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Google De-indexes Talk.Origins, Won't Say Why UPDATED
J. J. Ramsey writes "Talk.Origins is an archive with thousands of pages exposing creationist pseudoscience. Rather mysteriously, Google pulled the plug on its search engine, giving only the vague reason: 'No pages from your site are currently included in Google's index due to violations of the webmaster guidelines.' This was apparently triggered by a recent cracking of the site that added 'hidden links to non-topical sites,' but Google won't say just what the violations were. Talk.Origins webmaster Wesley R. Elsberry believes that this Google policy harms honest webmasters." From the article: "My mission, whether I liked it or not, was to find and fix whatever problem the [Talk.Origins Archive] might have, with no guidance as to what the problem was and nothing at all about where to start looking... I was extremely lucky. The damage to my site was limited and in the first place that I happened to look. Other honest webmasters might not be so lucky. They may have to undertake an arduous process of vetting pages, essentially having to second-guess the mind of the cracker in trying to locate a problem that Google knows the exact location of." Thanks to an alert reader who sent in Matt's blog posting about how Google handles hacked sites.
which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Psuedo-science isn't objective. Unless, of course, you believe that science is whatever the majority says. In which case, it's objective. Anyway, it strikes me as flame-bait. That's all.
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Why do you equate creationism with Chritianity; Christianity is all about Jesus; there's no "gospel" of Adam and Eve.
No data, no cry
I'm not sure why this general personal vendetta exists in the online community, but the best explanation I've come up yet is that most refer back to a list of bad things [Christian] people have done, and associate the Christian name with the bad people that did those things (crusades, for example). But, as usual, guilt by association is illogical. Nothing in the bible condones the crusades, nor any other of the violations against the Laws of Humanity/Nature(tm) that are on these lists. Given the techincally-minded slant of the
So the GP is right in claiming to be victimized.
De-indexes? That word "de-indexes" does not exist! Not from any English dictionary! The word that captures the meaning of the heading should be "deindexes" that comes from the word "deindex" as defined over here: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=deind ex. Note the absence of that little dash.
Dude. You're never gonna get modded +1 anything with talk like that around here. Just get in line and join in with the majority controlled jeering. You'll do far better.
Note to mods: I'm thinking Offtopic would be your best bet in silencing me, but Flamebait might work equally as well [just trying to make your jobs easiers].
Trust me. This is an inactive account. Regardless of what the
The difficulty I see is that things that you are attempting to distance yourself from, such as the crusades (and there are many more examples), were once accepted by the vast majority of Christians as being in accordance with, or even required by, the biblical scholarship of the time.
If you can say "oh, those Christians in ages past were all just misguided, we've got the right idea now", how can you be sure the same won't be said of modern Christians' viewpoints in another few centuries?
There are a lot of hypocrites on that site. They claim that religious people are closed minded while completely ignoring anything the other side presents out of hand. Science is supposed to be about trying to discover how things work, not about following some new dogma.
Right now, any honest scientist would tell us that they really do not know know the universe began. For a while, the scientific community bought into the Big Bang theory but at some point they observed that their models did not work in the real universe. The invention of dark matter and later on, dark energy were attempt to reconcile what they believed they were seeing with their old models. String theory is an attempt to unify various theories under one umbrella but it unfortunately is not testable and hinges of the existence of dark matter and dark energy. I cannot fathom why scientific community did not go back to the drawing board to create a model that fit the known universe rather than inventing fanciful things such as dark matter and dark energy. They might as well have called it invisible pink unicorns and leprechauns. I cannot help at laugh at the irony of people believing in such things without a shred of evidence while ridiculing religious people for believing what they terms as an invisible man in the sky.
This blind faith in popular theories is not just restricted to theoretical physics but also appears in the biological sciences as well. Science is supposed to be a tool for discovery. It is not supposed to supply the meaning of life or delve into things which are best left to philosophers and theologians given our current state of technology.
Too much of the so-called "science" we see today is nothing more than new age philosophy combined with pseudo-science. I long for the days or practical and applicable science as that is science that could not possibly run in conflict with religion. I also long for the days when science did not depend heavily on suppositions and circular logic. Many of our past scientist were both scientists and theists because they understood that science was merely a study of how things work, not why we are here or whether there is a good.
Ignore me a troll if you wish but I am a theist who views the science of today with a sceptical eye and only trusts theories which have observable proofs that do no depend upon other assumptions. I see the practical sciences to be of a great benefit to society.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
No, that is simply Talk.Origins' description of what their site is. Not everyone knows who the site is, even though they are pretty much the default place to link when telling Intelligent Design proponents why it's pseudoscience.
Other than feeling personally insulted by being told that your religious beliefs are religious beliefs, and not science, what's your problem?
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
It isn't a bias to claim creationists use pseudo science because they do. All of the time.
It is "biased" only if you use the word in the Faux News sense, i.e. it makes a factual statement you take offence from. It's no wonder people's view of reality is getting muddier by the day, we can't even talk about facts without some newspeak PC crap. And no, I'm not going to define (or, alas, re-define) science here. All I have to say is that anything that somehow involves a supernatural creator is pseudoscience by definition. If you cannot accept that, it's exclusively your problem.
Not necessarily. The writer could well believe in creationism. Whether or not you are creationist, there is no doubt that there is much pseudoscience used to support the creationist view. The right-up doesn't state that all scientific evidence for creationism is pseudo science, neither does it state that creationism is dependent on pseudo science. It merely points out that talk.orgins does indeed expose the pseudo-science that is there.
The rest is your inference.