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The Beauty That is GameTap

We've already discussed the Evils of GameTap, so it seemed only fair to talk about what makes GameTap so good. Gamers With Jobs' Julian Murdoch talks about how the GameTap system 'revolutionizes' the 90-minute gaming session ... all for the cost of a single console game. From the article: "The act of browsing in and of itself is a powerful, positive experience. I go to my local bookstore not just to buy books, but to drink black coffee and wander around the aisles, reading a page of that, a chapter of this. Gametap brings this experience to gaming, and it's uniquely suited for the ADD gamer with too much to do, and not enough time. Sure, I own a lot of Gametap's library already -- they sit out there on the shelves, their ROMs rest peacefully on servers 30 feet away in the furnace room. But I can't surf them. "

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  1. hello there everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kool, froth proueist

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  2. One problem by 5of0 · · Score: 1

    I still don't play many games...

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  3. Third by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ? :O

  4. The Joy of surfing crap? by Albundy47 · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, the sweet guilty pleasure of surfing an ever growing heap of crappy games that were crappy when they were new and somehow seem to stink even more as they age and decay. Such the deal. Sign me up where? I'll pass thanks. I think I am much more likely to enjoy surfing my collection of Steam games that are actually worth spending 90 minutes of my valuable time playing. :-)

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    1. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your time was truly valuable you wouldn't waste it playing videogames. Nice try, nerd.

    2. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by Albundy47 · · Score: 1

      Hurt Me Plenty! Does valuable to me count? Naw, not here I'm sure.

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    3. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*, yet another uninformed slashdotter commenting on things they know nothing about. Even if you thought a majority of the games ARE crap, there are some amazing series included in the service and at $10 a month, it's a great deal. Being a Steam user, and knowing the kind of games available there, do you also like FarCry? Splinter Cell Series? Prince of Persia? You have never even tried the service, so why knock it?

      And you know what? Some of those old "crappy games" like Defender, Robotron and SFII still kick l33t g^m3rz CS asses all over the joint.

    4. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by radarjd · · Score: 1
      sweet guilty pleasure of surfing an ever growing heap of crappy games that were crappy when they were new and somehow seem to stink even more as they age and decay

      I actually really enjoyed Gametap. Besides Sam & Max, there's most of the King's Quest series, most of the Space Quest series, most of Ultima (the good ones, anyway), Civ 3, Far Cry, Altered Beast, Baldur's Gate I & II, Icewind Dale I & II, Planescape: Torment, Castlevania I-III, Prince of Persia, Contra, and the list goes on.

      Now I sound like an ad, which I don't mean to be, but I do think it's a good service with a ton of classic games. Note: I did cancel my subscription, but it was because I wasn't playing any games, not because the game selection was bad.

    5. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by Albundy47 · · Score: 1

      I know my original remark was overstated but it was based on the fact that well over half of the games offered there and by similar services such as my ISP Verizon's own online games service, are all junk. There's no denying there are some gems in the mix but the problem is there is so much filler with games you would never want to waste your time on and that's what I object to. I think this sort of thing could be great if it featured a far better and richer selection of current and even classic games such as the ones you mentioned. At some point maybe someone will be able to provide this but my guess is that for now, most publishers are not willing to make new content available in this way and I suspect that is the reason it isn't there. If console video games can be rented I don't see why PC games cannot also be via a service like this but it seems that it is not currently possible or I am sure Gametap and others like it would have the latest greatest games available and higher subscription price probably as well.

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    6. Re:The Joy of surfing crap? by MaineCoon · · Score: 1

      As soon as you mentioned King's Quest and Space Quest and Prince of Persia... I'm signing up this weekend.

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  5. What changed my gaming more.. by Channard · · Score: 1

    ... was the ability to rent games for so much per month. I get a game, play it for a bit, if I like it, I keep it longer as I can keep it as long as I want. If not, I send it back. And if a game has real merit, I buy it eventually. It's certainly made me less tolerant of crappy games because I don't feel obliged to play it as I haven't bought it.

  6. The Beauty that is Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copyright is theft! Resist the information fascists! Emulators forever!

  7. GameTap is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US/Canada only. Rental model. Hope they die in a car fire or something.

  8. None for me thanks. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Gametap has the ability to make old/obsolete games the source of revenue. If these old titles are percieved to have monetary value, they will put more pressure on the emulator community.

