was a boy scout, got my Eagle, have been a Cub Scout leader for the last few years and just recently became the Varsity Team Coach (Varsity is the 14-15 year-old boys), so I have a very good view of what Scouting actually is, as opposed to what it appears to be in the press.

      My take is that your perception is driven primarily by the special interests who have decided to attack scouting based on the two tenets of the program they don't like: homosexuality and religion. The scouting organizations actually have very little problem with either of those, and spend no time at all worrying about them. The prohibition on homosexual and pedophile leaders is very sensible, in my opinion, and the religious position is both open (must profess faith in *some* god) and not really enforced.

      Scouting is a great program that does a tremendous amount of good. It's precisely because it's such a valuable program that people who object to a couple of its tenets like to attack it. Don't take their attacks to mean that the program has changed.

      Anyway, I need to get back to planning next year's High Adventure camp. We're going to do a week-long, 100-mile rafting trip, most of it through the inaccessible canyons of the Colorado River above the Grand Canyon. I'm actually not so much planning it as putting together the framework for planning it, because the boys will do the real planning themselves.

      That's what scouting is about. Self-sufficiency, outdoor skills, teamwork, preparedness and the moral strength and integrity that are developed by doing hard things in a place that no one can cover for you. Oh, and fun. Lots of fun.

      Doesn't stop people from trying to use Scouting to score political points, but we try to ignore those people.

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    7. Re:Scouts Honor.... by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without getting too political, Bush has lied under oath as well. He swore to uphold the constitution, but then ordered that people be held without access to courts, attorneys, etc. It went to the Supreme Court and was deemed that those orders violated the constitutional rights of the people being held and the Bush administration then said "ok, we'll stop doing that." But the thing is, just because Bush felt that it was constitutional doesn't mean that it's OK until a court says otherwise. It means that he was in violation of those constitutional rights all along. Bush should be impeached for breaking his oath.

    8. Re:Scouts Honor.... by Pollux · · Score: 4, Insightful
      God forbid the Boy Scouts teach kids how to obey the law!

      As an Eagle Scout, I can say first-hand that the Boy Scouts DOES teach scouts how to obey the law. Here are a few examples:

      • One of the twelve points of the Scout Law (a moral code which all scouts pledge to follow and uphold) is that every scout is obedient, to leaders, and to the law.

      • Scouts, as they work towards their Eagle Scout rank, are required to obtain the Citizenship in the Community, Nation, and World merit badges (three separate badges) that teach scouts how the law is created, legal methods in changing and upholding law, as well as what it means to be good citizens in the community.

      However, I am personally sad to see special interest groups who are imposing a political agenda upon scouts. Once upon a time, scouting was about kids discovering themselves. While there was a core set of requirements which every scout was expected to achieve as they worked their way up the ranks (the basic skills of camping, first aid, being a leader...), there were hundreds of merit badges which scouts could work towards and earn, depending on what interests they had. A great example of this was when Spielberg, himself an Eagle Scout, helped create the Cinematography merit badge, for any scout who may have an interest in learning more about movie making. Looking back, the most amazing thing about scouts was all the opportunities I had to learn about new things, as well as all the people who willingly worked so hard to offer me those opportunities.

      Nowadays, I feel more and more that special-interest groups, including but not limited to the RIAA, are seeing scouting as a vehicle for "indoctrinating" their agendas onto future leaders of America (and believe you me when I say that Eagle Scouts truly are leaders). I was asked last year by a parent if I could be a merit badge counselor for the Computer merit badge. As the tech coordinator at my school, I thought it would be a great chance to catch-up with boy scouts again. I opened up the merit-badge book, and lo-and-behold, one of the requirements to obtain the merit badge was for scouts to be able to understand and give examples of piracy, whether it was burning CDs or P2P. This had NOTHING to do with learning about computers, how they work, learning about how to create documents, spreadsheets, and databases, and programming a computer. This was a political agenda, and it didn't sit well with me.

      Scouts are certainly educated every day about how to be obedient to the rules and be good citizens of this country. But I want scouts to find and grow their own ideals, not have them spoon-fed by the RIAA.
    9. Re:Scouts Honor.... by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a big difference between saying "no I did not have relations with this woman" while knowing you did, and saying "I swear to uphold the constitution", and then doing something which in your opinion doesn't violate the constitution and then having someone else determine that it does. One is intentional, the other accidental. One is a deliberate lie, the other is an accidental failure to keep a promise.

      Unless, ofcourse, you can show that Bush deliberately set out to violate the Constitution.

