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Guitar Hero Is Big Hit With Bands

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "An unlikely but growing group of rock stars are also avid players of Guitar Hero, a PlayStation title that uses a miniature plastic guitar to let gamers pretend to be, well, rock stars, the Wall Street Journal reports. From the article: 'Michael Einziger, the 30-year-old guitarist for the hard-rock band Incubus, says he was "shocked at how hard it was" to play the videogame's version of his song "Stellar." He admits he was handily beaten by his then-14-year-old sister, Ruby Aldridge, when the two of them squared off earlier this year. "It doesn't have anything to do with playing guitar," Mr. Einziger says. "It's all rhythmic." When the four members of the punk-pop band the Donnas got together to play Guitar Hero last week, guitarist Allison Robertson took some good-natured ribbing from her bandmates, says drummer Torry Castellano. That's because Ms. Robertson had a hard time playing along with the band's own song "Take It Off." "Expectations for her are pretty high because she's the guitar player and because she's so good at videogames in general," says Ms. Castellano.'"

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  1. I Don't Understand by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm an electric bassist and personally, I care not for Guitar Hero.

    I mean, I've got a freaking bass & a computer with Linux & audacity in my living room ... why play guitar hero? To play with the bands? If I want to do that, I strip the low end out of an MP3 on my computer and just play along with it.

    I find it odd that someone who probably has their pick of basses/guitars & effect pedals would prefer the not as rewarding feeling of playing Guitar Hero. Well, to each their own I guess. I think the guitarist of Korn should go buy some Rickenbacker guitars ... I can't imagine ever getting tired of those.

    The funniest thing is that my friend wants to play guitar ... so he buys Guitar Hero. Which provides you with no guitar skills whatsoever. This summary hits it right on the head that it improves your rhythm but does nothing for your melody or style of playing.

    PS2 + Guitar Hero = $300. Decent acoustic starter Yamaha guitar is about the same. Take your choice. I suspect Guitar Hero would be a great toy for working on your sense of tempo ... but it's still a far cry from the coordination to play any other instrument.

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    1. Re:I Don't Understand by Nos. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, it would be like learning to race by playing video games, or thinking you should be on the anti-terrorist teams because of your K:D ratio in Counter-Strike. Games are just that, entertainment. You may learn somethings, but its no substitute for real life.

    2. Re:I Don't Understand by OptimusPaul · · Score: 5, Funny

      Guitar Hero is totaly fun to play, that's why you play it. I think that anyone who plays it because they want to learn to play guitar a deluding themselves, It's a game, nothing more. It's kind of like playing DDR to learn to waltz, just not going to happen.

    3. Re:I Don't Understand by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point isn't to play along with the band, the point is to play along with your friends and have a good time. If you have friends who are musicians then you could probably all get together and have fun playing real music. Otherwise I think the majority of people (who are most likely not very musical) would prefer the video game version. Also I think it's a bit easier having one person carrying a slim PS2 and a couple of fake plastic guitars to your friends house then everyone hauling around heavy equipment... and then worrying that the neighbors will complain.

    4. Re:I Don't Understand by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why play guitar hero?

      Because it's a fun game? Rhythm games are popular for a reason, because it's an extremely easy concept to grasp but can be extremely hard to pull off perfectly. Doesn't matter if you're a musician or a mill worker, if it's fun, there's no reason not to play it.

      It in no way threatans or diminishes "real" music production, it's simply binding together two popular activities: Being a rock star, and playing video games.

    5. Re:I Don't Understand by focitrixilous+P · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's like saying you could go out dancing, so why play Dance Dance revolution? It's fun for completely different reasons then actually dancing. The same thing applies to Guitar Hero, it's almost completely different from actually playing guitar, but it's still fun for some people.

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    6. Re:I Don't Understand by Dr+Faustus+60 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I agree. It's like when I bought DDR to learn to dance. No chicks come flocking when I bust my moves on the real dance floor, but I score 100% every time. Weird.

