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Delays, Delays, Delays

It's a constant in game releases: delays. There is news today of a number of games frustratingly being put-off until (in some cases) much later. Probably most shocking is news that Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is not going to be available for the PS3 launch. The title won't be available on Sony's console until Q1 2007. Somewhat less surprisingly, Half-Life 2 Episode 2 is going to be available in the summer, not in the spring. There's a raft of Xbox titles that have been pushed out to Summer as well. Forza 2, Shadowrun, and Too Human will not be available until June of 2007. Finally, the possibility for more frustrations for the often-frustrated European gamers. Via commentary on Gamasutra, a post on the Three Speech blog (a Sony organ) has Phil Harrison dodging the March launch for the PS3 in Europe. From Three Speech: "Given that all of our previous statements about launching in Europe simultaneously with the US and Japan turned out not to be the case, I would not like to make any definitive statements on that. It's not my job to comment on hardware supply issues other than to say some very smart people are working very hard to catch up. In fact, the ramp up is already starting to happen in supply and output, just obviously too late for us to have launched in Europe at the same times as the US."

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  1. Delayed, you say? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had been going to make a really funny, insightful comment here - but unfortunately this long-awaited event has been delayed until the third quarter of 2007 at the very earliest.

    Sorry.

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    1. Re:Delayed, you say? by shoolz · · Score: 1

      You'll still beat Duke Nukem' to market.

    2. Re:Delayed, you say? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked six years in the video game industry for Accolade/Infogrames/Atari (same company) and was a lead tester for ten titles over a three year period. The funny thing is that marketing sets a date without asking anyone, top management waves a fat bonus in front of the producer if the project is done a month earlier than the marketing date, and everyone gets mad when I add two months to the marketing date. My dates are almost always perfect (plus/minus two weeks). Does QA get the fat bonus that the producer lost? Oh, hell no.

    3. Re:Delayed, you say? by Kazzahdrane · · Score: 1

      Hopefully Minerva Episode 3 before HL2 Episode 2? ;)

    4. Re:Delayed, you say? by Speare · · Score: 0
      I had been going to make a really funny, insightful comment here

      You say you're Ford Prefect, but I think you wioll haven be Dr. Dan Streetmentioner.

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    5. Re:Delayed, you say? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 1

      Hopefully Minerva Episode 3 before HL2 Episode 2? ;)

      Heh. Ideally before Christmas, although that's possibly pushing things just a bit... ;-)

      Definitely before Valve's release, anyhow. I'm not quite running on Valve Time...

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  2. HL2:Ep2 by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought episodic content was supposed to cure the delay woes and reduce cost. 0/2.

    1. Re:HL2:Ep2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. THIS is actually the "shocking" news.

      But of course the article has been Zonked, so of course the PS3 delays are top billing and the most critical.

    2. Re:HL2:Ep2 by LMN8R · · Score: 1

      how about getting back to me when there's a 5 year span between episode 1 and episode 2, thanks/\.

    3. Re:HL2:Ep2 by Fozzyuw · · Score: 3, Funny
      I thought episodic content was supposed to cure the delay woes and reduce cost. 0/2.

      It is, and that's why Duke Nukem Forever is changing formats!

      Cheers,
      Fozzy

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    4. Re:HL2:Ep2 by EmperorKagato · · Score: 1

      Yes, for the PC platform. I bet the Steam team is having trouble porting the base engine that powers all games available through steam to the XBox.

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    5. Re:HL2:Ep2 by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      Amen. It's starting to feel a bit more like a ripoff than a delay at this point. It's one thing to wait for a sequel and quite another to have to wait a year for something billed as an "episode."

      Clearly Valve promised more than they're actually delivering. If the market for this kind of game disappears, I hope at least that they're honest enough to realize the cause.

      TW

    6. Re:HL2:Ep2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a fair comment. Would you prefer that Valve cranked out tons of crap in a hurry just to milk the HL2 cash cow?

      History suggests that if you give them time, they will put out a decent, well-polished game. I'd rather play a good game next summer than a crappy one this winter.

    7. Re:HL2:Ep2 by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1

      What if I sold you a 12 issue magazine supscription, but keep delaying the each issue? I claim the reason is to keep my quality standards very high. You easily wait a year or more for each issue. How does that feel. Personaly, I'd cancel my subscription.

      Claim quality is the reason all you want for Valve's actions. It might be true. But if they really need this long to meet their quality standards, they should remove the "episodes" lable from their marketing materials. It's disingenuous to bill this as serial entertainment and then not release on a predictable (and reasonably short) timetable.

      TW

  3. Chicken and egg... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Platform makers want the games NOW to help future platform sales. Game makers want higher platform sales NOW to help future game sales.

    On the other hand, letting a product slip past the Christmas buying season should be worth worth two or three heads at any game company worth its salt.