    10. Re:Scouts Honor.... by monoqlith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't let this one go. Republican strategists tried for all 8 years of Clinton's presidency to nail him, they hated him so. The fact that the most credible charge they could come up with was lying about the Lewinsky affair(which was, I admit, stupid and unnecessary) is a testament to his relative integrity as a politician. He was under such heavy scrutiny from the Republican congress that they would have nailed him to the cross had he done something else even remotely as morally reprehensible. But none of preceding accusations levied against him held water, so they were left with the stupid Lewinsky tapes. This is not to excuse him, but to simply show that we once had a competent and relatively honest creature for our president.

      This all lies in contrast, of course, to our current president, whose resignation you apparently aren't calling for. He hasn't been held accountable for a single false, misleading, or outright deceptive public statement, of which there are plenty to cite. Some say that these lies have directly resulted in as many as half a million deaths. The only reason he has gotten away with them is because he has encountered virtually no resistance or scrutiny from Congress, and has skillful deceptive tactictians who, in a very real, cynical, Machiavellian sense, have artfully deceived the entire world, America included, into turning over as much power as possible to them and their cronies. Heavy accusations, I know. But unlike many of the Republican accusations against Clinton, these hold water.

      So what I suppose you are really complaining about is that Clinton got caught.

    11. Re:Scouts Honor.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do people lump homosexuals and pedophiles into the same group?

      As an adult hetrosexual male, do you have the desire to fondle a female child?

    12. Re:Scouts Honor.... by jZnat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One is a deliberate lie, and the other has set us back hundreds of years.

      Yeah, I completely see how perjury is far more severe than shitting on the US Constitution on a daily basis while in the federal government.

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    13. Re:Scouts Honor.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      think cheating on your wife is an immoral thing to do, but I understand why some people might do it, and it doesn't really speak to his competence as a president. Lying under oath on the other hand is something I have a huge problem with.

      I don't think that lying under oath is wrong in all situations, especially since if you don't take the oath they just throw the proverbial book at you. This is a case in which they were asking Clinton questions that were none of their fucking business. Answering them would have disgraced not only Clinton, but also his wife and his lover, not that she was too worried about disgrace - she was only concerned about money once the whole thing came to light.

      An old, old concept of honor is that you cannot reasonably be held to an oath made under duress of force, which is precisely what we're talking about here.

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    14. Re:Scouts Honor.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      There's a big difference between saying "no I did not have relations with this woman" while knowing you did, and saying "I swear to uphold the constitution", and then doing something which in your opinion doesn't violate the constitution and then having someone else determine that it does. One is intentional, the other accidental.

      Oh, it's all become clear to me now! Bush accidentally ordered and approved of illegal wiretaps against citizens of the United States! Bush has been accidentally allowing people to be incarcerated and held without trial! Silly me! I guess he just slipped.

      The only thing more offensive than a politician willing to tread all over our freedoms in order to make a buck is the apologists who excuse all of his wrongdoing because it fits their political agenda.

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    15. Re:Scouts Honor.... by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People keep saying that.

      Voltaire was raised by the Jesuits, and people keep saying that.

      Adolph Schicklgruber grew up as a Jew. And people keep saying that.

      Statistically it may be true, but frequently there comes a time when a person decides to define himself by violently rejecting (some part of) what he was taught. The more coercively it was shoved down his throat, the more violent the reaction.

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    16. Re:Scouts Honor.... by sfjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It seems rather obvious to me... because the potential sexual interest, particularly between the leader and the older boys, may interfere in a variety of ways, some mild, some severe.

      I think this statement illustrates the homophobia in our society in general and Scouts in particular. For example, few people would raise an eyebrow at a heterosexual male coaching a high school girl's basketball team. Yet somehow gay men are supposedly unable to control themselves when around young men. I am reminded one time when a gay friend of mine was presented with this issue by a homophobe who was deathly afraid he would get cruised if he was arounf gay men. My friend told him, "You know, none of you straight men are nearly as hot and irresistible as you think you are".

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  2. fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing that fair use won't be part of the learning experience.

  3. Positively Orwellian ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This reminds me of the children in 1984 who were trained to turn anyone who may have comitted a thought-crime.

    I realize the Boy Scouts like to try to teach morals and the like, but it doesn't sit well that the *AA's would be able to create a new merit badge and start indoctrinating them.

    Errie.

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    1. Re:Positively Orwellian ... by User+956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it doesn't sit well that the *AA's would be able to create a new merit badge and start indoctrinating them.

      The boy scouts of today are the politicians of the future. I can see where the RIAA is going with this.

