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MS Anti-ODF Lobbyist Named As MA Tech Advisor

Andy Updegrove writes "For the last year and a half, Massachusetts has been a battleground between Microsoft, on the one hand, and IBM, Sun and open standards advocates on the other over the state's plans to implement ODF. That effort has sparked similar initiatives around the world that threaten to erode Microsoft's multi-billion dollar profits on Office software. Now, we have a new governor set to take office, and observers are waiting to see if he will continue to support ODF like his predecessor, or back off in favor of Microsoft Office. Last week, Governor-Elect Deval Patrick named a new transition advisory group to make recommendations on the state's IT structure, and one of the eight members he appointed was none other than the Microsoft lobbyist that has been leading the charge to not only defeat ODF in the Bay State, but to gut the power of the State's CIO and Information Technology Division as well. Not a good sign of independence from special interests for an administration that has yet to even take office."

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  1. Both Sides are Special Interests by ThinkFr33ly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both sides of the Microsoft vs ODF battle are special interests.

    Just because you agree with one side more than the other doesn't make it any less "special".

    1. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. One side is a special interest and the other side is in everyones interest. That's why MA are standardising on ODF to begin with.

    2. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The difference is that if the special interests backing ODF win, then there is a benefit to the citizens of Massachusetts. If Microsoft wins, the state is sponsoring a monopoly.

    3. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by onecheapgeek · · Score: 1, Insightful


      American Heritage Dictionary
      special interest
      n.
              A person, group, or organization attempting to influence legislators in favor of one particular interest or issue.

      Looks like pro-ODF members would also be special interests. Nowhere does the dictionary say there must be personal gain.

    4. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Both sides of the Microsoft vs ODF battle are special interests.

      No. One side is a vendor neutral policy created by the state and aimed at improving the technology used by the state. The other is one company lobbying the government to get rid of the vendor neutral policy and standardize only their company as a supplier. Appointing an employee of one of the companies bidding as your tech advisor is not exactly indicative of impartial decision making.

    5. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your argument is somewhat spurious and misses the point that the interest on the other side from Microsoft is not the other companies, but the general public.

      Keeping a proprietary Microsoft format means at a minimum, requiring a Microsoft operating system to view the files. This assumes the O/S comes with a free (otherwise cha-ching, more money) 'doc' viewer and does not also require the person to have to pay for an internet connection to download the viewer. And unless their viewer is NOT like most, if not all of Microsoft's software, it won't run on say Apple, or Linux, or #insert your non-MS O/S here#, etc. Ergo you are locked into to purchasing from MS.

      An open format allows implementation by anyone who makes a document viewer/editor, reducing or eliminating the cost to the general public due to market forces. You are not locked into MS and people have the option of using cheaper or free software (as in beer) to view public documents that should be free to view by the public.

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    6. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by rthille · · Score: 2, Insightful

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    7. Re:Both Sides are Special Interests by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The person who started this was the CIO for the state of MASS not open office. It wasn't the MS competitors fighting. In fact I haven't really seen any fighting (except for MS trying to keep their market dominance). The state of MASS have made it a business requirement to use ODF to avoid 'lock in'. Any vendor can choose to meet the requirement or not. You really are starting to sound like a shill for MS. Do you complain so much when you hear about software projects abstracting their data persistence layers to avoid locking their applications to one RDBMS forever (note that I think most of the time this is usually a pointless exercise as most places don't change RDBMSs once installed, but I understand why they do it and it is up to them)? Why do you complain when someone wants something similar for their business applications? And you can argue till you're blue in the face (and I suspect you will) that open XML is better than ODF... but the point is moot. MASS asked for ODF. They are the customer.

      Which gets back to the original point of the article, it is highly suspicious when a paid MS employee is appointed to a board that is supposed to work in the best interests of the people of a state... since he is being paid to look out for the interests of a private company. It doesn't matter which company (even though this time it is MS... it could be Corel next time), he works for... there is a conflict of interest and he shouldn't be there. In this case he is trying to keep the state locked in to a proprietary product which others have previously said they do not want. Granted that elections can change the way a government manages the state, I tend to agree that paid lobbyists should not sit on government panels.

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  2. Hold Your Enemies Closer... by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Given the rest of the board is reasonable, it's a little early to be shouting "The Sky is Falling".

    A reasonable strategy would be to throw the two sides into a kettle and see who wins out. This may be an attempt to shorten the communication lines and ultimately be a good thing.

    Knee-jerk, get thee behind me!

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  3. From my perspective... by zappepcs · · Score: 1, Insightful

    its hard to imagine what those people were thinking when they said (in various ways) that the MS - Novell arrangement is a good thing, or will be good for Linux. Obviously, the political machinations of MS are still working overtime to defeat anything, group, or person that will stand in the way of MS domination of computing.

    Can anyone explain how this makes MS look good?

  4. If this had been a republican elect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Then it would have been posted all over the body of the slashdot post.

  5. Pessimism by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems kinda like (warning: analogy) a filmmaker in the 90s wanting to get distribution and saying "I have to adhere to Blockbuster's way of doing things..." It's true for a time, but because that way of doing things is inefficient, it will get competed out of existence by a model that works better.

    I think e.g. when China and/or India standardize on a Redmond-free set of office applications, they're going to be feeding amazing innovations into the FOSS pool.

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  6. That's not the point by l2718 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Both sides of the Microsoft vs ODF battle are special interests.

    Indeed, but you have to understand the difference between a lobbyist advocating a solution (he was paid to do so regardless of the merits) and a civil servant advocating a solution (he was paid to dispassionately figure out what the best solution is). Appointing a lobbyist for a policy-making committee is silly not because we may disagree with his former employer, but because lobbying and making policy decisions require completely orthogonal skills. For example, I would expect a former lobbyist called upon to make decisions to give undue credence to other lobbists, and to care about political agenda more than technical issues.