    7. Re:I Don't Understand by tatonca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Which provides you with no guitar skills whatsoever. This summary hits it right on the head that it improves your rhythm..."

      So either it does do something to improve playing skills (rhythm) or you don't believe rhythm is important to learning to play guitar. So which is it?

      The number of guitar 'players' out there that have no rhythm at all is astounding. They play a collection of notes at random velocity - impressive when you're drunk or stoned at a party, but not terribly entertaining otherwise, and certainly very annoying to any one who has to play with them.

      My daughter is new to playing guitar (I have been playing twenty years) and was having a very hard time relating the timing and rhythms required to play exercises and peices of music. As a learning tool for the raw bigger, it provides an alternate method of relating what you hear and what you are expected to play in a way that requires no knowledge of how to read music. Similar to tab, the interface for guitar hero provides an allegory of sight for the velocities of the notes you hear, and gives you a paradigm for fitting the two together. With additional input from myself, within the span of about 2 weeks, my daughter was able to better discern the relationships of the various note velocities. It was a break through for her that otherwise could have been very frustrating, but within the context of the game was nothing but fun.

    8. Re:I Don't Understand by ProppaT · · Score: 2, Funny

      Asking why you would play guitar hero when you could play a regular guitar instead is kinda stupid.

      That's like asking "why masturbate when you can have sex?" Masturbation is easier, cheaper, less time consuming, and addictive. Plus, this is slashdot. Having sex would require effort, something very few of us around here care for.

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    9. Re:I Don't Understand by Ackmo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tell that to Denny Hamlin...

    10. Re:I Don't Understand by Alzheimers · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm an Air Guitarist and personally, I care greatly for Guitar Hero.

      I mean, I've already got a PS2 and a HDTV in my living room ... so why play guitar hero? To play with the bands! I want to do that, while jumping off my sofa and falling to my knees like I do when listening to Van Halen MP3s through Winamp.

      I find it odd that someone who has an appreciation for powerful guitar music would not enjoy to play an adrenalin-pumping video game. Well, to each their own, I guess. I think amateur guitarists would rather just sit in an empty room playing with themselves than dream of being in a big-name band like Korn...I can't imagine ever getting tired of that.

      The funniest thing is, I've got several family members who play guitar. They've tried to teach me, but I have no guitar skills whatsoever. This summary hits it right on the head that you can still feel like a rock god and skip the blisters and the arthritic knuckles and angry neighboors.

      Fender Strat = 1399. PS2 + Guitar Hero + 40" DLP HDTV is about the same. Take your choice. I suspect a real Stratocaster would be a great chick magnet ... but it's a far cry from the thrill of finishing Crossroads on expert.

    11. Re:I Don't Understand by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I play electric guitar, electric bass, and drums. I love guitar hero. Why? Because it's fun to play. It's skillset is also wildy divergent from the skillset required for actual guitar work (because, well, it's a rhythm game for your fingers, not a melodic instrument). Some songs are indeed much harder to play in GH than in real life (mostly due to the fact that you can't move vertically from string to string and all chording is lateral).

      Whenever there's a GH post anywhere, there's always some pretentious moron who has to point out that he plays guitar/bass/kazoo in real life, and that people who play GH are wasting their time. I dunno what motivates their need to do this, but it always happens.

    12. Re:I Don't Understand by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yup, it would be like learning to race by playing video games

      If you knew anything about driving you would know that this is a completely valid strategy. Most people, even people who own and operate a car, really don't know shit about driving, so this isn't much of a surprise.

      My driving skills - street driving skills - were greatly enhanced by playing the Gran Turismo series of games. Reading through the "driving school" data in the handbook and putting those skills to use in the video game taught me a lot about how cars behave - and not every car in the game is a supercar, either. It's not strictly true to life but the cars do behave in a quite realistic manner (aside from a lack of damage) and you can learn a lot from a racing game with good physics.