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  4. As I understand them, by justinbach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Merit badges are typically awarded for the completion of a task (hiking, camping, good works, &c), not for passively NOT doing something. Is there a merit badge for not smoking? How about for not cheating on exams?
    These qualities are important, sure, but to dangle a badge as a carrot for not doing something wrong seems a like it's missing the point. Boy Scouts have a code and moral values (including those that would keep you from pirating software, smoking, and cheating) are implicit therein; further bribery, especially in the form of badges, seems unwarranted.

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  5. Feedback by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Putting the fair use argument aside for a moment, who thinks it's a good idea to reward people for what they should be doing anyway. Should I expect to be rewarded because I didn't shoplift today or commit murder?

    -Grey

  6. Re:first its not stealing post by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its not stealing, since you are not depriving anyone of the thing.
    The editors should be more careful with their phraseology.

    It's straight from the article.
    And more to the point, it's the exact doublespeak that the RIAA wants to drill into these kid's heads, using them to spread their propaganda, astroturf style.

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  7. ftfa by Wellington+Grey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The patch shows a film reel, a music CD and the international copyright symbol, a "C" enclosed in a circle. The movie industry has developed the curriculum.

    Shouldn't the boy scouts decide what their badges are? This is like McD's making the health curriculum for a school.

    -Grey

  8. Re:I bet they got a better deal from the RIAA... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I once heard a gay activist emphatically state that almost all child molesters were heterosexual

    I don't have any statistics one way or the other on that. Certainly, I often hear that these people are married and have children. Who is gay or not is up to them. If some people have an agenda whereby they want to define as many people as possible (or as few) as gay, that's their problem.

    My point is, this is not something which is representative of the community any more than the actions of a few priests are representative or Catholics, or the actions of Foley are representative of congress, or that blacks are more likely to commit crimes, or that Hispanics are probably illegal immigrants who are in gangs, or that all Muslims are terrorists, or that all Americans are gun toting fundamentalist rednecks. None of the preceding are fair generalizations to any of those communities.

    You can't go about painting an entire group of people with the same brush. But, this is slashdot, where it's more expedient to do so.

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  9. Re:first its not stealing post by khayman80 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Businesses and people who offer services or products are not concerned with being deprived of things, it's being deprived of the sale of the thing.
    Under your definition, it seems like I'm "stealing" from a music store if I tape record a song from the radio and don't feel the need to buy the CD later. They're being deprived of a sale either way, right?

    Needless to say, I don't agree with this reasoning. When I copy a music file, I gain music but the music company doesn't lose anything physical at all, despite their claims to being deprived of a potential sale. This is a purely hypothetical loss on their part, based on the assumption that if I couldn't get the music via mininova, that I'd have no choice but to buy it at full price, in which case they've lost the sticker price of the CD. I think this reasoning is flawed for several reasons:

    (1): Some music I would buy for $5 or listen to if it's free, but I wouldn't pay $20 for the CD. In some instances, music that I would pirate I would not buy, even if I was unable to obtain the music through P2P networks. This means that in a situation like this, the music company is only "losing" the amount of money that I would actually pay for the music. The problem is that the RIAA is treating their product as though it's a commodity, like it's water... and we have no choice but to either buy it from them, steal it, or die of thirst.

    (2): I could just as easily buy the CD from a friend or from a store that sells used CDs, in which case the RIAA has lost nothing.

    In short, I believe that you are correct that being deprived of a sale constitutes stealing, especially in the cases you mentioned. What I'm disputing is that copyright infringement necessarily deprives anyone of a sale.

  10. Re:first its not stealing post by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No.

    Jesus. This is such a broken record.

    to use YOUR article for the example.

    It's like watching the barber cut someone's hair, and cutting your own hair and he sues you because he's a magical barber like magicians and expects to get paid for the REST OF HIS LIFE and 50 YEARS after HE DIES for cutting hair in a PARTICULAR pattern and way with particular tools.

    Not to mention that 99% of the stuff downloaded would never have been purchased at the desired price.
    Not to mention that 80% of the stuff will probably never be listened too or only listened to once.
    Not to mention that the 20% that is listened to will probably expand the market.
    Not to mention that lots of people are as moral as they afford to be and when they make more money, they'll buy the products if they like them since they want the "real" thing.
    Not to mention the products that you *can't BUY period* and can only get these ways.

    Seriously- if barbers were like musicians, the fact that they wet the right side of your head, combed it back, then combed a row and clipped it with no.6 scissors would be equivalent to a "chord" and they could sue other barbers for cutting hair using the same sequence of "chords" and ever barber who invented a new haircut (like "the bob cut" or the "monica cut" or the "shag cut" could copyright it.

