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A Spaceport In Ohio?

UglyTool writes to alert us to an initiative by the state of Ohio and the city of Columbus to lure Canadian rocketeers PlanetSpace to launch from an area airport (the former Lockbourne Air Force Base, now called Rickenbacker International Airport). A decision on the incentives could be made by January. From the article: "Such a package could include tax credits, financing programs and training grants amounting to millions of dollars... PlanetSpace's chairman, Indian-American entrepreneur Chirinjeev Kathuria, told MSNBC.com he expected the incentives to amount to 'somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 million.'" Five other states have spaceports approved or planned.

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  1. Saddle Up! by El+Torico · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I always like reading about efforts to get humanity off this ball of rock and water. One thing about the location though, I thought that the closer to the equator, the better. How does that compare against tax breaks?

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    1. Re:Saddle Up! by wasted · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I thought that the closer to the equator, the better. How does that compare against tax breaks?

      The ship out of Ohio will be sub-orbital, so the extra velocity gained by being near the equator isn't useful. The tax-breaks will be useful, though.
    2. Re:Saddle Up! by antispam_ben · · Score: 5, Informative

      As the other poster said, it doesn't matter for a sub-orbital flight. But even for orbital flights, taxes are a lot larger percentage of a commercial entities expenses than the equator's speed is a percentage of orbital velocity.

      But it also depends on what orbit you want. For a polar orbit it doesn't matter where you launch from, as an east-west speed differential won't help you go north-south. The big problem with a polar launch for an equatorial orbit surely isn't the lack of equator velocity boost, but rather the fuel used to go from the pole to the equator and then making that 90-degree turn at the equator.

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  2. Never happen - you'll fly E over Washington, DC by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Spaceships launch east, preferably from the equator. This will mean basically that a private company can launch ballistic payloads up into the air over DC. Nobody there will let this happen.

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    1. Re:Never happen - you'll fly E over Washington, DC by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Spaceships launch east, preferably from the equator

      But north of the equator they launch south east. Would that be safer? would it go south of Washington.

    2. Re:Never happen - you'll fly E over Washington, DC by balsy2001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Back in 1999 I had an internship at a "spaceport" in idaho competing to be the home of Lockheed's failed Venture Star (X-33). The advantages in Idaho are you start at about 5000 feet elevation and if you want a polar orbit the farther north the better. Since the plan was to pick 2 sites idaho (like about 30 other sates) thought they could have a compelling reason to be the second, every one assumed florida would be one. Based on my experience there and the problems we were facing because we would have to fly close to calgary and edmonton I have to say flying over DC is definately a very long shot. The population density of the east coast will be very problematic for anyone trying to launch east that is not on the coast. If you launch from the mid west by the time you get to the coast your rocket will have enough velocity to bring many more cities into play during an error/failure than those you fly directly over (Boston, NYC, Phili, Baltimore, DC). I am not saying it is impossible but you will have a very hard time proving to the FAA and the public that there is a 10E-9 or even 10E-6 chance of killing someone during an error (these were the kinds of numbers we were trying to show for launching north from idaho). For reference population densities of canada can be seen at http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/peoplea ndsociety/population/population2001/density2001 and population densities of america can be seen at http://atlas.nrcan.gc.ca/site/english/maps/peoplea ndsociety/population/population2001/density2001.

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  3. Strange ship, and why in Ohio? by Salvance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd be more than happy to ride on Burt Rattan's SpaceShipOne, but PlanetSpace's rocket looks more like an ICBM with a stealth fighter attached than something destined for sightseeing. I'm sure it's fine, but it doesn't have that "Cool" factor for me.

    I wonder why a Canadian team is paying that much money to fly from Ohio ... it seems like the vast Canadian tundra would be a far cheaper alternative, and the Canadian government would probably even lend some of their military airports to support Canada's image worldwide (not that it really needs much support).

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    1. Re:Strange ship, and why in Ohio? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny
      doesn't have that "Cool" factor for me.

      an ICBM with a stealth fighter attached isn't cool?

