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NIST Condemns Paperless Electronic Voting

quizzicus writes "Paperless electronic voting machines 'cannot be made secure' [pdf] according to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). In the most sweeping condemnation of voting machines issued by any federal agency, NIST echoes what critics have been saying all along, that due to the lack of verifiability, 'a single programmer could rig a major election.' Rather than adding printers, though, NIST endorses the hand-marked optical-scan system as the most reliable."

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  1. Punchscan.org by themaddone · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now might be a good time to point people in the direction of Punchscan.org, previously chronicled on Slashdot here

  2. Re:And no ID verification to boot (at least in MD) by Bobo_The_Boinger · · Score: 2, Informative

    I worked as an election judge in MD, and in the district I worked in someone who came in complained to me that the roll-call judges were just asking for name, then telling the voter their address and just asking "is that correct?". This voter said that she had been trained as a challenger and that was one of the first things they were told to verify. So I brought it up with the roll-call judges (I was working as a unit judge) and they said they hadn't received any real directions that they were supposed to be asking for BOTH items (name and address), so they just asked one and then verified the other. The two chief judges didn't seem to worry about it much, but I think they did change to asking voters for both items for the rest of the day. I never heard any real clarification on what the real rules are though.

    Note that MD does require you to present ID the first time you vote in the state from the rules I read. Note sure how the roll-call judges know that or not though when looking at the voter registration machine.

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  3. Re:Hand-marked is the way to go by vandon · · Score: 5, Informative
    That, coupled with a mandated recount in a random sampling of districts in each county after the election.
    If you ever get a chance to watch HBOs "Hacking Democracy", you should watch it. It's mainly about electronic voting, but not just about electronic voting. It's about the non-transparency of present day voting.
    One of the things they cover is about the manditory 3% or 4% recount to make sure they don't need a full recount. The problem lies in the fact that the ballots selected are not random. The law specifies that the 3% is "randomly self-selected" by the district/state elections clerk. This means that out of 10,000 ballots, they pick and choose 300-400 ballots to have public volunteers recount.
    The public volunteers suspected that the ballots were picked specifically to match the final percentages so there would be no recount. Most of the ballots were grouped together by party lines as if they picked out a certain number of (R) ballots, a certain number of (D) ballots, and a certain number of (I) ballots but forgot to shuffle them together.
  4. NIST also condemned current paper trails! by VidEdit · · Score: 3, Informative

    The headline of the post makes it seem like the NIST thinks that paper trails are the answer. That is not their conclusion, in fact they say the current paper-trail systems don't work.

    "The NIST is also going to recommend changes to the design of machines equipped with paper rolls that provide audit trails.
    Currently, the paper rolls produce records that are illegible or otherwise unusable, and NIST is recommending that "paper rolls should not be used in new voting systems."

    via http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3860#more-3860

    We really should just use optical scan ballots. That is a paper trail voters have to verify, and the ballots can be meaningfully recounted. Then Diebold and the other vendors should be sued for knowingly selling defective products--possibly fraudulently.

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    1. Re:NIST also condemned current paper trails! by spisska · · Score: 3, Informative

      I posted this elsewhere in this thread but I'll repeat it. NIST is onto something that no one else has seemed to pick up on yet. Federal law requires that states keep election materials, including paper trails from DREs, for 22 months. But most DRE paper trails are recorded on thermal paper, which degrades after a few months.

      If found quickly enough, a faded thermal paper can still be read accurately with specialized equipment, but it is not a simple matter and is completely ineffective after an extended period.

      I know this because of a horse race -- I left the track before a race, had a winning ticket (printed on thermal paper), and had it fade on me either because it sat in direct sunlight or because it was in my pocket, either of which exposed it to enough heat to render it unreadable to a person. I wasn't too hopeful about redeeming it, but I explained the situation the next time I was at the track, two weeks later. They managed to read the ticket (and pay me my $8 on a $2 bet) but needed a special reader to do so. They also explained that given another month or two they wouldn't be able to read it.

      The point is that any given election official who next summer checks the DRE paper trails from the November election may just find a cabinet full of blank rolls. Unreadable in less that half the time that Federal law requires the records be kept. This is a big problem.

  5. Re:Old paper ballots were fine. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only one thing though: the 2000 election fiasco was caused by punched card ballots, not mark-sense paper ballots. That's why most voting jurisdictions are using mark-sense ballots nowadays, if only because they can be both hand-read and machine-read.

