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Mars Probe Probably Lost Forever

David Shiga writes, "NASA's silent Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) spacecraft is likely lost forever. The space agency attempted to take a picture of the 10-year-old spacecraft using the newer Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, but did not detect it, either because its orbit has shifted since last contact, or because it isn't reflecting enough sunlight to be visible. NASA has now ordered its Opportunity rover to listen from the planet's surface for MGS's radio beacon. If that fails, the agency may call on the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft to join the search. But MGS may already have run out of power and NASA officials are not optimistic about recovering it."

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  1. Missing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did they check Mars? I would bet that it is probably there.

  2. Transformers by firehawk2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was that the one crushed by the Decepticons? I don't think we'll be recovering it anytime soon.

  3. May I be the first to say.... by mhore · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...it was obviously captured by aliens.

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    1. Re:May I be the first to say.... by Ridcully · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I claim this probe in the name of Mars! Isn't that delightful?" - Marvin

      Funny that. Aliens taking our probes, rather than the other way 'round.

    2. Re:May I be the first to say.... by stunt_penguin · · Score: 4, Funny

      *shifts uncomfortably in seat*

      Well it's about time they got some probing action.... my doctor says the cream is helping though.

      Thank goodness for small blessings and all that.

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    3. Re:May I be the first to say.... by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please, take our leader!

            Surely they wouldn't be THAT stupid, would they?

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  4. It was a good run... by hedgemage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You got to admit, we've been having some fantastic luck with some of the recent Mars missions. Unfortunately, the luck has either been fantasticly good or fantasticly bad.
    We just have to keep reminding ourselves that sending something millions of miles through space to a speck of rock and have it function so well for so long is an amazing achievement in and of itsself.

    1. Re:It was a good run... by jfruhlinger · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Global Surveyor probe completed its primary mission in 2001 and was in an "extended mission" phase. While its extended mission was to last until 2008, it was already essentially on bonus time. This is definitely still in the good luck category.

    2. Re:It was a good run... by quanticle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the Mars Global Surveyor finished its mission, and had long outlasted its original mission scope when the failure occurred. While unfortunate, this failure isn't wholly unanticipated as the craft was "out of warranty" as it were.

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    3. Re:It was a good run... by dsci · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is definitely still in the good luck category.

      Exactly. People can say what they want about NASA | JPL, but the bottom line is they put up some good stuff much of the time. What really got my eye was how they just 'asked' Opportunity to listen for it. That is, that those things are so dynamic in what they do and can be 'asked' to do simply amazes me.

      Who knew years ago when Opportunity (also past expected mission life, right?) was designed that it would be on-the-fly tasked to listen for another spacecraft's signal. That it was designed in this way is a testament to well planned engineering. IMO.

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    4. Re:It was a good run... by be-fan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I'm incredibly impressed over is the fact that they're mobilizing other space craft in the area to look for the missing probe. The fact that NASA can get spacecraft designed for complete autonomy in extreme environments, and designed years apart by different groups at that, to cooperate with each other all while tens of millions of miles from the closest human, well, that's a pretty impressive bit of engineering.

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  5. This just in... by ectotherm · · Score: 5, Funny

    A pink rabbit beating a large bass drum was just spotted in the vicinity of Mars. Communications with the Mars Probe are expected to resume momentarily... ;)

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  6. Any other options? by Bob54321 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "either because its orbit has shifted since last contact, or because it isn't reflecting enough sunlight to be visible"

    So either it wasn't there or it was there but they didn't see it. I think that has to pretty safe to say they have limited the problem down considerably.

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  7. Plague by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why are humans, a plague on this planet, trying to gain dominion over the others?

    If God had meant us to fly, he'd have given us rocket engines, day one.

    (Yes, tongue is firmly in cheek.)

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    1. Re:Plague by Xzzy · · Score: 4, Informative

      If he hadn't intended us to look at porn, he wouldn't have given us opposable thumbs.

    2. Re:Plague by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Time Bandits)

      Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One!
      [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams]
      Evil: Sorry.

    3. Re:Plague by Plutonite · · Score: 4, Funny

      If he hadn't intended you nitwits to be seen, he would have given me mod points.

