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YouTube Stays Relevant Despite Pulled Content
Gray writes "École Secondaire Mont-Bleu has banned all personal electronic devices and suspended two 13-year-old girls after one uploaded to YouTube a camera phone video of their teacher yelling at the other. After the video was posted on the popular internet video site, the teacher was so embarrassed that he stayed home from work, where he remains on stress leave. The teachers' union is now trying to get all personal electronic devices banned from all schools in Western Quebec." Meanwhile, via the PVRBlog comes word that YouTube has helped raise CBS' ratings by some 7-9%. From that article: "CBS has uploaded more than 300 clips that have a total of 29.2 million views on YouTube, averaging 857,000 views per day, since the service launched on October 18. CBS has three of the top 25 most viewed videos this month (Nov.1-17), including clips from CBS's Tuesday night hit drama 'NCIS,' 'Late Show with David Letterman,' 'The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson' and 'The Early Show.' The CBS Brand Channel is also one of the most subscribed channels of all time with more than 20,000 users subscribing to CBS programming on YouTube since the channel launch last month."
One is the fact that kids were recording what was going on privately, i.e. these two teachers fighting. Sure one can argue it was done in public, but still. This is a new world, where even the average joe can feel like a famous actor, where any little flub or stupid act they do can be recoreded by 500 people with camera phones, and uploaded to millions of viewers in a few minutes. It used to be you needed to be someone important to be embarassed by millions, now you just need to be in the unfortunate position of being around a cell phone.
As for CBS, good for them. I would rather have an entire episode of a show, with commercials on youtube in a good resolution then to have to watch it on TV, or be forced to record it via dvr, etc.
And how many times did you ever go home and tell a parent about how a teacher treated you, and get ignored or dismissed with "They wouldn't do that."
Personally? As much as I'm against the Big Brother society, I'm amused that someone is so scared of how he could be portrayed by an objective viewfinder. And he'll tell us all about how the context isn't there, but there's no good reason why a teacher should be yelling and carrying on to the point where it looks good on video. There's other more effective ways to reach people, and if you can't figure one of them out then there are other career paths.
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FTFA: the incident took place a month ago, when one student provoked the teacher into yelling at her while a classmate secretly taped the confrontation.
As Admiral Akbar once said: It's a trap. TFA also mentions that the exact same thing happened at another school in Canada.
We all know how easily video can be creatively edited & pictures can be photoshopped... so short of banning camera phones & (video) cameras, I don't really see how you resolve the issue.
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Finally! Hopefully, big media will realise that literally giving away content is good for them in the long run. If this catches on like we've been hoping for years now, the DMCA, copyright laws and its like won't need to be changed, they'll just become irrelevant withg the advent of the new paradigm. (sorry for the buzzwords, folks.)
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My suggestion: Install video cameras in all classrooms. The teachers can film everything, edit to their hearts content, and publish the best bits on YouTube. Must be great fun seeing thousands of creepy little morons being shown to be creepy little morons for everyone to see. Like the bloody idiot who wrote the headline for this submission and couldn't even get the spelling of "relevant" right.
'' Kids who deliberately provoke a teacher to film the results don't need to be yelled at so much as slapped around a little. And that's why I'd be a terrible teacher. ''
You would lose your job as a teacher rather quickly. Doesn't mean you would be a bad teacher.
It's ridiculously easy for teachers to abuse their authority. Many often display questionable behaviour in the classroom or elsewhere, the account of which might be met with skepticism when reported to a higher authority, or might simply be flat-out not reported owing to the submissive nature of most students or due to the awkwardness inherent in getting a teacher chastised for an isolated incident.
With the knowledge that lectures are being, or might possible be, recorded by the students themselves, teachers suddenly become accountable for all their actions--as it should be. Banning such videos from youtube, and electronic devices as whole from schools, is a broad handed tyrannical gesture and an affront to student rights and free speech.
I think the parent in the article said it best, "...teachers need to be accountable for their actions..."
It is the same with the police, No one would remember Rodney King if someone had not caught the police beating him on video, and ever since then the police have been trying to make it illegal to film/tape them (calling it obstructing justice, personally I call it ENFORCING justice).
