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Future Ships Could Float On Bubbles

MattSparkes writes, "Creating a layer of bubbles underneath a ship's hull could improve fuel efficiency by 20%. When you consider that 90% of the world's goods are transported by sea, the importance of this discovery is obvious. 'Conjured up from thin air at the flick of a switch, this slippery blanket will help transport a fully laden tanker or container ship across the ocean at higher speed, and using far less fuel, than ever before... There is currently no other technique in naval architecture that can promise such savings.'" The article looks in some detail at the engineering problems that will need to be overcome before this technique is practical.

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  1. Re:Have they factored in.... by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have they factored in the amount of energy required to create the layer of bubbles? Seems like creating a layer of bubbles around the hull of a giant ship would take quite a bit of energy.They are moderately intellegent people. They do think of these obvious things...

    (For reference: It is a major problem for one of the approaches being researched, but only one. Another approach already has a 40% reduction in friction by diverting 3% of the ship's power. Well worth the expendeture.)

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  2. Bzzzt by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you consider that 90% of the world's goods are transported by sea

    Bzzzt. The submitter misstated the article, so this statement is flat out wrong.

    From the article (emphasis mine):
    in 2003 more than 90 per cent of all goods that were sent around the globe went by ship

    So in the context of global shipping, 90% of goods are transported by sea. Obviously far, far less than 90% of the world's goods are transported globally in the first place.

    Dan East

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  3. Re:Don't some military ships use this? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Russians already use it, but mostly for speed. It isn't all that usefull for stealth. (As already mentioned.)

    So it's not useful for submarines, but for many surface ships it is very useful. And for torpedos it is killer. IIRC, they have a couple of rocket-powered supersonic torpedos that panicked the US Navy when first demonstrated...

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  4. Re:no other technique??? by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Informative

    They go great together. When you have the wind, you raise the sails and turn the engines down. When you don't have the wind, you take the sails down. You have the same speed either way and are never off schedule. The difference is that you get there using less fuel when you use the sails in addition to the engines.

  5. Re:Don't some military ships use this? by jfp51 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Believe you are taking about the Prairie-Masker system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie-Masker

  6. Re:In case anyone is interested by phayes · · Score: 4, Informative
    refers to: Shkval [fas.org]. Scared the bejesus out of the U.S. Navy


    Uh, no. To see underwater you use sonar, but the shkval's propulsion is so noisy that it is essentially blind once launched. It's major utility was as a nuclear tipped revenge weapon. Don't forget that when the shkval was being developped, russian subs were relatively deaf & noisy compared to the US & the UK. In that scenario, when a Russian sub discovered that it was being targeted by an unavoidable torpedo, launched from a sub they hadn't detected, they would launch a few shkvals back up the vector that the torp was detected on. Hopefully one of them would take out the opposing sub or at least cut the wires that are used to direct the torp from the sub. An autonomous torp is easier to shake than one that has a subs sonar directing it so cutting the wires gives the russian sub a better chance. Once Nato was aware of the shkval, attack doctrine was changed to include a quiet swim out & dogleg so that the shkval would be targeting the empty sea & not the Nato sub.

    Using a shkval also means nuclear first use, which both sides wanted to avoid.
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  7. Re:other options by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The difference is in the thickness of the air and the direction.

    Large Bubbles from the sea floor of a lighter-than-air variety=very bad.

    Small bubbles surrounding a torpedo= Good for the Russian Navy (look up supercaviated torpedos, which basically encase the torpedo in a bubble to speed it up).

    Microbubbles that allow some of the hull to stay in contact with the water=good for fuel usage.

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  8. Re:no other technique??? by Angostura · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wish I had mod points. Hmmm - haven't had any for months. But you are spot on. The trials with putting modern sale systems on large container ships look most promising.

    http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/mg18524881 .600.html

  9. Actually it floats HIGHER by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Informative

    What they are talking about here us just surrounding the hull with a thin layer of bubbles.....maybe the ship sits a couple inches (to pull a guess out of my rear) lower in the water....but there's not going to be any danger of sinking a ship...

    Actually it floats HIGHER - by about the thickness of the air film. (It would float higher by EXACTLY the thickness of the air film except that the film is compressed slightly by the higher water pressure at the bottom of the boat.)

    To understand it:
      - The film displaces water, just like the hull.
      - If the hull sinks marginally, the film stays about the same thickness and it's the water below that is displaced.
      - So the film of air acts like part of the hull.
      - The total amount of water displaced is the amount displaced by the hull PLUS the amount displaced by the air.
      - But the air under the boat is about the same density as the air above the boat. So only the craft's weight (plus any surplus weight of air from its compression by the higher pressure below the hull) is supported by the displaced water.
      - Thus, to displace its own weight the hull plus air system must have the hull higher than the hull-only system by about the thickness of the air barrier.

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  10. More similar than different by lindseyp · · Score: 3, Informative

    FTFA linked by grandparent:

    The solid-rocket propelled "torpedo" achieves high speeds by producing a high-pressure stream of bubbles from its nose and skin, which coats the torpedo in a thin layer of gas and forms a local "envelope" of supercavitating bubbles

    Gas. Not vacuum. The first thing I thought when I heard about the Shkval is "I wonder if the technology could be useful at ship-sized scales?", the first thing I thought when I saw the article here on slashdot was "Woo, supercavitating!"

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