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NY Times Review of PS3

An anonymous reader noted that the NY Times has done a fairly negative review of the PS3. It would seem that there have been a fair number of these; it's pretty evident at this point that Sony's launch of the PS3 was not exactly well planned out; issues are still rolling in but the real test will be how it does over the holidays and into the next year.

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  1. Just a souped up PS2 by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I managed to play the PS3 in a few stores yesterday. Despite all the hype, the expense, and the motion sensing controller, it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2. The games I played didn't really feel different than the last-gen stuff, and the motion controller was used more as a gimmick (e.g. NBA Live '07) rather than an integral part of the experience. (Though in its defense, Sony kind of screwed their partners by introducing it so late.)

    Basically, if all you want is a PS2 with HDTV graphics and sound, you'll love the PS3. (Assuming you get past the sticker shock.) If you were truly hoping for a new and unique experience, you may have your hopes set a bit too high.

    Hopefully, the situation will change as Sony and their partners have more time to work with the hardware, but they're currently lagging out of the gate.

  2. Wii! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know, there was another console launched this weekend.

    It's even selling out, in spite of its very healthy retail supply (10x the number of units as PS3).

    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/11/20/tech -wii.html
    http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/7278/52/

    Isn't Slashdot going to mention it?

    1. Re:Wii! by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      My thoughts exactly. The only reason I could think of that it hasn't been mentioned is because all the Slashdot editors are busy playing with their Wiis...

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    2. Re:Wii! by Monkeys!!! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot is mentioning it.

      Every second comment, no matter what the fucking article, is about the Wii.

      "After we have dimmed the sun to set back global warming, we can play Mario on our Wii!"

      Saying that, I've got a Wii on pre-order :)

  3. My Experience by DarkNemesis618 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While I realize my experience may differ, my experience was pretty good. I waited at Best Buy and eventually got a 60GB PS3. The line was orderly, civil, and generally not bad. The people there were pretty cool with things, they knew who the people were in line and where they were. There was a list with numbers, as well as roll call every 1-2 hours so people could walk around without fear of losing their spot in line. There weren't any attempts by anyone to jump the line, though there were people who drove up offering money for spots. It was actually a pretty cool system we had set up. I don't know so much as to whether its not so much the launch being the problem versus maybe more the people in lines being the problem. You could have the best planned launch possible but if people in line cause problems, then there's still problems. Could Sony have done things better? Probably. But as I said, I think it's more the people. You get a bunch of assholes, there's going to be problems regardless.

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  4. Features by Nerdfest · · Score: 4, Informative

    In SOny's defense (and you have no idea how much that hurts to say) some of the xbox 360 features they discuss were added after the initial release, so Sony could do the same. The background downloading was adde after and the music you were listening would stop playing when a game was started (but could be started again) was fixed very recently.

  5. Disapointment by HappySqurriel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you want to see someone disapointed give them exactly twice as much stuff for exactly twice the price ... If you want to see someone excited give them exactly half as much stuff for half the price ... I'm not sure if it is human nature, but most people think in the "Super Size It" mentality in which you pay a small ammount more (10%) for a dramatic improvement.

    What this means for the Playstation is that they needed to deliver a dramatic improvement over the XBox 360 for the $100/$200 extra cost up front in order to meet people's expectations. I haven't used the PS3 yet so I don't know whether they did, but I suspect that anywhere they're lacking will be a Huge issue to many people and where they're equal to or better than the XBox 360 will be seen as a Small benefit.

  6. Mixed Review by bateleur · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That wasn't half as negative as it might've been. He complains about a bunch of missing features, but then says he likes the games. No XBox 360 titles receive a favourable comparison.

    If that was the only review I'd read I'd still be quite tempted to buy one, since I preferred the PS2 to the XBox for the games.

  7. Fanboy-talk by RoLi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After I read "Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360 [..]" I knew the article is just hype.

