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Leopard Vs. Vista

Rockgod writes to point us to an ongoing series of articles, "Leopard vs. Vista," by Daniel Eran. The latest is part 4, Naked Sales, and it's a meditation on hardware without Windows, Apple's strategy of hardware-software integration, and the dissatisfactions that arise from the creative tension between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers. (The earlier articles in the series are linked form this one.) From the article: "The vast majority of PCs come with Windows pre-installed, and actually can't be sold without it. Leading PC hardware makers can't freely advertise PCs sold without Windows, or with an alternative OS such as Linux, without having to pay Microsoft significantly more for every other OEM license they ship. That's why all name brand PCs prominently repeat their own version of the cult-like phrase 'Dell recommends Windows XP Professional,' as if there were a choice in the matter and they thought it would be helpful to provide some guidance... Apple's current Get a Mac advertising campaign doesn't compare Mac OS X to Windows, it compares the complete experience of a Mac with that of a PC. After all, Windows is only half of what's wrong with the PC as a product."

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  1. Re:I must say, as one of the biggest apple fans... by linuxci · · Score: 1, Troll

    I agree, Roughly Drafted is the Fox News of Mac sites. The bias is so obvious. I agree that the integration of Mac OS X and the hardware has produced some excellent systems. But it's also possible to get good quality PC's too just because all the Dell offers of the week are rather shoddy more high end stuff can be decent quality.

    The only thing I don't like about OEM PC's is basically having to pay for Windows even if you don't want it (yes, I know they offer some with linux and maybe you can get a refund) but to take advantage of the full catalogue you'll probably end up with Windows.

    However, in the end I choose a Mac, it offers something the others don't (a decent OS pre-installed) and then I can add Linux as a dual boot if I want to.

  2. Dump one software monopoly for a hardware one by lohphat · · Score: 0, Troll

    "The vast majority of Macs come with OS X pre-installed, and actually can't be sold without it. Leading Apple hardware makers can't freely advertise Macs sold without OS X, or with an alternative OS such as Linux, without having to pay Apple significantly more for every other OEM license they ship. That's why all Macs prominently repeat their own version of the cult-like phrase 'Apple recommends OS X,' as if there were a choice in the matter and they thought it would be helpful to provide some guidance... Apple's current Get a Mac advertising campaign doesn't compare Mac OS X to Windows, it compares the complete experience of a Mac with that of a PC. After all, OS X is only half of what's wrong with the Macs as a product."

    There. Fixed it for ya.

  3. Troll by SuperStretchy · · Score: 0, Troll

    "After all, Windows is only half of what's wrong with the PC as a product."

    Is it possible to have a post that is flamebait?

    I think the problem with the PC market is the faction that seeks to undermine the popularity of the PC. For what reason? Their personal financial gain perhaps?

    Yet another ad disguised as a post.

  4. Re:subject by DanielNS84 · · Score: -1, Troll

    Games...try playing all your favorite games on a Mac or Linux system... Yes maybe one or two work but that's it, Windows has a monopoly on games at this point.
    But then again...what if you want to reboot only once every year...try that on Windows...
    Can't think of anything Mac only at the moment...

  5. Mac is just a PC with OS/X instead of Windows by Glasswire · · Score: 1, Troll

    A bit more stylish perhaps, but only major architectural difference at the platform level is the use of EFI boot - which the PCs will get to shortly anyway (it's been around for years and is superior to BIOS, but conservative vendors have held off using it).
    Apple probably wanted it because (other than being more powerful and better) it gives them some control of what OS goes on Macs and lets them also make it more difficult to run OS/X on non-Mac non-EFI systems.

  6. Re:This is getting old... by lohphat · · Score: 0, Troll

    THANK YOU!

    The APple hardware monopoly is glanced over time and time again by Mac zealots as they throw stones at PCs.

    With a PC I have choices: AMD vs Intel, nVidia vs ATI, Tyan vs ASUS, Corsair vs Kingston, WD vs Seagate, XP vs Fedora vs BSD vs SUSE, etc. etc. etc.

    With Macs I have have what Apple blesses. "See how seamlessly it works!?" Yeah, because you only support that hardware, duh. I had to buy extra storage for various servers we have (which predate my arrival) and a 500GB SATA drive from Apple is $400; I can get a 500GB SATA for a PC for $220.

    Macs are the Scientology of computing.

  7. What the hell is this? by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 0, Troll

    After reading the article, I can't quite tell why the hell this is on Slashdot. It's just someone's rants on a stupid blog - why the hell is that newsworthy at all? It's not even really a comparison of Mac OS and Windows at all, it's just a rant about how much better OS X is.

