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Networking For Overconvenience

Roland Piquepaille writes "For several decades now, we've read that our homes will become smart and that we'll have many robotic slaves at our service. But it's never really worked. A recent European initiative called TEAHA (short for 'The European Application Home Alliance') wants to give another try, and it has enrolled some big industrial partners to make all our appliances interoperate seamlessly. Imagine a message on your TV telling you it's time to start the laundry! Read more for additional details and illustrations describing the concepts."

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  1. Wow by Timesprout · · Score: 5, Funny
    Imagine a message on your TV telling you it's time to start the laundry!

    Talk about life changing technology!
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    1. Re:Wow by b100dian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Talk about life changing technology!

      Yeah.. shopping for a microwave-oven:
      -Does it have firewall embedded?
      -Yes, with antispyware and phishing filters that call home, too!

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    2. Re:Wow by antoinjapan · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why it won't work this time around, because the tv should be really telling your laundry machine to do the laundry, and I don't mean your wife.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Imagine a message on your washing machine telling it's time to watch TV!

    4. Re:Wow by bazorg · · Score: 2, Funny

      This washing machine/tv example is pure myth... As if it were possible to have the a computer controlling several devices and show its output on a TV screen... pfft.

    5. Re:Wow by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I for one would aviod buying any microwave oven that needs a firewall.

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  2. internetworked.. or just more reliable/precise? by adam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My interest isn't as much in having normal appliances that talk to each other, although that could be cool (for instance, a dishwasher and washing machine that know not to turn on when the shower is in use.. that would be pretty cool), but rather appliances that are just more accurate. I dream of the day that I won't have to posess bank-burglar safe-cracker finger dexterity to get my shower to the exact temperature I desire, but rather I can just dial in a digital thermostat to 102.5F or whatever suits me. Some fixtures are making headway in this direction.. these Hansa faucets with LEDs that tint the water red or blue (for cold or hot) have been available for a while, although they don't come cheap.. they're at least a step in the right direction, since I think most of us have occasionally stuck our hands under scalding water by accident [presuming it was instead on "cold" mode].

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    1. Re:internetworked.. or just more reliable/precise? by Biogenesis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For hot water we've got one of these. They have temperature control that you "dial in" via a remote control pad. We've only got one in the kitchen but you can install more than one per unit.

      Personally I want home appliances that simply *work*. I don't really care how fast the internet is on my fridge, if it stops cooling my food within 5 years I'd be very dissapointed. We went through several dishwashers before getting a Bosch which is fairly featureless, but is very reliable.

      In terms of the television diary-like-system mentioned in the summary, it's probably usefull for a house-husband, but it's been my experience that women simply don't have trouble with this sort of thing. Not meaning to be sexist, but women handle the multitasking nature of housework *much* better than men. If they're not they're either in the statistical minority, or too stressed by career responsibilites etc.

      *sigh* Maybe I'm just too traditional for "modern life"...I'll crawl back to my hippy commune now.

    2. Re:internetworked.. or just more reliable/precise? by hcdejong · · Score: 3, Informative

      dream of the day that I won't have to posess bank-burglar safe-cracker finger dexterity to get my shower to the exact temperature I desire, but rather I can just dial in a digital thermostat to 102.5F or whatever suits me.

      Apart from the digital input, these already exist. Companies like Grohe produce thermostatic faucets like these.
      They typically have two knobs, one to set the temperature, and one to set the amount of water. I've been using these for years, and (provided you get a good one, and not a cheap-ass B-brand) they work perfectly. They're not exactly cheap (>$100), but worth it. Temperature control is to sub-1 degree C accuracy.

  3. advertising.. the wave of the future by macadamia_harold · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Imagine a message on your TV telling you it's time to start the laundry! Read more for additional details and illustrations describing the concepts.

    Imagine, popup advertising following you around the house!

  4. I would wait... by Mikachu · · Score: 5, Funny

    It sounds like a great idea, but think of awkwardness it could come up with once it's fully implimented...

    "BEEP BEEP! Time to walk the... oh, I see you're a little busy... I'll remind you in a couple minutes or so... (that IS all you'll need, right?)"

  5. What the? by Zouden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine a message on your TV telling you it's time to start the laundry!

    If that's the best example they can come up with, then I don't have high hopes for this technology. Seriously guys, if you want to get consumers to buy all-new networked home appliances then at least present us with a decent reason why.

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    1. Re:What the? by thelonestranger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Absolutly. Have we gotten to the stage where we are so lazy that we need a reminder in between or during our TV programs to do our laundry? Personally I think its a lot easier/cheaper to just keep an eye on the amount of stuff in the laundry basket and the contents of your sock drawer. If you cant do that already then you probably are not the kind of person that is going to buy this kind of system in the first place.

