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Egypt Arrests More Bloggers

2think writes "The BBC is reporting that after bloggers highlighted recent public sexual harassment within view of Egyptian police, the government of Egypt has been arresting bloggers." From the article: "The most recently detained blogger, Abdel Kareem Nabil, was detained in Alexandria on 6 November and was charged with disrupting public order, inciting religious hatred and defaming the president. Amnesty International says Mr Amer appeared to have been detained for expressing critical views about Islam and Egypt's al-Azhar religious authorities."

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  1. Seems like a trend by Josh+Lindenmuth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be no surprise that countries with little or no protection of free speech are arresting people for their comments online. Many bloggers use their real names (or make it easy for police to trace them. The people who would be arrested for public dissent should not be surprised if they are arrested for dissent online ... I would hope that many of these people relish the thought of being arrested for blogging, as it sometimes creates worldwide recognition to their cause or their plight.

    It certainly seems that blogger arrests are on the rise, such as the recent Greek blogger arrested for content he didn't write, and the constant string of arrested bloggers and other internet users in China (such as documentary filmmaker Hao Wu). This is probably an indication that Governments are just now learning about the influence commanded by a popular blogger rather than a change in policies around the globe ... it's not like governments are quick to catch up with technical trends.

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    1. Re:Seems like a trend by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

      First: not everyone in the world has a government that allows them the same free speech rights as [your wonderful country here]

      Second: I imagine that the blogger knew that criticizing government officials &/or Islam was a bad career move.

      As usual, TFA isn't that informative.
      Google News will usually lead you to a much better (Reuters) article

      Here's the essentials:
      Egyptian police detained an opposition blogger in a chance security check on Sunday, a human rights group said.

      Blogger Rami Siyam, ..., was detained with three other bloggers leaving a friend's house... The four had been visiting Mohamed el-Sharkawi, himself a blogger who was detained in late July and held for almost three months.

      The area is home to the opposition Ghad (Tomorrow) party's headquarters, and security was especially tight in preparation for President Hosni Mubarak's speech to parliament on Sunday.

      Police asked the four for identification.... They told Siyam their records showed he faced a court case in Sharkia province, and he would be transferred there for further checks. The other three were released.


      It doesn't seem to me that the Egyptian Gov't went out of its way to nab this guy

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    2. Re:Seems like a trend by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is of course against profit- and since they can't sacrifice profit, free speech will be sacrificed instead. Americans are rather weak on ideals, but they're strong on the worship of money. This links back to the article in question because the blogger is a well known socialist and atheist.

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    3. Re:Seems like a trend by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Interesting

      a Conservative Member of Parliament (Garth Turner [garth.ca]) was kicked out of his party for allegedly revealing confidential caucus information on his widely read blog

      Even by absolutist American standards of free speech, that's not a problem -- the party gets to make rules for what members are allowed to do, and kick out people who don't comply.

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    4. Re:Seems like a trend by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It doesn't seem to me that the Egyptian Gov't went out of its way to nab this guy

      Read between the lines. Of course the Egyptian government claimed it was random and a routine part of a security initiative. Seriously, what do you expect the Egyptian government to say? "In a targeted operation against political dissidents, we arrested members coming out of an opposition party's headquarters and took them away on bullshit charges, so that we wouldn't have to openly debate their ideas, and so we could discourage other people from speaking out".

      It's exactly the same deal when the White House moves protesters to a "Free Speech Zone" (a name straight out of 1984) so nobody can hear them. They're never in a million years going to come out and admit they're trying to stifle dissent, they're going to claim it's for the safety of the public and the safety of the protestors themselves.

  2. Re:Freedom of speech, or freedom to hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyway, if you defend this guy, you're being played like a fiddle by the very forces that seek to destroy Western culture. Happy defending, Free Speechnauts!

    On the contrary, if you choose not to defend this person's free speech, you are personally doing what you can do to destroy the bedrock value of Western culture. You can argue against his ideas. But when you support his imprisonment for those ideas, you might as well move to Egypt. You clearly don't support the values of Western culture. You actually appear to be a force seeking to destroy Western culture.

  3. Re:Freedom of speech, or freedom to hate? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That the blogger was anti-Islam seems to be totally irrelevant since Egypt is a secular state (much like Turkey).

    Interesting definition of a secular state- do you think they'll be abandoning the Koran in their constitutions anytime soon? Or will the Turks accept the Kurds and the remaining few Armenians with open arms? I think if they did, they could help solve one of President Bush's major problems by annexing the northern third of Iraq. I'm now convinced that America has no friends in the middle east- only trading partners controlled by the enemy of us all, the petroleum corporations.

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  4. Youtube to the rescue by heli0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here is the type of incident they have been blogging about.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2SGamUeMec

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  5. Re:From what I've seen by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Rape is punishable by death in Islam"

    Yep, in some parts they regularly execute the victims.

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  6. nothing yet? by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's going on here? Not a single comment blaming this on the Iraq war? Nobody trying to tell us that the US is a much worse police state? Wow. Must be an off-day for the slashdot trolls.

  7. Why bloggers are being arrested... by bluesangria · · Score: 4, Informative
    Simple. They witnessed an incident of rioting and mass sexual assaults occurring just after Ramadan during the festival of Eid. The bloggers were witnesses to the police standing by idly while gangs of frenzied men randomly attacked countless women. It was not just "harassment" (such a polite term). It was physical and sexual assaults, beatings, clothes tearing, and rape. It was so bad that shopkeepers and taxi drivers were having to hide women in their shops and cars to protect them from the mobs. The bloggers (many of them men themselves) were outraged.
    The Egyptian government was embarrassed, but its response was to completely deny the incident and censor its press from reporting it. Hence, the outrage came out in the blogs. Note that this happened almost 4 weeks ago on Oct 24 and it's just NOW starting to come out. The government has also taken the stance that the bloggers are trying to "humiliate" Egypt and Islam by talking about the incidence and that's why they are persecuted. Please read these articles for more information

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/15/world/africa/15c airo.html

    http://www.irinnews.org/report.asp?ReportID=56301& SelectRegion=Middle_East

    http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/10/30/the-eid-sexua l-harassment-incident/

  8. Re:From what I've seen by rossz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In Pakistan, they finally changed the law that required four male witnesses to convict a rapist. Without those four witnesses, a women stood a good chance of being punished for infidelity. The religious community is up in arms about this legal change, denouncing it because it will result in sexual promiscuity.

    In Saudi Arabia, a 17 year old girl was recently sentenced to death for killing one of the three men who attempted to rape her and her cousin. The remaining two men were not charged with any crime.

    Don't pretend for one moment that women have any legal rights in an Islamic country. The laws do a better job of protecting horses than women. I'm not being sarcastic. That is an honest fact. Horses have a higher rank in Islamic societies.

    Islam is a religion of oppression and hate. We can all sit in a happy circle and sing kumbaya wishing for peace, but that is a fantasy. The stated goal of Islam is to convert the entire world, by the sword if necessary.

    I will hold this stance against Islam until the major leaders of that sick religion denounce all forms of violence to obtain their goals.

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  9. Re:How apppropriate by Proud+like+a+god · · Score: 3, Informative
    And what's with the beheading crap, that's for murderers (with full intent, not accident or self-defense).

    Tell that to Mirza Tahir Hussain, who just got released from Death Row in Pakistan for a self defence incident when he was being sexually assaulted at gunpoint by a taxi driver. It took Prince Charles, Tony Blair and many more before them to get him freed, not killed, after being found innocent but then retried under Islamic law.