    LK

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    1. Re:None for me thanks. by nickos · · Score: 1

      Excellent point - MOD UP please!

    2. Re:None for me thanks. by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      And why is that a bad thing? Gametap hired several emulator developers and are using their work to play Genesis, Gamegear/SMS, Neogeo and Arcade games through their service.

      When Nintendo first announced the Virtual Console for the Wii I had starry eyed dreams of them having a subscription model which would allow access to their entire back catalog for $5/month. Sadly it will cost that for a single game on the Virtual Console. With Gametap's recent 1/2 promotion getting a year of access for $60 was well worth the cost.

      It's true that I wouldn't get to keep any of the games after my subscription is up; however, simply playing through a game a month and I come out ahead. Think of this like Gamefly which is a rental service only it's over the Internet so no sending games back and forth. Only I can play older games that would not be rental otherwise. Sadly Nintendo hasn't signed with Gametap but their service is legitimizing emulation.

  9. US only by LarsWestergren · · Score: 1

    Well, I was SOO happy when I read the positive reviews for the new Sam & Max game, I went over to Gametap with the intention of signing up immediately, only to be met by "Your IP number says you are from Europe. This service is for US customers only. Sorry".

    Why, oh why, do you set up a online delivery system and deliberately design your system to exclude potential customers? Do they get a kick out of pissing me off? Is my money not good enough?

    You can of course go through a web proxy to hide your IP adress, and fake a US adress. Many people have apperently already done so. Also, I heard that Gametap was going to open up for international customers later, but I am so upset by now, I'll probably boycott them. I think Telltale games are going to sell the boxed game themselves later, so I will wait for that.

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    1. Re:US only by shadowcode · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I wonder why that is, though. Probably due to legal issues/taxes or something like that?
      Anyway, it's November the 1st so S&M: Culture Shock is now available (or should be, anyway) from Telltale's website:
      http://www.telltalegames.com/store/samandmax

    2. Re:US only by Zonk · · Score: 1
      I think Telltale games are going to sell the boxed game themselves later, so I will wait for that.
      It's certainly not outside of the realm of possibility, but so far the only information I've heard about accessing Sam and Max is 1.) Gametap or 2.) Directly from the Telltale site.

      Now, once the entire series is released they'd be crazy not to do a boxed version; just wanted to warn you that it might be a while before you see that.
    3. Re:US only by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      From what I can tell, it is merely legalities. Different countries have different software import laws. Gametap is launching in the UK soon, and has just launched in Canada. They are feeling a LOT of pressure from the Sam & Max and Uru Live (Myst Online) communities. They already have plans to sell JUST Uru Live to Europe for the same price as a Gametap account, and once they have launched in Europe, that subscription will also include the rest of Gametap. I subscribed when they were having the half-off sale. I love it. There's a ton of old games that I miss on there. There's even more crap, of course, but then, some of what I call crap, my friend Tito drools over. In addition, each account can have up to 8 logins, and any 2 of those logins can be on at once... So my european friend and I both get to play, even though he couldn't buy an account himself. I almost bought him an account on my card (they allow multiple accounts per credit card) but then I found that loophole. I disagree with some of what they've done... The Interactive Fiction stuff runs really poorly. (Zork, etc) The backspace key doesn't delete characters, so you HAVE to type it exactly right or it'll be garbled. And some games don't use a joypad properly. But for $5/month... I'm more than happy. When Uru Live is launched, I'm going to be ecstatic.

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    4. Re:US only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they only have US distribution rights for some of the games, so they have to enact walls like the IP sniff, even if relatively easy ones to bypass.

    5. Re:US only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, Gametap probably only bought and paid for the US distribution rights, and would need to pay the rights holders more money in order to be allowed to operate "in Europe".

    6. Re:US only by afidel · · Score: 1

      It's about legalities, but not the kind you point out. It's about contract law. Distributors usually have a contract to do retail distribution in one or more geographical areas such as North America, Europe, etc. Allowing online distribution worldwide would interfere with that system and would honk off those who purchased exclusive distribution rights for a game over their area. I think that going forward the most likely solution is for those negotiations to include a rider for online distribution and that the online portion will be handled as a seperate area to be negotiated just like one of the geographical zones.