      Every day I see people who clearly don't know how to drive. They're jerking their car around turns (or slamming on the brakes before a turn) because they have no idea what a proper line through a corner looks like. I frequently end up gaining on people with cars which are capable of handling vastly better than mine simply because I don't have to slow down [as much] for a corner because I know what I'm doing. The same technique, by the way, can be employed to keep your speed up to something reasonable without throwing your passengers all over your car, so it's not all about making the best speed. You can use the same skill to limit your maximum G force.

      If that weren't enough, driving simulated cars is now S.O.P. for racing teams of all types. It lets you get a feel for the track, where the turns are, and so on, without spending costly track time. It's not exactly a substitute for the real thing, but it is training for the real thing, and moreover, it has been proven to be useful.

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    13. Re:I Don't Understand by Thorkytel+Ant-Head · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did you actually read the article? It mentions some musicians who have songs in the game, but also other musicians who are not affiliated with it whatsoever, and they are all obsessed with the game. I'm sure that your $300 starter guitar won't sound anything like Black Sabbath, even if you did take years practicing Iron Man. With Guitar Hero, you can spend a short amount of time practicing, and feel like a lead guitarist on tons of classic songs. Maybe I don't want to spend years learning to master the guitar. Maybe I just want to play for a while, feel like a lead guitarist, and then get back to my life. What's wrong with that? As to why a real guitarist would play this game, it's the same reason why my pilot friend plays flight-simulator games in his spare time: because it's fun. You might as well ask why someone would play a fighting game, instead of studying martial arts and becoming a black belt, or play a first-person shooter, instead of learning to operate a real firearm. No matter how long I practice, I will never fight hordes of enemies in hand-to-hand combat, single-handedly repel an alien invasion, or flawlessly play the entire solo to Free Bird in front of a packed arena audience. But like many others, I play video games as an escape, to do things I could never do in real life. And apparently, even Real Musicians agree with me.

    14. Re:I Don't Understand by idobi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Once again, I wasn't saying no one should play this game, I was just confused why a musician with unlimited resources would play it.
      Because no matter what your resources are, it's pretty hard to get 3000 people to come to your living on a whim so you can play rock star.
    15. Re:I Don't Understand by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, Mr. la-de-freakin-da-know-it-all, I am a world class Jazz Kazooist, have been for the past 62 years, and I for one find Guitar Hero to be complete and utter crap!

      The skills and nuances of the Kazoo are leaps and bounds above a silly plastic guitar. I mean when you have the stage lights on you, and the upright bass and cow bell are hitting that sweet spot that makes the ladies swoon, THAT is what it's all about. Not strumming a chintzy red toy!

      Get a clue!

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    16. Re:I Don't Understand by Listen+Up · · Score: 2, Informative

      While a lot of what you say is true, what you say about braking before turning is not true. I race on a semi-professional and professional level in a variety of real motorsports including Autocross, Road Racing, and Rally (www.rally-america.com). The proper technique when racing around a corner or curve is to brake in a straight line before or into the turn (late braking) if needed to set up the turn, ride into the turn at a constant speed, and then power out of the turn. The most important part is to try to never brake while in a turn (unless Rally hand-braking ;-), as the turning grip of the front tires is reduced by the braking grip. Active differentials/active braking/dynamic vehicle control systems can help to reduce the effects of braking during turning, but proper line braking is very important nonetheless.

      Also, Rallyists really love to play Rally video games as much as they can, especially to practice course notes with their Co-Driver :-) The Richard Burns Rally simulator is amazing and the Colin McRae series is absolutely fun to play.