    1. Re:That's not the point by Tran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I was simply saying that the people arguing for ODF to win were not some kind of benevolent entity with only the interests of the people in mind." Hmm do you have some kind of proof of that? Who and what organization would stand to gain from ODF? The only organization I see that would gain would be "We, the people".

  7. By a Democrat, no less! by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's interesting that this appointment was made by a Democrat. After 6 years of the Bush/Republicans catastrophe, it's tempting to thing that the Democrats are going to side with the little guy, unlike the business-whoring Republicans. This appointment should remind us that BOTH parties are, effectively, pro-(insert rich lobbyist name here).

  8. Independent opinion vs. paid shill by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you're confused: biased doesn't mean "I like [foo] technology better;" biased means "[foo]corp paid me to like [foo] technology better." There's a key difference there. Can you spot it?

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  9. There is a lesson here for those who can see it by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Government is not a well-oiled machine. It's a vast expanse of bureaucracy, backroom deals, corruption, coercion and many other things. So stop treating it like one and doing that feel good song and dance about "we the people are the government" as an excuse for letting it dictate standards, regulate all over the place, etc. This is the way that government works in practice. The more you invite it into your life, the more of this sort of villainy you will invite in general.

  10. An even more reasonable strategy by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Get impartial engineers and technicians to analyze -- *scientifically (gasp!) -- the pros and cons of the various formats.

    Oh wait ... that's pretty much what was done, and nearly everyone who didn't have a buck to make off of MS Office supported open standards.

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  11. Public service by remmelt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want opinions and or marketing speak, you don't have to appoint a known partisan member to your committee. All the members are supposed to be independent, right? There aren't any abiword, openoffice, wordperfect, notepad, vi or emacs shilling members on that board now are there? What is that guy doing there?

  12. Do something about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Posting on Slashdot will NOT make an iota of a difference. That much is just about guranteed.

    Contacting Mr. Patrick (no email address available; but you can fax his campaign at (617) 628-3519 ) WILL make a difference.

    Speak up. Now! Or STFU and take it daily from Microsoft.

  13. Re:It's even worse by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This practice should be illegal. Only in particular circumstances are officials require to recuse themselves in situations where conflicts of interest are present. The most commonly observed instance would be in the case of a judge trying a case involving a party where he has an interest or a prejudicial opinion and might otherwise be prevented from rendering an unbiased ruling.

    This practice needs to be performed at all levels of government except where it's not practical. We shouldn't have the dairy association making USRDA recommendations to the FDA when it comes to milk consumption. We shouldn't have a Microsoft employee (and likely stock holder) in a position to make recommendations or otherwise influence decision making about whether or not to make ANY decisions where a choice to include or exclude Microsoft products or services for the public is concerned. It's simply inappropriate.

    If anyone here is living in that state, I recommend pushing for a recusal policy where such a person would be required to recuse himself from any policy making decisions where his employer's interests are involved.

  14. Re:It's even worse by dzelenka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think you exactly 180 degrees wrong. If the State is to make an informed decision then it needs to hear the Microsoft argument for sticking with the Office formats. Call him the Devil's Advocate if you wish, but hearing both sides is necessary to reach an informed decision.

    If the State decides to stick with ODF and the committee has no Microsoft representation then Microsoft could claim that both sides were not heard. With this MS employee on the committee they can never say that their side of the story was not heard.

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  15. Re:Misleading Headline by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He doesn't belong on the board. Not only is he an MS lobbyist he is also an MS employee. He is unable to make any rational choices or decisions and will automatically vote for anything MS and anything anti-oss. Why even bother putting somebody on the board when you already know how they are going to vote on every issue.

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  16. MS Office Support on ODF by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just out of interest, in the last month or two Microsoft has actually put a note about OpenDocument support into their Office support pages. Notice how they insist on identifying it solely with a specific product (OpenOffice.org, whose name they get wrong). Their comments about why ODF is crap and MSXML is sweetness and light are also pretty ... partial, which isn't really surprising I suppose. More intriguing to me is how they basically say the whole debate is grandstanding by Sun (and not, say, something to do with public interest).

    Why is Microsoft offering a new standard, rather than simply supporting the file format for the Open Office product (sometimes called ODF)?

    The OpenDocument format would not meet requirements for backward compatibility, for forward compatibility, or for performance, that millions of Microsoft customers tell us that they require.

    Sun submitted the OpenOffice formats to a small committee in the OASIS organization. The record shows that there were almost no material changes to the OpenOffice specification from the time it was submitted to the time it was approved by the working group at OASIS. Sun timed the release of the OpenDocument standard in conjunction with the OpenOffice 2.0 release. The OASIS committee did not focus on the requirements, constraints, and experiences of Microsoft customers.

    The Microsoft OpenXML formats have had a number of unique design requirements, including the following:

    • Backward compatibility with billions of documents produced over decades.
    • Intrinsic support for integrating customer-defined XML data. This enables new levels of innovation as documents generate and transport information in unique XML styles not defined by Microsoft or the document standard, but defined by the business processes of an organization.
    • High performance. The Microsoft OpenXML formats put a high priority on the speed of opening, closing, and working with documents, to roughly reflect or improve upon the performance of the past binary formats, rather than degrade the performance due to parsing XML.
    • Robust Testing. The OpenXML formats for Microsoft Word and Excel have been part of Office 2003 and have undergone extensive real-world testing and usage, by customers and developers.

    In conclusion, the formats are significantly different, with different design points and strengths.