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  10. I joined then immediately cancelled... by g051051 · · Score: 1
    The GameTap interface was just SO BAD I couldn't stand it. They spent too much time trying to be clever with the UI, and it's bascially unusable:
    • Annoying intro video
    • GameTap TV Videos that play with no way to tell them "Don't play any video", even when simply launching a game.
    • No way to see the whole list of games available, you need to spin through their "ring" interface.
    • Interface as a whole is graphically terrible

    I had actually paid for a subscription, based on the news of "Sam & Max" and "Uru", but after my first taste of the GameTap experience, called and got a refund. At least you get a free trial, so it was no problem, and I will say that it was a pleasant surprise to get a helpful person on their tech support line.
    1. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm....you could not have been a member for very long if you couldn't figure out how to use the interface. Big deal, an intro video plays. Show me one modern game that does not start with a logo screen. As for the videos, perhaps you just missed the "close" button on the right side of the video?

      While the ring interface is not for everyone, I think it is one of the most brilliant UI designs I have ever seen for an online service. Sifting through a mass of games through their interface is amazingly easy, even my 4 year old can do it.

      As for the graphics of the interface itself? It may not be for everyone, but I think it rocks.

    2. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by TechDock · · Score: 1

      You can browse a list of games through Gametap.com.

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    3. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      I had this service for a several months. I started with a free 2 month trial from somewhere.
      At first, it was cool to play the really old Pitfall-era games.
      However, as soon as I started playing the more recent games, I started having lots of problems. The application would crash, games would fail to start, some large games insisted on re-downloading every time I wanted to play them (the 'correct' behavior was to cache these games to have them available immediately after the first download.)

      A pleasant surprise was that someone was available on their tech support line all the time, with little wait times. However, after calling several times and learning their standard repair attempt routine, I could repeat all their steps on my own. Usually this met with very limited success. Some times games would work once when tech support was on the line, then not work again on later attempts. Unfortunately, several of the repair attempts required wiping the entire game cache, including several hundred meg games and all saved game files.

      Since they really don't want anyone to quit their service, they were nice enough to continuously extend my service month after month for free. I'd send them error reports, they'd give me free months. This was a great arrangement unless you took all the crashes and frustration into account.

      I finally couldn't take it anymore, and tried to cancel. After nearly an hour of attempting to convince some customer support guy that I really did want to cancel and didn't want yet another free month, I finally gave in and accepted another free month. This came with a promise that the next patch would make things all better, thanks to my heroic beta testing.

      Another month later and even more frustration from the very few attempts I made to actually use the service anymore, I called again to cancel. This time I was firm, took no prisoners, and was able to cancel after a mere half hour of repeating "No, I really want to cancel" to the customer service brick wall.

      I think it's a great service and I'd be a paying subscriber if it worked as advertised. Unfortunately, since the entire application is just an emulator, and it's got to emulate so many different platforms, it's going to be buggy.
      Yes, I know that some people may have never seen a single bug ever. There's always someone that this happens to, and this time it happened to me. Fortunately this is not common to any other game I play or I'd be quite sad.

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    4. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Another month later and even more frustration from the very few attempts I made to actually use the service anymore, I called again to cancel. This time I was firm, took no prisoners, and was able to cancel after a mere half hour of repeating "No, I really want to cancel" to the customer service brick wall.

      They're owned by AOL Time Warner. That would explain it. You might want to make sure they're not still billing you.

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    5. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by Raenex · · Score: 1
      This time I was firm, took no prisoners, and was able to cancel after a mere half hour of repeating "No, I really want to cancel" to the customer service brick wall.

      This tactic by service companies suck, but the easy away around it is to state in absolute, clear terms that you want to cancel your account (which you did), and then hang up the phone. If they don't cancel your account call your credit card company and they will reverse the charges. The merchant gets hit with a small fee when this happens, and if too many customers do this, they'll lose their rights to take credit card payments at all.

      I used to work in the credit card industry. This is the weapon consumers should use to fight back, as it hurts bad merchants the most.

    6. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by g051051 · · Score: 1

      Duh. But why would I want to go to a whole separate location just to look at hte list of games? The client obviously has them all, it just doesn't have a way of displaying them in a useful manner.

    7. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by Mondoz · · Score: 1

      I had no idea you could do that.
      How does that work exactly?
      My CC company will care if I tell them I said "cancel my account" and hang up?
      This sounds great, if my CC company doesn't laugh at me for doing it...