  8. Not a bad run by Schemat1c · · Score: 5, Funny

    Continual probing of a heavenly body for almost 10 years? Beats my record by a long shot.

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  9. Re:What is with Mars? by toadlife · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) Because it's fairly close to us?

    2) Because there is evidence that there used to be water on the planet, which means it's possible there used to be life there?

    3) Because it's atmosphere is relatively mild, which makes it easier to build machines that can stand it?

    4) Just because?

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  10. Voyager is going to keep its record... by surfdaddy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for a while longer. The two spacecraft, launched in the mid 1970's, are almost 30 years old. And they're still working, 9 billion miles away. They're well beyond the orbit of Pluto. Now that's impressive. Not to take away from Mars Global Surveyor or the twin rovers.

    1. Re:Voyager is going to keep its record... by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's because Voyager is nuclear powered. Good luck getting the masses to approve shooting up another nuclear power package.

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    2. Re:Voyager is going to keep its record... by cyclone96 · · Score: 5, Informative

      does NASA still get anything from them?

      Absolutely. Voyagers 1 and 2 are still doing significant work, since they are so distant and still functioning. They have begun to encounter the outer reaches of the solar system, where the influence of the Sun ends and interstellar space begins. NASA believes they recently crossed the termination shock and may be approaching the Heliopause. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopause

      It's going to be a very, very, very long time before another probe gets out as far as the Voyagers are (if Pluto Express lasts that long, at least 20 years). Voyager gets a fairly decent chunk of Deep Space Network tracking time because of the importance of what it is doing.

      The oldest satellites still functioning are Pioneers 6,7, and 8, which are all around 40 years old and still ticking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_6,_7,_8_and_9 . They don't get tracked much, however, because the science they are returning has been surpassed by other probes. They've basically become an experiment in how long satellites can still function.

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  11. Re:Time to update... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It might be time to update the Mars Scorecard.... although we got some good work out of the MGS, it might be time to mark this one up for the green guys.


    You know, I mostly stopped commenting (or even reading) space related stories on /. long ago, because the commenters and moderators don't know jack shit about space or space exploration.

    You just got added to the wrong column of that scorecard.

    Mars Global Surveyor was a huge win in Earth's column. The spacecraft returned friggen superb results, for far longer than we expected. We didn't get "some good work out of MGS," we got vast amounts of good work out of it.

    God damn, I wish Slashdot quit posting space related stories.
  12. Re:What is with Mars? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There truly is nothing more to see on that rock, for we have all seen the countless images from mars.

    We've all seen pictures of the top of Mt Everest. Does that mean we should no longer climb mountains? We have seen pictures of the ocean floor. Should we no longer SCUBA dive? By no means! We explore because it is human nature to test our limits, to push the boundaries, to boldly go where no man has gone before.

    We have not even seen one tenth of one percent of the Martian surface, yet there "is nothing more to see". Olympus Mons is the largest volcano in the Solar System, three times as tall as Mt Everest, but who cares. There is nothing to see. Tourists flock by the millions each year to take in the Grand Canyon. The Valles Marineris is the deepest canyon system in the Solar System. Five times deeper, and hundreds of times longer, it makes the Grand Canyon look like a tire rut. But who cares. We've seen a few pictures of a couple of Martian rocks, so there's no point in going to the Valles Marineris. Well, Here's a picture of some Earth rocks, and here's a link to some maps. So now you don't ever have to leave your house.

    As for Mars being lifeless, we do not *know* that there is no life on Mars. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Why, Opportunity could find lichen on a rock tomorrow afternoon.

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  13. Re:So what's the point in trying to see it, anyway by lindsley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Same thing. First, verify it's where it's supposed to be. Second, if the resolution is good enough (and they weren't sure it would be) see if it seems to be oriented correctly.

    If it's not where it's supposed to be, then there's a partial explanation of why it's not responding -- it's off course -- and also tells them their options are limited to setting it straight again. If it is, but it's oriented incorrectly, then the batteries are not getting recharged and you focus on getting it oriented correctly so it can get power again. If it is present, oriented correctly, and still not responding, then you've got a different set of options.

    More information can only help.