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Google's Test Search Engine

Bengt noted Google's SearchMash which is a testbed search engine. Google spokesbot says: "The goal of Searchmash is to test innovative user interfaces in order to continually improve the overall search experience for our users. The experimental search engine looks very different from Google's Web sites and lacks Google branding. In this way, Google believes the site will yield more objective feedback from users."

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  1. feedback on the feedback by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just tried it and gave a search "NASA shuttle" (on topic...) and it gives a page displaying search results, image results and wikipedia results.
    There is a small area asking for feedback:


    Were these results useful to you?
    Web Pages Yes / No
    Images Yes / No
    Wikipedia Yes / No


    Well, The page results were as expected so Yes, as was wikipedia (even though it was closed to start with) and the results for images would be useful if I could see them (they were at the bottom of the page and not visible at first, so I clicked no).

    How can I tell them that the images would be really good if they were somewhere else on the screen?
    If they want feedback, they should let people give feedback.

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    1. Re:feedback on the feedback by bismark.a · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And lose 10% on your maximum query size?

    2. Re:feedback on the feedback by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 5, Insightful
      How can I tell them that the images would be really good if they were somewhere else on the screen?
      It's very likely that, in addition to a public beta, Google is doing some live user testing on the interface, where stuff like that would be picked up. It's pretty easy to tell if your screen layout is wrong when you watch a few people try to accomplish tasks with it. Learning whether or not people's actual search problems are solved, however, requires huge numbers of test subjects in real world situations like this!
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    3. Re:feedback on the feedback by Kijori · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I can't see any feedback form, but as someone mentioned, they review what people search for, so you could just search for "images box is too far down".

  2. yes for wikipedia by cucucu · · Score: 5, Informative
    I used searchmash and voted for results for wikipedia. Some time ago I found the following firefox quick searches to be very useful: Do ./ers have good wikipedia quick searches to share?
    1. Re:yes for wikipedia by thc69 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In both Firefox and Opera, you can add nearly any search as a quick search by right-clicking in the text box.

      As for me, I have a local home.html in which I put every search I use, with the html stripped of everything I don't need, and the options I use pre-selected.

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    2. Re:yes for wikipedia by MentalMooMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search =%s&go=Go in opera under search keyword "w". It uses the wikipedia search, which will automatically go straight to the article if it finds a good enough match, or if not, then it'll display a list of articles sorted by relevance. Why rely on google to do it?

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  3. "google censorship" by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Try searching for "google censorship" and it shows:

    Web Pages - about 190,000

    And relevent wikipedia articles

    I guess it works.

  4. Leechy by ostehaps · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nice. Just unfortunate that the results page looks uncannily like on of those domain leech default pages.

  5. Re:It looks like ... a search engine by kurtis25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's the other things that are 'revolutionary'. 1. You can (or at least could at one point) rearrange the search results by dragging them up and down - Future application on influencing the ranking on sites. 2. Numbering of search results - not 'revolutionary' but useful i can tell you to search for nasa and see the 3rd result. 3. the options menu when you click on the green url. - I can imagine it will eventually include choices for mapping to address on site, site search (via coop) and so on. 4. start typing to search - fixes that issue with firefox where it tries to search and IE where sometimes goes up to the address bar and you end up searching using msn.com

  6. Horrible by springbox · · Score: 3, Informative

    This site requires JavaScript to be enabled to work. I don't usually complain about that, but every other search engine (including Google) that I've ever used works just fine without it enabled.

    1. Re:Horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, at some point, you're going to have to take off the tinfoil and enable Javascript if you want to take advantage of all the shiny new tubes.

      They are using it to do some nice stuff here, such as expanding a single page arbitrarily instead of generating the usual set of "" index buttons that obscures previous results when you navigate between pages. I like this UI a lot... no more trying to remember how many times I need to hit the Back button to return to a desired result.

    2. Re:Horrible by brogdon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "This site requires JavaScript to be enabled to work. I don't usually complain about that, but every other search engine (including Google) that I've ever used works just fine without it enabled."

      The site is essentially a test harness for working on new UI ideas and techniques. Why in the world should they slow themselves down by catering to people who don't want any of the 2.0 stuff the site is engineered to develop?

      What's next, you going to complain that it's not compatible with NCSA Mosaic? Just use the regular Google page, FFS.

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    3. Re:Horrible by springbox · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't have a problem with sites that use JavaScript to do neat things, but it's dangerous to rely so heavily on it. I have used "web 2.0" sites that did an all JavaScript search on a single page.. After doing a few searches, I wanted to go back through my search history but pressing the back button took me to a completely different site (the one I was viewing before it.) Things can get like that if designers get too comfortable with their neat interface and can break a lot of things. Like, bookmarking the current page always takes you back to the site's "home page." The same thing happens with sites that present themselves only using Flash. Those are a pain to navigate and return to.