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    8. Re:I joined then immediately cancelled... by Raenex · · Score: 1
      I had no idea you could do that. How does that work exactly?

      What if there was a fraudulent charge on your card? Would you pay for it? No, you would call your credit card company and they would reverse the charges. What if you ordered an item online, but it never showed up? Guess what, you can call your credit card company about that too. What if you called to cancel your account, but the merchant refused to do so? Right again, you can get those charges reversed as well.

      My CC company will care if I tell them I said "cancel my account" and hang up?

      Not the way you describe it. But if you said you made it extremely clear that you wanted your account cancelled, and they refused to listen, then they will care. Staying on the phone for half an hour begging the service person to cancel your account is ridiculous and unnecessary. In fact, the service people know this, and they will probably just cancel the account once you hang up. If not, they know they can get dinged.

  11. Gametap is a Good, Maybe Great Deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Actually I signed up for Gametap 2 weeks ago and have found it to be a great deal so far. The price was $9.95 for the first month, with the second month free. While I have little interest in playing a lot of the older console games (sports games on the Atari 2600?), others such as Golden Axe I-III and Altered Beast have immense retro appeal. I doubt anyone can argue that Black Tiger, Crazy Taxi and Joust (to name a few) are 'crappy games no one bought the first time'.

    Of course the collection of mainly older Windows games are what people like me who have broadband and mainly play PC games would be interested in. Some of the highlights:
    - Planescape: Torment
    - Disciples II: Rise of the Elves (played the rest of the series but missed that one)
    - Serious Sam II
    - Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow
    - And the Sam and Max 'episode' released for Gametap is actually very polished and quite funny
    - Space Colony is IMO a real gem that I also missed the first time, not being a huge Sims fan
    - Kohan II: Kings of War. I've been waiting for this one to hit $10 in the bargain bin, and finally was able to play it along with all these other games for that price :)

    Would it hold my interest at $10/month for a year or more? Only if they continue to add quality games every month, and I haven't used it long enough to vouch for that. Also, it claims that there are ~790 games online, but I'm pretty sure most of these are games that are applet-style, or were counted twice for being available single player and via their head-to-head internet ranking service.

  12. Rent Games by tilde.d · · Score: 1

    Umm... http://www.gamefly.com/ the netflix of games though I haven't used them. If you rent a lot of games, and all it takes is something like 2 per month, then this might just be worth it for you.

  13. Not for me by JayBlalock · · Score: 1
    Gametap and its ilk scare me. A lot of businesses are trying to blur the lines between "owning" and "renting" and that's something I don't support. Virtually every media company in the world has wet dreams about the day that they never SELL anything. That there are no "fair use" rights to music or movies. That they can shut down your OS if you haven't upgraded it recently. That your game collection can be wiped out by a failure to pay your monthly bill.

    People rejected this exact same model of getting MP3s. Why embrace it for video games? I've bought plenty of retro-compilations over the years. Want to shovel a couple dozen old Sega games onto a CD? I'll probably buy it. But I won't keep buying it month after month, just for the privledge of continuing to use it.

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    1. Re:Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand your resistance, but after having played WoW, I'm comfortable entering an agreement to rent a bunch of games for as long as I'm willing to pay a subscription fee. I used to rent games from the video store, this is essentially the same thing. I didn't notice as much "own" and "buy" language on the GameTap site as some, say, subscription DRM music services. Then again, I have always been a dabbler in games, so maybe it's just that I'm closer to the target audience.

      That said, the fact that they've started to remove games (or at least one) from their library (Uru: Ages Beyond Myst will be removed on Nov. 9 to "make room" for the launch of Uru: Live) does make me a little more skittish.

      That said, I do think we need better consumer education in the rental versus ownership type deals that they are now entering into.

  14. WINE? by joeljkp · · Score: 1

    Anyone try GameTap with WINE? How's it work? It'd be great to get this going on Linux.

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  15. Sounds good to me too by phorm · · Score: 1

    If it puts a more professional focus on emulators, why the heck not. OK, so now you have to pay (what is probably not an overly large amount) for the emulator/games. If the company who is being emulated produces the emulator (and therefore has a lot better access to internal code, specs, etc) you are going to end up having a better product, and in the end somebody is probably getting paid for the development work.

    End result, a few more jobs, a better product, and slightly higher cost.