    First of all, Microsoft didn't take the lead, Playstation 2 still outsells all versions of XBox combined by a rather large margin.

    Second, while XBox360 may be very powerful, it sure isn't innovative. The only things that changed between XBox1 and XBox360 are a faster CPU (pretty much to be expected), wireless controllers (not innovative because the technology has been available in stores for many years) and an improved online service (which arguably may be innovative but in fact is just a little more than a glorified ICQ which is nothing really new either).

    I think the PS3 is overpriced, rushed out of the door and overpowered, but it sure is innovative: Cell is a completely new architecture and Blu Ray a completely new storage medium.

    Of course innovative doesn't equal "better" - which probably is a very subjective thing. However when it comes to innovation I don't see a lot of it on XBox360.

    1. Re:Fanboy-talk by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

      And a CD is a glorified cassette which is a glorified 8-track which is a glorified record which is a glorified phonograph plate (???) which is a glorified imitation singer which is a glorified minstrel which is a glorified poet which is a glorified storyteller which is a glorified cave wall painting which is a glorified grunt, which was really just to pick up cave chicks anyway before resorting to beating them and dragging them hairwise to your cave.

  8. Review review review by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Funny

    (grr, browser deleted first attempt at response)

    There's a lot of "I like the Xbox360 better" in this review. Ok, great. Good luck with that. But this is supposed to be a PS3 review, not a console buying guide that compares the different features. Buy a 360 if you want one. I hear they're great. But "the PS3 is not an XBOX360" is not a valid criticism.

    It's not saying "PS3 != Xbox360". It's saying "PS3 lacks what Xbox360 had at the same point in time". And a review should tell me whether it's a waste of money, and the question of whether something comparable is better speaks directly to that.

    His first specific criticism is that there's no cable to hook up a PS3 to an HD TV. This is simply incorrect. Sony includes a cable that works fine. It doesn't do HD, but it does hook up and let you use the system. This kind of untruth is to be expected from the NY Times, which is more about an agenda than about accurately describing the factual situation.

    Well, that was more to emphasize a deficiency, but I'll agree it was misleading.

    There are some things the reviewer found annoying. These are valid points. But it's the first weekend of the PS3. Did everything go perfectly on the first weekend for the XBOX360? Does everything ever go perfectly? This part of the review was not balanced, but it was useful and therefore adequate.

    But it was balanced -- at the time of the Xbox360's launch, it was quick to set up. At the PS3's launch, it wasn't. Apples to apples.

    There's a paragraph about televisions and walkmans. Does that tell you if the PS3 is fun?

    Please, that's just background info, to acknowledge that this is a deviation from a brand's otherwise good historic reputation.

    I give your review review a 3.5.

    "Who reviews the reviewer reviewers? Reviewer reviewer reviewers review reviewer reviewers."

  9. Some new things are more than souped-up old things by LKM · · Score: 4, Insightful
    it really felt like nothing more than a souped up PS2
    Isn't that what the next generation of anything is?

    Not really. Usually, you do get something more than just "more of the same." Looking at the console history, you got things like 3D graphics (SNES -> PS1), analog sticks (PS1 -> N64), the ability to watch movies (Dreamcast -> PS2) or a real online service (PS2 -> Xbox). Sure, the PS3 brings Blu-Ray, but that's just a better DVD. What else does it have? Most things are faster.

    Compare this to the Wii, which brings a really cool new controller. That's not souped up, that's new.

  10. Re:A review review: this review sucks by iainl · · Score: 4, Informative

    The HDMI cable complaint is completely relevant. Sony have just spent the last year or more trying to persuade people that "only 1080p is True HD", "The next generation starts when we say it starts" and so on, hyping the fact that the PS3 is all about HD.

    Then when you buy one you find that

    a) it only comes with the same rubbish composite cable that the PS2 came with

    b) Motorstorm and Devil May Cry 4 only run at 720p, in order to keep the framerate up

    c) there is no internal scaler, so those of us with 720p TVs that can't take a 1080p signal can't even play the sole launch gem Resistance: Fall Of Man at 720p, and have to resort to standard def.

