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Layoffs and CEO Resignation At OSDL

lisah writes "Big changes are afoot at Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) with today's surprise announcement of the departure of CEO Stuart Cohen and the layoff of nine other employees. Details are still emerging about what exactly this means for OSDL but according to a preliminary announcement, Cohen is 'leaving to pursue other open source opportunities' and OSDL is 'refocusing the scope of [their] work to better align resources with [their] revenues...'" The article also mentions the last year's layoff at OSDL.

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  1. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful
    How exactly is Apache leaching off developers other than being a central point where OSS developed code can be found by all?
    I think you missed my point: Apache isn't itself the leech. The multibillion dollar oil company that runs Apache all over the place and hasn't ever contributed a cent to the Apache project is.
  2. Non-profits need business models too... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The fact that they aren't making lots of money is therefore not a failure of a business model, but the fact that they are a non-profit, with perhaps a poorly defined mission, that as a result has difficulty attracting lots of sponsorship money...
    Non-profits need business models too, preferably built on the strength of a brand and/or the willingness of profitable businesses to build their own brands through them. For examples, see the United Way (tie-ins w/ the NFL, etc.), the Red Cross (sells blood with markup) and the Komen Foundation (tie-ins with every homemaker product ever invented).
  3. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by aevans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about the other multibillion dollar oil company that runs Apache and has contributed money and code to the Apache project, but hasn't contributed a cent to Linux kernel development (which the first multibillion dollar oil company happens to host a high bandwidth mirror of, and has contributed bug reports to?

  4. Non-profit still has to pay the bills by Mustang+Matt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They have to cover their costs, so if they can't make $500,000 to cover the CEO and employees salaries + benefits they have to cut back.

    I've never understood how this is non-profit. The company doesn't profit and doesn't have investors. I guess that's the difference.

    Just like Mastercard is non-profit.

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  5. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by warpSpeed · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...Apache isn't itself the leech. The multibillion dollar oil company that runs Apache all over the place and hasn't ever contributed a cent to the Apache project is.

    Where does this monitary obligation come from? The license under which Apache is distributed under spells out the responsibilities of the user who downloads the software. If the Apache creators and maintainers wanted money, the should have spelled it out in the license.

    The fact that the these oil companies that you speak of have "multibillion dollars" does not raise the licenes requirments, it is the same for everyone!

  6. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by dedazo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Relying on the inherent goodness of humans (or corporations) is naive at best. You can't come up with this super-wonderful new "business model" wherein you give everything away and then sit there and pout when people don't behave the way you idealistically expected them to.

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  7. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Look on the bright side. If the multibillion dollar oil company uses apache, it means its business partners don't *have* to use IE7 to talk to it, and *you* don't have to either, in order to talk to them. More people use free software, so that's a good thing overall.

  8. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by toadlife · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Relying on the inherent goodness of humans (or corporations) is naive at best."

    Yet, history has shown that if the project is good enough, the inherent goodness of humans is enough. Apache, XFree/Xorg and the BSDs may not be raking in mega-millions of dollars, but they keep on keeping on year after year.

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  9. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by Zapman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Leach?

    The promise of FOSS is that you get the source code to do what you want with it. No matter who you are. If you make changes, and distribute them (assuming the GPL), you have to distribute your code changes as well.

    They (your Oil Company) are taking the code, compiling it, and using it as it was intended. That's not leaching.

    The license cuts both ways. There's no requirement to pay for it. Whether your some kids in your garage, saturating your parents DSL line to upload data to youtube, or a multinational oil company saturating a bunch of OC-3 lines.

    Would it be 'nice' of them to contribute back? Sure. But we can't speak ill of them for not (Though I'd be willing to bet that there are a few code patches coming from said Multinational Oil).

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  10. Re:Silly business-speak. by istartedi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Some businessmen were born to "employ people", others to "utilize human resources". There are far too many of the latter; but we can't blame them totally. The other side of the equation is the worker who doesn't like the fact that he "works for them" and actually feels better being a "team member". Then there is the investor who probably doesn't buy companies that are "laying people off", but might be more interested in purchasing the stock of a company that is "engaging in refocusing the business and remaining agile". Everybody knows what they really mean. My favorite one is when a Washington, DC powerplayer who has fallen out of favor decides to "spend more time with the family". That one has become such a cliche that I think it's actually seems to have fallen out of favor in recent years. I don't know what is replacing it; but you can be certain something will. The need for sugar coating is probably as old as the human race.

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  11. I'd like to take this opportunity... by NineNine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd like to take this opportunity, after countless Slashdot posts about "Everybody should know how computers work", that perhaps what would be more useful if everybody instead learned a bit about how business works. I think that the OSS community has pooh-poohed the importance of basic business knowledge long enough, as is obvious from the overwhelming non-success of OSS companies.

    1. Re:I'd like to take this opportunity... by NineNine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      OSDL is shrinking (again) by 33%. VA Software (The owner of Slashdot) is still bleeding. Linspire has largely flopped. Novell is only making money because MS just gave them a big cash infusion. Red Hat is the only OSS company out there making any money, from what I can tell, and even Red Hat is in trouble from the big boys (lots of other people agree... lots of short selling of their stock.

      There simply are not many OSS companies out there that are really financially healthy.

    2. Re:I'd like to take this opportunity... by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'd like to take this opportunity, after countless Slashdot posts about "Everybody should know how computers work", that perhaps what would be more useful if everybody instead learned a bit about how business works. I think that the OSS community has pooh-poohed the importance of basic business knowledge long enough, as is obvious from the overwhelming non-success of OSS companies.

      The OSS community knows quite well how business works. Their failing is that they confuse a philosophy/belief system with business.
  12. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by NineNine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    True, but an open source project doesn't take much to run - just a server and some bandwidth, and the bandwidth needs can be minimized via judicious mirroring.

    Uuuh, ok. That's like saying that all you need to run a successful business is a cash register. If these projects are run like hobbies, and you don't expect any kind of widespread useage or support, then yeah, slap it up on a web server, and be done with it. If you want it to be successful, than it needs to be run the same as any other successful business.

  13. Re:Little revenue obtained making free software? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not saying it's good or bad.

    I would say using an open source product without contributing code or cash is still a subtle good. Wider use means:

    * Wider testing (If it doesn't work, even leeches will bitch)

    * Indirect advocacy via increased market share

    * Increased interoperability between entities using FOSS

  14. Re:At Least the CEO Also Leaves by Jesterboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Personally, I'm wondering if Cohen's departure has anything to do with his position on the Novell/Microsoft deal? (look at the section labeled "Good for the Open Source Community")

    While I enjoy imaginations of Linus giving Stuart Cohen the metaphorical/physical boot, I think the realistic interpretation of "leaving to pursue other open source opportunities" means "huge bed of cash to land on from Novell/Microsoft deal". After all, work with Novell is still considered "open source" in letter if not spirit. Perhaps he has a new job coinciding with Novell's plan to add support for Microsoft's OpenXML document type to Open Office?

    Something about it smells fishy to me...