  6. Re:Electronic Voting by cluckshot · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a job reviewing the software that runs the elections. As a result I have several of the packages in question on my machine. The auditing I do has nothing to do with the election security. It is technical. None the less; I have looked at the security issue. I agree with the critics entirely. Electronic Voting without a proper paper trail is a sucking security hole. The Diebold software has several leaks in it including USB drive access. I have reviewed on package I would trust and it does use a paper trail. In general the critics of this methodology of voting without paper trails are more than correct.

    Any election even with a paper trail, should have several other controls built in. The development of regionally accessible voting is a good step. This is where you can vote anywhere the election is being held. It makes stuffing boxes kind of hard. Another method needs to be 3 way tally. The voting totals need to be local, reported to a regional and to a central authority and the results compared. The paper ballots should automatically be recounted by machine and a certain number of them sampled for hand recount. The custody of the paper ballots should be under ARMED WITNESSED GUARD at a central location such as the State Agency. It should not be under the control of local officials. In general the election oversight agency of a State should be most carefully constructed with agents who are not subject to political whim for employment.

    I have worked as an election official in the past. The number one concern of any citizen in an election should be that the election tally's and results are properly handled. A Former County Commissioner from my district was wrongly not certified for election because of probate Judge who was dishonest and it took a federal suit to over turn his ruling. He was placed in office about 13 months late after the hack the judge certified wrongly had pretty well looted the office. Election stealing is a very real issue and one of the highest concern for people with an elected government. In the election in question, the Probate Judge certified a box as valid when it had 1100 more votes (all cast were for one candidate) cast than the box had voters.

    I cannot emphasize enough that any machine voting system that does not track with a proper receipt system and with other major controls is simply a machine to steal elections more efficiently. Such a system makes stealing easy and removes all evidence that it was stolen.

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  7. Re:Old paper ballots were fine. by Let's+Kiosk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several voters who lacked the most basic intelligence in comprehending the shockingly simple instructions on a paper ballot voted in Florida. These voters submitted flawed ballots that, for example, had hanging chads which should have been removed to clearly indicate which candidate should receive the vote. Speaking as someone who actually voted in Palm Beach County in the 2000 election, as opposed to hearing about it on Fox News, that butterfly ballot was more than a little counterintuitive. The county had never used that design before, with the arrows pointing toward the center holes from both directions and the minor-party candidates' holes interspersed between the Democratic and GOP candidates.

    Also, the way the punchcard and ballot booklet were loaded into the machine, the holes and the arrows didn't exactly line up. You had to guess which arrow was closest to the hole you wanted to punch. I remember thinking at the time how easy it would be to vote for Buchanan instead of Gore, although I had no idea how many people would fall for that.

    I know I voted the way I intended because I held my punchcard up to the light afterward to make sure I'd hit the correct hole. But the elections office had never advised anyone to do that, and it wasn't part of the standard voting instructions. (Polling places also had prominent signs that said "No talking," which caused some voters to believe they couldn't ask questions.) Nobody had ever heard of the word "chad." I doublechecked the ballot only because it was so confusing.

    If a person is so stupid that he cannot understand simple instructions, then his vote would likely not have been an informed vote: no vote is certainly better than an idiotic vote.

    Hey, it's Florida. We have a lot of older people with bad eyesight and impaired mobility, plus people whose first language isn't English. None of this is synonymous with "idiotic" or "unsure of which candidate they want in the White House." Voting isn't meant to be a dexterity/logic puzzle; in fact, U.S. law specifically forbids literacy tests as a prerequisite for voting. All an election is supposed to do is to record the intent of the voter, preferably as seamlessly as possible.

  8. Re:Electronic Voting by spisska · · Score: 2, Informative

    I cannot emphasize enough that any machine voting system that does not track with a proper receipt system and with other major controls is simply a machine to steal elections more efficiently.

    Actually, there's another problem with paper trails that nobody seems to have yet picked up on. Federal law requires voting records, including paper trails, be kept for 22 months. But most of the ballot printers on the DRE machines use thermal paper rolls for the paper trail. The printing will degrade on these after a few months, or if the paper is exposed to heat they will become entirely illegible.

    Either way, this could turn out to be a major problem if next summer some election official goes to check the paper trails from this past eletion and finds a cabinet full of blank rolls.