    Then they could sue the hell out of anyone who cut hair that way (including people who cut their own hair) and they would add a .25 cent fee to any hair cut of that style for the rest of their lives and for 50 years after they die which would be paid to a big "hair cut production company" that had rights to that style of hair cut.

    Why are musicians SO MUCH better than a barber who invites a new style of hair cut?

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  11. The actual curriculum by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It's straight from the article. And more to the point, it's the exact doublespeak that the RIAA wants to drill into these kid's heads

    Indeed, the MPAA-developed "curriculum" begins :

    Intellectual Property is no different than physical property

    Intellectual dishonesty is no different than child abuse

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  12. Eagle Scout by CherniyVolk · · Score: 4, Insightful


    I'm not an Eagle Scout; more by choice than anything. Years ago, I took a honest interest in scouting, but was very disappointed in the whole scheme. While some might assert that scouting isn't supposed to be a focus on survival skills, why else for all the survivalist training such as cooking without stove, camping with minimal supplies, hunting etc.? OK, so there are much better clubs to join that can better teach you how to eat dirt, weeds and to build a sheltor out of leaves and bark... but I was still rather annoyed at how little the Boy Scouts prepared a young adult for if they did get lost in the woods and had to get by a few days.

    Looking back on those days, I realize that the Boy Scouts is heavily capitalist, despite any hopes a young scout might have for actually learning something for outdoor life. I remember the joy of seeing the Boy Scout emblem on my new portable stove, knife, compas etc. It never really dawned on me till after the fact, the Boy Scouts were actually far more mainstream than what people might expect. For a real life comparison, they are like the Air Force with air conditioned, reinforced tents in "war" rather than the Marines left to cover up with whatever they might, their jackets, a rock... anything but no air conditioner. I also came to realize everything in the Scouts was geared towards making me think like a malible consumer. A consumer which even if he isn't "sold" by advertisement, will still buy whatever is in the advertisement. A consumer who thinks that name brand is everything (does it have the Boy Scout Emblem!?). The dangers in this, is also an intiment involvment with the authorities behind the hype, and I assert no organization, no company should be above either the People or the Government. It is often in Capitalist Nations that people tend to bag on the government and forgive the Company without considering the fact that all their horrors were becuase of the Company rather than the Government; America doesn't go to war becuase of public support, but becuase of entire industry wide consensus (A lot of private/public companies making money off of our campaign in the Gulf and that money is not going to expand Middle Class. This is fact.).

    Yeah, I learned how to pitch a tent, tie a few knots, and clean a wound. But, honestly, I could have figured that out along the way anyways... the depth of how much they teach in the Boy Scouts I believe is a hidden agenda as well. "You're too stupid to do much else, and trust Big Business and it's ability to make sure you won't ever have to decide which flower or weed you can eat. If you do end up in the woods, your car broke down and left you stranded becuase of Government regulations. In the meantime buy this handy Boy Scout Portable Stove, Boy Scout Portable Water Purification Kit and Boy Scout Compas to help tide you over till Big Business will rescue you."

    The Boy Scouts is really a political/economic condition course for a particular ideology. The fact is, most capitalists embracing nations have Youth Programs all, in some way, dubbed as "scouts". Communists, tend to go for "pioneers". They all expose simple survival aspects which more give an impression of the phenomenal attraction to "Tips'n'Tricks", while underneath the stage tricks and simple wood carving classes... there's a political, philosophical, economic lesson vehemently pushed and ingrained in the childs mind.

    Sure you get a letter from the President for making Eagle Scout. Those that are trying to push their message are often proud of their efforts; yes, it's worth something to put on your resume, there are benefits adding to real life incentive to encourage parents to toss their children into these programs.

    Bottom line. I didn't learn all that much while in the Boy Scouts. If you went against the grain you were punished for it. For example, most of the kids in my district ran around with State Fair, Stainless Steal, Rambo "Survival Knives"... it seemed the ONLY non-Boy Scout peace of gear authorized for use du

  13. Re:US-provided WMDs were used on Kurds. by crawling_chaos · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I can only hope that every Bush voter has a friend or loved one maimed, murdered, or mutilated by the violence Bush stirred up in the Middle East with this unneeded war.

    Well you had me agreeing with you right up until the point you wrote this bullshit. You're a pretty sorry excuse for a human being if you really believe that. Did you ever think that those innocents you are wishing harm upon might not have agreed with the idea of the war either? Or do you just consider them "collateral damage" making you no better than the man you condemn?

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