    2. Re:Strange ship, and why in Ohio? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Vandenberg is a great place for polar launches. You launch south, and you're over ocean. None of those nasty populated landmasses to worry about dropping stuff on.

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  4. Obligatory "The Simpsons" Reference by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MONORAIL!

    Um, this is a dumb idea

    As others have already noted, Ohio has two strokes against it:

    It is substantially farther from the equator than Florida (and other proposed SW "spaceports").

    There are heavily populated areas around and to the east of it it. Falling lower stages and strap-on boosters could end up mashing a house or highway or city block.

    I wonder if there's a bandwagon effect in action. Cities in the SW are starting to get publicity for hosting space ports, so why not Ohio?

    I can picture charming hucksters selling cities on space ports the way that con artist sold Springfield on thier monorail.

  5. Ohio story by lawpoop · · Score: 4, Funny
    As an Ohioan, let me relay this narrative to you:
    • The Wright brothers, who developed and flew the first airplane, were from Ohio.
    • John Glenn, the first man in orbit, is an Ohioan.
    • Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon, is an Ohioan.
    • Now, they are talking about building a spaceport in Ohio.
    It just shows what length men will go to to get the hell out of Ohio!
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    1. Re:Ohio story by lawpoop · · Score: 2

      Nice!!1!!

      Go Bucks!!!

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    2. Re:Ohio story by Robot+Randy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, the first man to orbit the Earth was the Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin, who orbited on April 12, 1961.

      John Glenn was the first AMERICAN to orbit the Earth, which he did on February 20, 1962.

      Alan Shepard was the first American into space. He was aboard Freedom 7 on a suborbital flight on May 5, 1961.

    3. Re:Ohio story by bmgoau · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your facts are inherintly flawed for one very basic reason. See Yuri Gagarin couldn't have orbited the earth because...

      In Soviet Russia Earth orbits you!

  6. Landing in Ohio, launching from unknown location by Andrew+Penry · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article mentions that the site for launching and landing could be different. Ohio seems to be bidding for a landing and manufacturing site, with launching as a possiblity only if it's approved by the FAA. The article even mentions the idea of launching off of a barge and landing in Ohio.

  7. You forgot by plopez · · Score: 2, Informative

    Devo, the coolest nerds ever!

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  8. Rocket Science eludes Slashdot. by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why all the comments about being close to the equator? This is a SUBORBITAL craft. It goes up, and then comes down. It travels no more than 50 miles horizontally. It makes no difference whatsoever where on the planet the craft is launched from. There are many places in Canada from which they can launch. Ohio just wants to grab a slice of the pie. In fact, the suggested airbase is actually not viable, because the first stage (the red and white rocket shaped part) is designed to splash down. There is no major lake near Rickenbacker.

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  9. This is not for launching. by damiangerous · · Score: 4, Informative
    This proposal isn't for launching. It's for support facilities and landing.

    State and local officials in Ohio are considering an incentive package that would lead the Canadian-American rocket venture PlanetSpace to put the manufacturing and landing facilities for its suborbital spacecraft at a former military air base near Columbus
    The article does discuss that it's conceivable that at some point in the future this site could be used for suborbital launches, but that's even further off than this "very preliminary" plan.
  10. Spelling Error by wasted · · Score: 4, Informative
    Captain Kirk was born in Ohio. Go figure.


    I think it is spelled I O W A.
  11. Russians by Quadraginta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Russians launch over land all the time. But it's been said that there have been occasional problems with this.

  12. Don't forget Alaska by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought that Alaska was the only non-federally owned launch site in the US. It is the only location not in Florida that can lauch east and still be over water. It's the farthest north of any sites ever proposed (good for polar launches). It is good for launching test rockets for the missile defense (the other site approximates what would happen if New Zealand would attack the US, Alaska approximates a Russian, Chinese, or North Korean launch). And, it's a great place to hunt bears or fish if weather delays your launch. Not to mention it is cheaper than any other launch site for launch fees, thought getting the rocket there (and fuel for non-polar launches) might be more. Oh, and unlike other proposed non-federal sites, it's been operating for years.

    Go Alaska!