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    2. Re:What the? by nuzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A message on my TV telling me the laundry is done might be nice. Me, I can hear it, but I have an apartment.

      I'd like my alarm clock to start my coffee maker, myself. I'd like it to be smart enough to only do that if it knows it's been refilled (water level sensor, easy). I don't want to bother setting both. I mean, I can live without it, but if it were possible, easy, and cheap, why not?

      Knowing the appliance manufacturers though, there would probably be 50 different communication protocols for this to happen, twice as many interfaces, and ten times that number of bugs in the overall system.

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  6. Consider the other side too... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Well, I'd like someone to tell us about the potential drawbacks of having to depend so much on technology. I remember the time in the late eighties when cell phones were being touted as the next "big thing". Nobody knew that these cellphones, together with similar technology would contribute to the increase in our stress levels.

    To make matters worse, there have been studies that support the fact that pregnant women stressed by all these gadgets/technology, are more likely to have kids with severe mental or psychotic problems. Do you know that the chances of a kid getting a brain disorder are just 1 in 166? It iused to be 1 in 11000 in the late sixties.

    1. Re:Consider the other side too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hello

      What sources for your statistic about mental health? (it's not that I disagree, I don't know anything about this subject, it's only that I find this astonishing)

      JP

    2. Re:Consider the other side too... by deepb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      To make matters worse, there have been studies that support the fact that pregnant women stressed by all these gadgets/technology, are more likely to have kids with severe mental or psychotic problems. Do you know that the chances of a kid getting a brain disorder are just 1 in 166? It iused to be 1 in 11000 in the late sixties.
      Diagnosis for that sort of thing has changed quite a bit since then - it's barely an apples-to-apples comparison. That said - any legitimate increase, when you get right down to it, is just evolution at work. Trying to slow down the adoption rate of new technology will only delay the inevitable...
    3. Re:Consider the other side too... by Lars512 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nobody knew that these cellphones, together with similar technology would contribute to the increase in our stress levels.

      It does seem that the tech making everybody more productive just increased expectations on productivity, and thus increased stress. I'm not sure there's any way around it though, without getting less done. Of course, some people just choose to get less done, earn less and have a less stressful life.

      Do you know that the chances of a kid getting a brain disorder are just 1 in 166? It iused to be 1 in 11000 in the late sixties.

      Common reasons for such increased statistics include better reporting, better diagnosis, and sometimes changing definitions of illness. Wading through these factors, then we can work out if the stat is still valid. Out of curiousity, got a ref for the study?

    4. Re:Consider the other side too... by regular_gonzalez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Assuming that your numbers are accurate, how much of that is due to increased awareness of and diagnosis of mental health disorders? I doubt that the majority of diagnoses such as depression, ADHD, anorexia, Asperger's, et al are due to stressed pregnant women.

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  7. New DRM platform... by corychristison · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Sorry, sir, but you need to pay $0.99 to use the washroom."
    or
    "Sorry, sir, but your credit card has been maxed out. You may not enter your home."

    No thanks!

  8. Is this actually useful? by CalSolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can get my girlfriend (or wife or mom) to nag me about doing the laundry. I can set alarms on my phone, PDA, computer, digital watch, even involve some loudspeakers without much difficulty. None of that means I'll actually DO the laundry. Where's the invention that will collect and automatically DO my laundry? That's what I'm waiting for. Something useful.

    1. Re:Is this actually useful? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      placing a washing machine in the bathroom will solve that problem. wouldn't it? I still don't understand why architects design houses with most heavily used bathrooms at top floor and laundry room in basement. sometimes we need a little intellect, not technology.

    2. Re:Is this actually useful? by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can get my girlfriend (or wife or mom) to nag me about doing the laundry.

      What is the point of having a girlfriend, wife, or mom if you still have to do laundry?

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    3. Re:Is this actually useful? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can get my girlfriend (or wife or mom) to nag me about doing the laundry.

      Make sure your girlfriend and your wife don't nag you at the same time, that could lead to some considerable akwardness...

  9. Standardization by ndogg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with the idea is getting the household appliance industry to agree upon some standards, and I would bet that this would an industry particularly resistant to the idea.

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    1. Re:Standardization by AaronLawrence · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. Why don't they start with something simple, like a single [ethernet?] connection for all stereo equipment to send all audio around. But in reality, the vendors will prevent anything happening as they are terrible at agreeing on standards ... even when it's critical - witness blu-ray vs Hd-dvd.

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  10. Re:Rolan fuckhead by WhodoVoodoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well that took much less time than anticipated.

    http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/5738

    No more roland piquipaki! Thanks to Brendan Donahue, script author.