    1. Re:Chicken and egg... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On the other hand, letting a product slip past the Christmas buying season should be worth worth two or three heads at any game company worth its salt.


      which heads? the heads that asked for that last minute change to the game that caused things to break and it to have to go through qa again? the heads that arbitrarily cut a few months off the schedule here and there to make the milestones for the publisher which caused the coders to put in 100+ hour weeks and be zonked out for a few weeks afterwards? or maybe the heads in marketing which went ahead and overpromised on the features despite the devs saying that if feature x was added the game was going to miss ship date?

      Note that I don't work at any of those companies, but having been in the software development industry for many years 9 times out of 10 the reasons why something slips are not the developers' or qa's fault (and guess what, if something slips 9 times out of 10 it's the devs/qa that get canned, not the people who were actually responsible, since more often than not they are the ones that have to decide who is going to be the sacrificial lamb this time).
    2. Re:Chicken and egg... by HeavenlyBankAcct · · Score: 1

      Attention, Blizzard -- This means you. You dropped the ball, and now you must feel the wrath of the post-Christmas consumer dead zone. Excellent point.

    3. Re:Chicken and egg... by Ninjaesque+One · · Score: 1

      There are two approaches to video-gaming; the Nethack approach, which means many, many features and ridiculous dev time(20-something years and counting), and the Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing, which took a few weeks to conceptualize and finish. It is a testament to the betterness of the Nethack approach that all of these delays are occuring.

      There is now only one option: Open-Source Starcraft. With everything. Including the kitchen sink.

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    4. Re:Chicken and egg... by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      The give nintendo Europe this doubt as well, they let slip a lot of their major titles coming out in the other regions slip past chrismas as well, for whatever reason!

  4. As heard on Nintendo HQ by knightmad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wiiiiiiiii

    1. Re:As heard on Nintendo HQ by Gertlex · · Score: 1

      Quite disappointingly, Super Smash Bros. Brawl was initially supposed to be a release game but has been delayed till spring :(

    2. Re:As heard on Nintendo HQ by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Cartman, is that you? Why there's no Nintendo Wii in the 25th century?

    3. Re:As heard on Nintendo HQ by justchris · · Score: 1
      You know, I keep hearing people say that, but it was never actually announced for launch. It was talked about as a launch game, but no one at Nintendo ever said they planned to have it at launch. The first concrete date given was March 2007 at E3 this year. Since then it's been pushed back to later spring of 2007.

      Now, Metroid Prime was supposed to be a launch game, but was pushed back to early 2007 for unspecified reasons.

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  5. Does this mean ... by 0racle · · Score: 1

    That DNF won't be available for this Christmas?

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    1. Re:Does this mean ... by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It'll be a UK\Europe PS3 launch title.

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  6. Don't know about anyone else. . . by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 2, Insightful

    . . .But I welcome these delays on the condition that when the game does come out it is truly better than it would have been without delays. . .

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    1. Re:Don't know about anyone else. . . by donaldm · · Score: 1

      For Europe as in Australia/New Zealand the PS3 and games delay can be blessing in disguise since if you are willing to wait till after March (up to next Christmas) home theater prices are going do drop dramatically and if you serious at getting one then you will find many retailers will throw in a PS3 or an Xbox360 as an bonus. I know of one retailer who is doing this for a 720p 42in LCD HDTV and Xbox360 now although in my opinion I would rather wait for the price drop on 1080p HDTV's in January 1997 onwards.

      Good rule of thumb for 40in HDTV, 720p is fine, but over 40in then 1080p is worth considering but wait for the January/March price drop. My prediction is by Christmas 2007 large HDTV's will predominately be 1080p (crystal ball gazing here) since SED and possibly laser TV are slated to come out and if you believe the hype they will cause another HDTV price crash.

      Actually it is people who can afford a home theater that Microsoft and Sony are after since they will be the ones who can and will purchase movies and games. I can actually see the Wii being relegated to the kids bedroom and only put on the home theater system if the parent(s) want to play a specific Wii game.

      My attitude to a delay in a game is while I may be initially disappointed I would rather the game worked without the need of bug fixes which I have seen in many PC games. Of course too great a delay then you have a problem.

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    2. Re:Don't know about anyone else. . . by Babbster · · Score: 1
      Good rule of thumb for 40in HDTV, 720p is fine, but over 40in then 1080p is worth considering but wait for the January/March price drop.