    4. Re:Horrible by TeknoHog · · Score: 3, Informative

      My main problem with the JS there is that it breaks a pretty universal UI feature: scrolling the page with arrow keys. When the search field is visible, it takes focus no matter what, so you cannot scroll with arrows -- or even with PgUp/PgDn! You can try this neatly by scrolling to the very bottom; from there you can scroll up with the keyboard, but only until you see the search field. I came across a similar problem very recently on another site, and promptly complained.

      Some JS effects are actually quite useful, like Slashdot's new discussion system.. Such ideas can add to existing functionality without breaking the old, which is nice.

      I used to think scrollwheels on mice are useless gimmicks, since the arrow keys provide the same functionality. It seems the solution is to disable the oldskool way via software, so you can sell more mice. Or you can probably use the scrollbars on the side/bottom, if you prefer the extremely inconvenient way of life.

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  7. Googles feedback page! by MrShaggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    I found this out. It seems relatively hidden.

    Googles Web Help Center There is a link at the bottom of the page, that will allow you to send them comments ala suggestion box style. I already suggested that being able to move the content around ala the google.com/ig site, would be nice, as well as a link or webform, that would let people truly feedback would be great.

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  8. Still no "non-commercial" bit by Denial93 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Including Wikipedia makes sense. I now rely on Wikipedia way more than I rely on Google for my informational needs, because it isn't cluttered with pseudo-information that has no other purpose other than sell me something. To me, although perhaps not to Google, this is spam and it makes me not want to use Google. Of couse I can exclude pages involving "buy" or "customer service" from my results, but this is an inconvenience and I rarely bother to do so if (more often than not) I can find what I need on the wiki.

    And when I want to use Wikipedia, I do not need to go via Google. Google would make themselves useful in a more unique way if they offered optional filtering of sales sites. Let me see pages on Catholic Saints that don't involve "special price" candles with pictures of them, give me information on my car without hundreds of businesses offering to replace it. And when I do want to spend money on the web (which is way less often than the times I look for information), I'll tell you Google, thank you very much.

  9. Re:questionable reference built in by Digicrat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a very good question.

    I also wonder if Google, aside from this, has donated anything to the wikipedia foundation? Google does claim they support open products, and Wikipedia has been at the top of most regular search results for a while. That doesn't give them any obligation of course, but would be a good-will-promoting-and-tax-reducing-act towards a non-profit that complements Google's offerings.

    Of course the real controversy here should be that does including Wikipedia as a special-case in search results lead to a greater trust in the accuracy of Wikipedia's content? And is that trust merited?

  10. I don't get it... by Zaphod2016 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When searching for myself, Google and Searchmash both show the same images; Searchmash simply moves them to the bottom of the screen where I can't see them.

    Images: yes / no / dumb location?

    Does Google *really* need user feedback to know this is a dumb layout? Why not move the pics to the empty area in the right margin? Oh, that's right- that's where the ads will go...

  11. This site is a little messed up by MrJynxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ok,

    Is this some kind of joke?

    I just typed in "hd-dvd" on that searchmash.com website. And at the bottom of the page was a guy sucking another guys dick. Don't believe me? Try it yourself.. that's not the type of thing I'd expect to be seeing on a Sunday morning.

    MrJynxx

    1. Re:This site is a little messed up by kicks-ass · · Score: 4, Informative

      Argh! ars technica linked to it http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/4/ 24/3724 .. no wonder the high rank look for the "always look better " link in the last paragraph

    2. Re:This site is a little messed up by Paranoia+Agent · · Score: 4, Funny

      Did you find that result helpful? Yes/No

    3. Re:This site is a little messed up by hotkey · · Score: 4, Informative

      Look at the full-size picture: http://www.saitti.org/images/HD-DVD.jpg (WARNING: Very NSFW!) The red text explains the reason. Basically, ars technica linked the picture from this guy without permission, so he decided to have some fun.

  12. "space bar for more" is nice by sunhou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I often use space bar to page down in my web browser. I like the way, if you hit space bar while already at the bottom of the page, it adds another 10 results to the list, so you can continue hitting space bar to keep looking at more matches. It works for both web search and image search. I hate having to reach for the mouse to get to the next page of results (or using the mouse in general -- it's too slow, compared to keyboarding).

    Maybe that's why it uses javascript, which others have been complaining about.