  11. Ideas to make this 'worth while'. by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have some ideas that would make this worth while...

    Someone mentioned dial-a-temperature showers. Definitely good, but not really 'networked'... and can definitely be done without it.

    TV/DVR/Game Console/etc that work -together-. Why does my TV only have 4 inputs, and why doesn't it -know- what's on each one? With a usb-type system, components could be chained together and the TV could simply display a list of all the components that are connected. It could even turn the unit on, if it's off when you switch to it. A game console could automatically pause, if you switch displays to another unit. The PC could automatically password-lock if you switch away. Too many ideas here.

    TV is also connected to the house network for monitoring purposes. The burglar alarm says someone is approaching the front door. It shows them on the display. It's mom, so you use the remote to unlock the front door. (Not wireless, so it can't be exploited.)

    Home Monitor also notices that you finished cooking, but left the stove on. Or that the stove has been on for 5 minutes, but you haven't set a timer yet, so it warns you in case you forgot about it. (This would save me constantly.) Timer is on the network so that it can warn you that the lasagna's done and get you to stop playing the Game Console long enough to get it out. Or the laundry is done, or... Too many ideas here.

    Alarm clocks on a per-person, per-day schedule. It can even track you in case you end up sleeping on the couch that night, and be sure to wake only the right person up.

    The remote control is actually part of the network, instead of being attached to a certain device. You can select what device you want to access and the remote's LCD is reconfigured for that.

    Kids got the stereo too loud? Turn it down for them. Remotely.

    Kids watching TV after bed time? Turn it off for them. Remotely. Or send them a video message telling them how upset you are.

    Stuck in the bathroom with no toilet paper? Tell your significant other remotely, voice only. No more shouting.

    I'm not done, these are just off the top of my head. They seem like minor annoyances, until you've had the tech to do that. And then they are huge assets to life. But notice that nowhere did I say all of these apps should be on the internet. No, with the ability of hackers to get into ANYTHING, I completely recommend that the internet is not even hooked into this system at all. That should be a completely seperate network. Closed circuit, as it were.

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  12. The more than 30 times a year rule by CottonThePirate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a rule I sort of made up for purchasing these sorts of things. People sell home automation on things you want a few times a year. How many times have you wanted to change the temp of your house from work? Yeah, every now and then you may be leaving early/late etc and want the house to be warm/cold when you get home. To me this is about 5 times a year, I have a programmable thermostat that turns the heat on and off at preset times that are set broadly enough to cover most days. Also for laundry dishes etc, I don't care when they are done. Maybe if I was in an apt sharing washers with several other people, but my clothes can sit there for a while, even overnight if I forget, no biggie. Agian, this would be useful about 5 times a year. Now if you made some home automation that folded clothes and put them away, I would use that 52 times a year or more. I'd be willing to pay Big Bucks(tm) for this. Basicly I want rosie the robot to do my chores. I have a roomba for the floors and it's pretty nice, although it doesn't clean as well as a full sized vacuum I feel that it lets me vacuum by hand about half as often. I await you home automation overloads.

  13. Computer can already do this. by majortom1981 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do I need my tv to do this. All you have to do is have the scheduler pop up a txt message at a certain time telling you to start the laundry. If you then have the comp connected to your tv it will then do that. The computer can do most of this anyway why do I need other devices to do the same thing. They should work on having appliances use less electricity ,I don't care if they can speak to me or anything like that.

  14. Technical PDF link. Trusted Computing Inside! by Alsee · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a technical PDF on the system. Guess what? This is a Trusted Computing system!

    It specifies devices to contain security module / security component. It specifies that this security component contains a crypto key and that the owner is forbidden to know or read his own keys (that is what they mean when the PDF says "non cloneable"). It specifies using public key cryptography for chips to exchange communication keys in a manner secure against the owner, and specifies Confidentiality as establishing communication links which are secure against the owner "eavesdropping" on his own data. It specifies Authenticity capabilites, meaning that neither the owner nor any competitor can produce a device that can be substituted in your own network in place of a given device. Any attempt at an interoperable substitution will lack the required manufacturer's cryptographic key and signature to authenticate the device, and other devices can reject the substitute and reject its connections and prohibit it from operating in the original device's place.

    Every time the PDF uses the word secure or security, it is used in the sense of securing the system against the owner. The PDF literally classifies the owner as an "intruder" at one point, and to be secure against him.

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  15. Tell your house to get up off its foundation...... by stfvon007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the TV tells you to start your laundry, then the house isn't doing its job. You should be able to toss your laundry down a chute, and have it automatically sorted, washed, dried, and returned to you, ready to wear again. I don't want a TV or house that acts like a naggy mother.

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