    The blogger is so stupid that he somehow thinks it's appropriate to bundle operating system sales and hardware sales on the same chart, to make it look like Macs are more popular than they actually are. You can't turn a 2.5% market share into a 5% market share just by giving Microsoft 50% of the PC market! The numbers HAVE NO MEANING if you do that.

  8. Re:For nerds at least by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    So now after digg.com, Slashdot is also being infected by this Daniel-Eran-I-Love-Apple worm. Crazy World!

  9. Re:subject by DanielNS84 · · Score: -1, Troll
    Delicious Library
    This isn't really anything special, I can say I have the world's first hybrid shoe-phone but that doesn't make it useful.

    Comic Life
    Software that allows you to add comic style bubble quotes to your photos for only 30 dollars? Tell me more!

    Grid Computing out of the box
    The last time I checked this came with quite a few Linux distros...

    Handbrake (although I hear there's a Windows beta now)
    HandBrake is a GPL'd multiplatform, multithreaded DVD to MPEG-4 ripper/converter. HandBrake was originally available on the BeOS, but now has been ported over to MacOS X and to GNU/Linux. A Windows port is being worked on.

    MacTheRipper
    "MacTheRipper is a freeware DVD ripper (extractor) for Mac OS X"

    DVD Shrink - DVD Ripping and Backup
    Latest Version - 3.2.0.15
    Operating System Support - Windows 9x/2000/XP
    License - Freeware
    Status : Better than MacTheRipper


    iLife (iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand, iWeb)
    I don't see anything in that group that I don't enjoy a better version of on both my XP and Gentoo install...

    Shake
    This is a plugin for a proprietary piece of movie software, not a program itself...and nothing unique or innovative.

    Logic, and Logic Express
    The only thing I can see different from this and MY music software is you have to shell out 300 dollars for it...

    Final Cut Pro
    Just another video editing program...

    This list of Mac-only software was written from my memory in less than 30 seconds. I'm of the very strong belief that tides have turned, and now OS X has the strongest line-up of software available on any platform at any price.
    WRONG! Over 99% of software is written either exclusively for Windows or supports it...Apple's small selection of software tends to not only be restrictive and expensive, but also no more functional than it's Windows counterparts.

    Sure, there may be 10x more contenders for various tools (like DVD rippers, editing software, etc.) but the best in class is on the Mac.
    Opinion, and not even a good one at that.

    And it keeps getting better all the time due to technologies like Core Data, and Core Image, (and now Core Animation)
    Old technology just now reaching the Mac...

    that means that one person developing for the Mac can produce something that would take ten people to do the same on Windows.
    Hilarious, you sound like you just read that out of a magazine...Mac's are slower, more expensive, and less functional. The only reason people buy them is because they're pretty and they heard from a friend that they're easier to use (Read : Less Options). Macintosh fanboys always list off the same weak reasons for switching and they're always wrong.
  10. Re:subject by DanielNS84 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I have no idea what you're talking about right now.

  11. Re:Shake by DanielNS84 · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Apple killed support of Shake on Windows shortly after acquiring NothingReal"
    Sounds like a company I want to support...
    "Just to note... Shake is a compositing application, and a fairly nice one at that."
    Image compositing? I can think of plenty of applications on Windows that do that...in fact, here's one that only does image compositing just for you...and it's free...
    http://www.topshareware.com/Image-Inc.-download-44 355.htm

  12. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    The vast majority of PCs come with Windows pre-installed, and actually can't be sold without it. Leading PC hardware makers can't freely advertise PCs sold without Windows, or with an alternative OS such as Linux, without having to pay Microsoft significantly more for every other OEM license they ship.


    Pure and utter bullshit. Why do people still believe this lie?

    Sooo... can I buy a Mac without an Apple OS pre-installed?

    So who was the monopolist again?

    Working for MS' legal department must be fucking hilarious. The endless MS monopoly conspiracy theories are just plain laughable.
  13. Re:subject by Zonk+(troll) · · Score: 0, Troll
    iLife (iMovie, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand, iWeb)

    I don't see anything in that group that I don't enjoy a better version of on both my XP and Gentoo install...


    You obviously have not used iLife if you say that. What's a good alternative to GarageBand? Under Linux Ardour is the closest, but still doesn't compare. Under Windows you'll have to pay a few hundred to get something about as good.
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  14. Hmmmm... by rainman_bc · · Score: 0, Troll

    'Dell recommends Windows XP Professional,' as if there were a choice in the matter

    As if I can buy a mac and install Yellow Dog Linux or whatever. AFAIK Mac's come with OSX and you can't order them without OSX either.

    Same thing folks - if you want to be a fanboi, that's fine, but remember Apple does the same crap and even worse sometimes than Microsoft...

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