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Intellectual Property Discussion in the Classroom?

Nick M asks: "I'm a TA for a Computer Ethics course at Lehigh University. My professor is currently in China, and I'm charged with the task of teaching the chapter on Intellectual Property. I have read the book (Cyberethics, Spinello, 3rd Ed.), and can see that this could be the most boring 75 minutes of their lives. What topics, examples and questions do you think would stimulate a heated discussion on intellectual property rights which would display the complexities of both sides of the issue?"

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  1. If these are computer students by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just role play a common shareware marketing mistake.

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  2. Music by Andy_R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Students love music, and it's a hotbed of IP issues, with sampling (play excerpts of a few rap tracks and the songs they sample from at the start of the lecture for dramatic effect), the split between copyright of the song and the recording of the song, moral objections to the RIAA's music copyright cartel, atrists rights, copyright extension, airplay fees vs payola, rights to make cover versions and parodies, the right not to have derogatory cover versions, the 'happy birthday' copyright fiasco, the way Tony Blair just accepted a free holiday on Cliff Richard's private tropical Island just before the music business is going to push for a Disney-style copyright extension over here to keep Cliff's early work in copyright... I could go on... for at least 75 minutes!

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  3. Discuss Section 8 by linuxwrangler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In the United States the, Congress has the authority to create patents and copyrights under Section 8 of the Constitution:

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    (emphasis mine)


    Allowing one to profit from his effort is certainly a method of promoting progress. But absurdly long copyright or patent terms promote coasting, not progress - a fact that our legislators seem to have ignored.
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  4. Re:the guy who invented intermittent windshield wi by Sique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And maybe also debunking some of the copyright myths :)

    - For instance: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart indeed was dying poor, but not because of missing protection of his works: He just spent too much money. Michael Jackson is also broke, and he has the full protection of copyrights ;) W.A.Mozart's widow Konstanze later one was well off because of the money coming in from her late husbands work, also without current copyrights.

    - Copyright in the U.S. at first protected only works of U.S. origin. British works like the novels from Charles Dickens were printed in the U.S. without permission from Charles Dickens or his editor, and only when the first U.S. writers like Mark Twain became famous all over the world (not that he was the first U.S. writer. Just one of the first becoming famous outside of the U.S.), and British printers started to print their works, the U.S. agreed to expand copyright protection also to non U.S. citizens.

    - Most developing nations with a strong economic growth have to deal with accusations of mistreating intellectual property. It was so with the U.S. in the mid-19th century, with Japan after WWII, later with Taiwan and now China. The time when protections like patents, copyrights and trademarks get fully developed is often correlated with a new period of a more "normal" economic growth. But at that point the developing nations often have accumulated enough own IP they consider worth protecting. Knowledge that has not a single entity to be attributed to, like old folk myths, songs, traditions, medical treatments, never gets protected, and is considered free for plundering by everyone.

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  5. Cures are hard. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The other thing to consider is that in medicine, there are very few easy cures to disease. Too many people think that the world is like Star Trek or something where if you give Bones 15 minutes in MedLab, he can cure anything. But this is not really in sync with reality. One thing to consider is viral diseases. So far as I'm aware, there does not exist a cure to any viral disease known to Man. Things like smallpox? We got rid of those with vaccination, before the fact. Take other things besides disease - say, depression. That's a chemical imbalance in the brain. You can take some drugs to treat it - but what would you need to do a cure? Is there some magical surgery they could do to make your brain start producing more of the right neurotransmitters in a few million cells?

    Just keep this sort of stuff in mind, and be realistic... and don't go off about the eeeeevil drug companies trying to enslave us to their treatments.

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  6. Re:complexities on both sides? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because you are apparently incapable of seeing the dots that were connected to arrive at those conclusions?

    No, because those conclusions have been stated *without any supporting evidence*. Hence, they are an example of "Proof by assertion".

    Some examples of things that might be considered "evidence":

    * An examination of major medical discoveries pertaining to cures and treatments of disabling sicknesses and injuries over the last ~200 years or so, showing that for-profit private industry has been the only significant contributor.
    * Proof that culturally significant contributions in art, music and literature have only commenced since the invention of copyright.
    * Data demonstrating people who do not purchase their first copy of a particular instance music subseuqently never purchase a copy.
    * Data demonstrating people who download movies subsequently never see those movies in the cinema or purchase them on DVDs, or other personal media.

    Independent, scientific, peer-reviewed studies demonstrating these sorts of things would go a long way towards supporting the argument that "Intellectual Property" - both as a concept and *especially* as practiced today - is "essential" to the existence of modern society.

    If IP isn't respected, it won't be profittable for corporations to spend multi-millions discovering new drugs, or making big budget movies, or writing hugely complicated commercial software.

    These are the assertions that are lacking evidence. Waving your hand and saying "because they will", is not evidence.