      I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say, and obviously I don't know how European LCD pricing is going, but I would say that at least one 1080p model - the Westinghouse 37" - is worth considering right now. I've seen the price on that one as low as US$1,200 which is competitive with the big-brand 720p (well, 768p) sets.
  7. Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem, Duke Nukem.... by sproketboy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    nt

  8. PS3 Euro Launch Date Slips, Consumer Spending Up by andphi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Retailers throughout Europe have reported an upswing in consumer spending following the announcement that the long-awaited Sony PlayStation 3 will not go now be available until sometime after March 2007. Asked why he was suddenly spending more money, Jan Dinkemtinkem of Amsterdam responded, "They've pushed the launch date back. I've seen saving for the Gold Package for a year. I can save a little more slowly now! I bought three dozen scarves. Everyone I know is getting one for Christmas."

    In France, Marci Beaucoup explained her recent spending spree. "I've wanted the PS3 for a long time, but they're taking so long with it. I can't buy it yet, and I'm getting tired of waiting. I bought a case of really good Merlot instead. I'll save up for the PS3 later. Maybe I'll start a year or two after it launches."

    And in Italy, bread sales went up dramatically, though some shoppers still seem confused about whether '1.6' means 1.6 euro or 1.6 million lirra.

  9. European Launch by ljc86 · · Score: 1

    At least Elder Scrolls might be ready for the European Launch...

    1. Re:European Launch by Amouth · · Score: 1

      yea but you know.. even if it is.. they will dely the release because.. well as sony said.. they like waiting

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  10. Delays, delays, delays = meaningless headline by diodeus · · Score: 1

    How about some context here.

    1. Re:Delays, delays, delays = meaningless headline by oc255 · · Score: 1

      How about the games part in games.slashdot.org? Even RSS readers and external links would give you the chance to hover over it and see the URL. If already surfing on /., the "Games:" gives it away. I guess the only way it's a mystery is the incoming surfer from an external link with their status bar turned off or their hyperspeed surfing switch turned on. As in, you don't see the URL before you click.

      Beats theregister.co.uk headlines for sure:
      Wikipedia Chicken attacked = an article I'm guessing is about wikipedia vandalism, I read it and I still don't get it.
      Alien pope abductors want open Wi-Fi access = Wow. Case and point?

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  11. Speaking of which by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still pissed at the delay of the GameCube Twilight Princess. No not that one, the other one. Noooo, not -that- one the OTHER one.

    1. Re:Speaking of which by Robot+Randy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, My oldest daughter had it on preorder since almost day one. (years ago?)

      She finally gave up when they announced that the Wii version would ship first and changed the order to be for the Wii disk.

      And now it kinda looks like the only Wii that'll be available is in a "Bundle" with (wait for it...) Twilight Princess among other things.

      Typical.

  12. "Probably most shocking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shocking? The announcement that a video game may be at most four months late is shocking?

    Do you not watch the evening news?

    1. Re:"Probably most shocking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is his whole bloody point. Now he has to watch the evening news instead of playing the game!

  13. Wiilays, too by RyoShin · · Score: 1

    Just in case this seems lop-sided, the Nintendo Wii has delays as well: the quirky but interesting title, Elebits, has been delayed about a month. Konami says the game is done, but Nintendo's Q&A process has held back the release.

    1. Re:Wiilays, too by hords · · Score: 1

      This has been known for quite some time though. Even when I preordered my Wii at Gamestop it wasn't on the list of launch titles. At least it wasn't delayed to 07.

  14. So we'll have to wait and see... by mbourgon · · Score: 2, Funny

    if Shadowrun's going to suck as much as all of us anticipate?

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  15. I'd rather play a delayed game that WORKS by SpecialAgentXXX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How many times do we buy a game the day it is released only to find out it really wasn't ready for production and was rushed out to meet sales? How many times does a Patch 1.0 come out with in the next month or two to fix it? And more importantly, how many times have you spent hours playing a game only to have it lock up and/or not be able to finish a mission because of a bug which then screwed up your other missions (i.e. ES4:O)?

    For games, and more generally for software, I almost always put a self-imposed "delay" waiting for the first Patch to come out. It makes my gaming experience more enjoyable. I know because the times I've bought day 0 games, I've spent more time on the support forums reading how others have worked around their problems than actually playing the game.

  16. Better Delayed Than Sucky by TychoCelchuuu · · Score: 1

    I think it was Miyamoto who said "A delayed game is good eventually, but a bad game is bad forever."

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  17. I laugh at him, but Harrison is smart. by kinglink · · Score: 1

    How many jokes have you personally made about the Ps3. If you say 0 you're either a saint or a sony fan boy. And there's no saints in the console wars. Unless we're discussing saint's row (company plug).

    Honestly though Harrison and Sony has been ridiculed up and down the street, if they said "oh it'll be available tommorow" we'd laugh at them, if they say Next christmas we'd laugh at them. They finally are wising up that manybe they shouldn't promise the moon every time they speak.

    On the other hand it's too late, almost all the damage has been done, and now not confirming that the PS3 will be available even by March 2007 makes me think there will be a couple if not a lot of 360s sold this holiday.