Patches For Pine Going Away

md8mart writes to let us know about the imminent shutdown of the site that distributes Pine patches. From the RSS feed of Patches for Pine we read the following bad news for all Pine users: "The Department of Mathematics of the University of Washington will close the account that hosts my Patches for Pine site. I would like to thank the Department of Mathematics for having hosted this site for so many years. I do not have current plans to move this site, but this site will disappear on December 15, 2006. Thank you to everyone who supported me by positive feedback and encouragement to do this work through the years. I will update this information as it becomes available."

Comments

Re:Now is a great time to switch to mutt

[petrus4]

As Pine is not free software

You're assuming that other people care about that. They may not, and they don't have to, either.

Is it so difficult to allow other people to make their own decisions, rather than pushing your values onto them?

Re:Now is a great time to switch to mutt

[petrus4]

If he wants to say that, he should be allowed to.

I didn't say he wasn't...in fact, I specifically attempted to ensure that I would not say that. He was and is entirely allowed to say that. My objecting to what I perceived as arrogance underlying his statement does not detract from his right to make said statement.

What I specifically objected to was his implicit assumption that *everyone* cares about whether or not software is free. (according to the FSF's definition) It's an assumption that FSF advocates make, or try to make, all the time...and it's actually making use of a particular element of psychological warfare that the CIA documented; that of implicit assumption/agreement. The idea is that if you frame your argument in such a way as to make it sound as though your audience implicitly agrees unquestioningly with your first premise, (usually your most important one) it will be much easier to lead them into agreeing with your second.

Re:How would you compare pine and mutt?

[eno2001]

Never mind Mutt. Us 'leet Outlook users are still scratching our heads wondering why on earth anyone is still using a CLI mail app. Face it, the GUI has one and is clearly the victor. I'm willing to bet I could read/cleanse/fold/manipulate 1000 times more messages in a day than any Pine or Mutt users on a given day. There just isn't any benefit to having a CLI mail reader. Maybe in the 1960s there was, but not since the days of Xerox's Star system have CLIs for e-mail made sense. Outlook just does so many things right that you could never do in a CLI mail client, and it's got wicked groupware functionality too.