Teachers (like the police) have a resposibility to the public, and if a fear of being caught on video doing something unethical, illegal, or stupid, keeps them in line then so be it.
"How about always behaving as if you are on public display?"
Not everyone agrees that this would be a good thing.
So, a teacher does something stupid and gets caught on tape... the response of the school district?
1. Leave (probably paid) for the teacher
2. disciplinary action for the kids doing the filming
3. ban of personal electronic devices in classrooms
Uuuuh, can I be the first to say: WTF!?!!
Could this situation be *any* more backwards than what it should be? How about an appropriate response like:
1. Fire / discipline teacher
2. Public praise for the kids involved
3. No ban of anything
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I think kids should be allowed to have electronic devices because the threat of being recorded will keep bad teachers in check.
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When a teacher loses control, there's no excuse.
Pranks like this get caught and lead to kids being punished, but whenever a teacher loses control, that damages their credibility and that of the school's. In this case, both the teacher and students need to be suspended; and they all need counseling. The kids need to be taught not to play pranks and the teacher needs to learn how to maintain control.
We need those student cameras in place in case teachers start shit with the students (i.e., beatings, molestation, etc).
Banning student cameras in this case is like banning cars because someone went on a rampage across a playground.
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why is this misuse?
A teacher yelling at a student should be put out to the world. Maybe the teacher should rethink his behaviour. Clearly he thinks his behaviour is wrong, or it wouldn't bother him.
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I don't know, there seems to be a moral difference between mocking children who have no choice but to be where they are, and mocking adults who chose the profession they are in. Teachers are held to a much higher standard of conduct than students, and for good reason.
There really are great kids who have been handed poorly-equipped parents by a crueler fate than your own.
Finding the heart to absorb some of their personal angst whilst moving the class forward in spite of the aggressively self-promotional behaviour is THE key challenge of teaching a PUBLIC school - the principle purpose of which is to address the vicious cycles in society by which the feeble beget the more feeble.
Its a lofty calling, and both difficult and under-appreciated (to say nothing of misunderstood).
Here's to those who succeed!
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Using Linux is your choice. YOURS. You have made the choice to use an OS that has roughly 3% market share. Not only that, but an OS where interoperability between distros is far from assured. Oddly enough, the fact that Adobe supports 95% of the market sounds like more than enough for me. The browser plug-in situation is great! Flash is compatible on more types of computers than 99% of the programs out there. Flash is more cross-browser and cross-platform compatible than many HTML/CSS websites. If you have chosen to use an OS that is not supported by a piece of software that has become a major part of the web, that is your choice. The rest of the world is under no obligation to support a platform just because you happen to use it.
I'd like to see evidence that "Very rarely is the teacher at fault, I can easily say based on reports I see via NEA and NJEA newsletters nearly half the time the teacher is punished despite 9/10 times the student provoking the teacher."
I'll agree that death threats and violence by students upon teachers are on the rise compared to 50 years ago. But that's a direct reverse from 50 years ago when violence by teachers AND parents upon students were the accepted norm. The only difference between yester year and modern times is the direction of the violence.
I'll also agree that we punish kids too lightly, and that counseling is not always the best solution. But we need to find a middle ground - we certainly cannot go back to the day when kids got the hell beat out of them (remember, folks, violence only begets violence), and we can't have the ultra permissive situation we have today. Kids need to be treated with respect and taught that it goes both ways.
That having been said, banning student cameras won't stop the abuse that they're sometimes used to record. There's no LEGITIMATE reason to deny students that freedom because of a few abusers... that is, unless you desire them not to be in competition with the Government, which is moving toward monitoring everyone 24/7 (currently even moreso in the UK than the US).
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I'm seeing a lot of posts saying "the teacher shouldn't yell" or some other why don't you just reason with them.
I do volunteer work with 13-15 yr olds in the Australian (Catholic) High school system. Kids talk, they're disruptive and don't like authority. From what I've experienced in the school system students are far more disrespectful. I was amazed when I heard students swear directly at teachers. How many of you have to put up with that in your working environment?
Children need to respect the authority of their teachers and be disciplined by them. Parents going on about "suing" are stupid and teaching their children poor skills to deal with life