    Added together, that's a pretty damning failure in their HD strategy.

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  11. Positive Experiences Here by Frobozz0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got a PS3 60Gb at the official NYC launch event at the Sony Style store. Everyone was guaranteed a unit, and we all got one. Things were cival, orderly, and even friendly. I made a couple new friends in line and walked out with my unit at about 2:45 AM!

    My impressions of the unit:

    Resistance looks great and plays great. If you don't like 1st person shooters, don't bother, but if you do you will not be disappointed. I found that most of the game demos on the floor didn't show the best aspects of all the games available. Sad, but true-- the actual game was much better than the demo.

    The downloadable games are a lot of fun and very reasonably priced at under $10 a pop. The launch titles were much stronger than the PS2 launch titles and certainly on par with the Wii and 360. As with any console, the best games will be 6 to 9 months out-- but this is just the typical next-gen timetable. If you have an HD tv, this is the console to get.

    Blu-ray movies look as good as they should. Kudos for that. I consider that a token only because I think it would be hard to screw that up. However, as with DVD, the best experiences are to come. Talladega Nights looked good and sounded great, but I really want the Matrix in Blu-ray to confirm it's superiority to HD-DVD. :-)

    So the PS3 lived up to all the hype. Here are some interesting improvements I'm certain we'll see over time. And, thankfully, we can expect regular updates of functionality just like the 360. Honestly I could go on and on about how much I liked the experience and enjoy the games. I also know full well that there is improvement to be made over time, and it WILL be done. Here are some ideas:

    1) When buying a game demo, purchasing the full game should be an unlock code and not another download. They are large.

    2) You should be able to download content in the background from the store.

    3) Motorstorm is an amazing game and it's a shame it wasn't available on launch day. I can't wait to get my hands on that one.

    4) More Bluetooth compatibility for keyboards and mice.

    5) Drop the price to $399 - $499 and it's a no brainer. $599 was pricy but for me, eh, I'll live with it.

    People love to bash the PS3 and praise the Wii online-- it's progressed to an art form now. But, I just don't see it. I know the Wii is nice and all, but if you are looking for an HD experience look no further than PS3. The games really are great, the downloadable content is competent and very fun, and the UI is pretty slick.

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    1. Re:Positive Experiences Here by AnyNoMouse · · Score: 4, Informative
      Let's try this again, but with FORMATTING! WOOT!

      Blu-ray movies look as good as they should. Kudos for that. I consider that a token only because I think it would be hard to screw that up. However, as with DVD, the best experiences are to come. Talladega Nights looked good and sounded great, but I really want the Matrix in Blu-ray to confirm it's superiority to HD-DVD. :-)
      Then in all likelyhood, you'll be dissapointed. Bluray is fine and all, but that is not a title where you'll see any difference between HD-DVD and Bluray.

      Warner uses Microsoft's VC-1 encoder for all of it's titles. For Bluray releases, they use a tool, written by Microsoft, to convert the encodes to a format the Bluray authoring tools like.

      The PS3, from the reports I've read, doesn't currently support BD-J, so the HD-DVD version will likely have better extras than the Bluray version and have the exact same picture and sound. There aren't any Bluray players that support BD-J (the Java interpreter for Bluray that allows for advanced interactivity features) currently out or announced, BTW. Expect them sometime mid-to-late 2007.

      Like it or not, the extra bandwidth and space avaialble on Bluray isn't turning into better picture quality or sound for Bluray releases at the moment, and may not in the future. Microsoft's codec team has done a spectacular job with their VC-1 tools and they're still making big strides in bringing down the size of HD video. One could argue that they're the primary reason HD-DVD is doing so well today. The only real world advantages that Bluray currently has is studio support (which interestingly enough is not resulting in more titles) and device manufacturer support (ditto).

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