  2. ha, the donnas by know1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    male guitarist often make jokesabout women not being able to play guitar (we know it's not strictly true, it's just about a one to ten ratio in comparison to males) but the donnas couldn't play that song with real instruments anyway so they were bound to be at a disadvantage. (christ girls, there's more to the guitar than power chords)

    1. Re:ha, the donnas by bunions · · Score: 4, Funny

      > there's more to the guitar than power chords

      that's like saying there's more to a steer than savory, delicious beef - there's also tripe, lips and hooves. I mean, sure it's true, but [i]so what?[/i]

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  3. Hmm by FirienFirien · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It seems like the implementation might be a bit strange/broken when the person who wrote and played a song can't get a good score. Or is the controller too different from a real guitar?

    /wonders whether to suggest being able to plug in a real or midi electric... at the moment my housemate, who is a little tone deaf, is attempting to learn the guitar. Apps on every platform can register a midi signal, and a real signal can be fouriered into played notes. Much of the implementation must be there in the code; would it be difficult to create a more... professional version? I for one would not be averse to my housemate being able to see where and what he was doing wrong!

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  4. Hi There by ludomancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hi, and welcome to the world of marketting.

    This article was not written to talk about the bands in question and their love of playing a video game. It was written to give exposure to the Guitar Hero franchise of games, and bring attention to the impending release of the game's sequel, which is now an MTV property (who incited the writing of this article to generate sales).

    Now that you realize your error for even giving it attention, please take your haughty "Hi I'm a real musician, allow me to tell you how much better I am than you" attitude elsewhere. It's really worse than the brainwashing corporations responsible for this kind of media in the first place.

    Thanks.

  5. Well duh... by Chaffar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just because you're an expert at Fight Night doesn't mean you can take out Mike Tyson in a real fight... or vice versa. It's just mindless fun. I don't think it was written anywhere on the box that it would turn you into a guitar god overnight (or if it did, you're an idiot for believing it).

    1. Re:Well duh... by thewils · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...doesn't mean you can take out Mike Tyson in a real fight...

      Agreed, no-one in their right mind would want to do this for obvious reasons, but I wonder how many people who play driving games think that they are getting skills that they can transfer to the road. I've seen quite a few drivers who thought they were still in a video game judging from the way they drive.
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  6. Incubus? by bubbl07 · · Score: 2, Informative

    As much as I love Incubus, I'd hardly classify them as "hard rock." When I think hard rock, bands like Metallica (Black Album era) and ACDC come to mind. Maybe that's just me, though.

    1. Re:Incubus? by Alzheimers · · Score: 2, Informative

      And Sugar Ray is just a boy band, music for chicks, right?
      On the radio.

      Do you even *own* S.C.I.E.N.C.E.?

  7. It's a video game, y'know. by emmagsachs · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only relation Guitar Hero's controller -- with its five coloured plastic buttons, in single file, to be pushed when the correctly coloured circle is shown -- is that they're housed in a casing built to resemble a guitar.

    You can play Guitar Hero 24/7, practicing until your fingers bleed, but at the end of the day, you still can't play guitar. It isn't Guitar Simulator, it's a video game with a miniature plastic guitar for as its controller. It has nothing to do with actual guitar playing skills.

    GTA won't teach you the skillz to be an archcriminal, and America's Army isn't a replacement for boot camp.

    1. Re:It's a video game, y'know. by tholomyes · · Score: 3, Informative

      Personally, as a long-time self-taught hack guitarist, I find that it improves my guitar playing-- it really has increased my finger speed, and can't hurt my coordination or sense of timing.

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    2. Re:It's a video game, y'know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      >GTA won't teach you the skillz to be an archcriminal, and America's Army isn't a replacement for boot camp.
      But, Jack Thompson said it would. He wouldn't lie would he?

  8. It isn't completely without benefits by The_Dude · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I hope no one would argue that playing Guitar Hero would help you learn to play actual music on a guitar, but it does exercise your fingers pretty well and developing the coordination to be able to play on the hard and expert levels should translate in part to playing a real instrument.

  9. Oh the pain... by steveo777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember the first time I tried the game. And every other time. I refer to the game by its TRUE moniker, "Carpal Tunnel Hero."

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  10. Re:Guitar Hero: not about playing guitar by hal2814 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It's just DDR played with your fingers."

    And DDR is just Simon played with your feet. It seems we've come full circle.

  11. Just confirms... by JustNiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a bass player who's played in many rock bands this just confirms what I've found.. many lead guitar players get away with having bad or even no sense of rhythm/time.

  12. Re:Wohh.. Watch it pal by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 2, Interesting
    WOW!
    Well, I was mostly just kidding. COORELATION != to Cause & Effect. It's true that I might have rare "natural" abilities, or am some kind of mutant.

    But since you replied, could you please explain your response by clarifying the sentance:
    Constantly exceeding the speed limit suggests that there are other things which would make me think you are a poor driver.
    I really don't know what your trying to say here.

    Also, How are you defining "GOOD"? Is a Good Driver one who never gets a speeding ticket, never has an accident but drives 59 in the passing lane? Is it the nice guy who signals, and lets people in all the time, but allways "California" stops?. Is it someone who has a chase to caught ratio of 100:1 or 100:0? How long does it take for a person to become a good driver? If a person had a few accidents but then went the next 10 years without? What about exercising the ability to execute a flawless J - turn in an emergency situation? (this really happened to me, I was going up a steep hill in a 4x4 on icy terrain, and well, ABS doesn't work going backwards (not on street roads either)

    As for shooting expierience, I hit four out of my first 5 clay pigeons with a shotgun, the fith was thrown before I was set. My first Duck was shot on my first try also. (My brother in law took me out. I ate it, wasn't fond, and haven't hunted since) The rifle thing happened shortly after. I do think video games taught me to wait until I was 100% sure I would hit the shot before I took it. I can say that video games don't prepare you for the KICK or the shoulder pains. (Honestly, I was crapy with the handgun. The kick throws your hand all over the place, and I was never "set" for my second shot.)

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  13. Regarding The Backlash... by HeavenlyBankAcct · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "I play guitar in real life, so why would I want to play this game" are just symptomatic of a self-entitled attitude that I've found to be somewhat pervasive throughout the world of 'unsigned musicians.' After spending years and years and years slugging it out in several local music scenes (with marginal aptitude, at best, I admit), I have come to realize that many musicians, who subconsciously realize the real-world triviality of their pursuits, ultimately look to rationalize and justify their stake in the pursuit by painting their efforts as far more Herculean than they are. This is one of the main reasons why it's rare to meet a musician that doesn't consider his creations to be his "life's work" or to view his status as a musician as anything other than a divine calling or a reason for being. The simple fact is that many people are uncomfortable with the realization that what they do is, ultimately, entertainment and seek instead to find karmic value for their priorities by portraying the act of strumming a guitar to be somehow akin to finding a cure for cancer or (and this is ALL to common) actively working towards social change. Yes, I play guitar in real life, and yes -- I love Guitar Hero. Why? Because it's fun. Yes, I can plug in a real guitar and learn those songs and play them (if, of course, that was something I felt any desire to do), as can any moderately skilled player with an instrument and access to transcriptions of the tunes. But the simple fact of the matter is that Guitar Hero is a completely different kind of enjoyable activity than that of actual 'music making.' For some of us who exert a good deal of mental energy in their songwriting and playing, a game like Guitar Hero presents a refuge from intellectualizing things like "having fun." It's a way to enjoy myself casually and to do so using a skillset I'm already decent with (moving my fingers in a guitar-like motion) as opposed to something that's frustrating and foreign to my brain (first-person shooters and the like.) I firmly believe that those who feel the need to point out that Guitar Hero is somehow 'beneath them' because of their musical abilities are simply looking for a pedestal from which to impart "wisdom-on-high." No, playing Guitar Hero is not the same as playing a real guitar -- Hell, neither is checkers. But I'm still at a loss as to how those components could be even remotely analogous to anyone's mind unless they were merely searching for a "deeper meaning" where it doesn't exist.