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Best Buy Institutes Extreme Flex Time

s31523 writes "The company I work at has a flex time policy where basically, you can come in and leave within a window of time, as long as you are in the office during 'core' hours (10am-2pm). Best Buy has gone extreme, they have completely banished traditional views of office hours. Citing a preference for results over time invested, the company has completely done away with schedules. No mandatory meetings. No impression-management hustles." From the article: "Another thing about this experiment: It wasn't imposed from the top down. It began as a covert guerrilla action that spread virally and eventually became a revolution. So secret was the operation that Chief Executive Brad Anderson only learned the details two years after it began transforming his company. Such bottom-up, stealth innovation is exactly the kind of thing Anderson encourages. The Best Buy chief aims to keep innovating even when something is ostensibly working. '[The 'results-only work environment'] was an idea born and nurtured by a handful of passionate employees,' he says. 'It wasn't created as the result of some edict.'" Sheesh. I work from home and even I have a schedule. Here's hoping it catches on.

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  1. In the end the only thing that matters is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Best Buy still sucks.

  2. Depends on the people by Nos. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For some (hopefully most) people, this is ideal. They'll work when they find themselves to be most productive, which in turn, makes the company more productive. However, you'll always get a few individuals who take advantage of such a policy, and in some environments, they spoil it for the rest of us.

    1. Re:Depends on the people by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, it's fine so long as you never need to do any real-time collaboration. I don't do flex time, but my company does have a sizable office in India, and the people on my team there work during the Indian day (US night). It makes collaboration very difficult, since if you need some piece of information you either need to wake someone up in the middle of the night or send an email and wait until the next day for an answer.

      I suspect anyone that collaborates with anyone else is going to end up essentially working all the time, since even if they aren't in the office they'll be tethered to their cell phone as people who ARE in the office call up to ask questions.

    2. Re:Depends on the people by aeoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't matter if Best Buy pays for the results. Who cares if someone spends the hours or doesn't? You got results, you got paid. You, as Best Buy, are willing to pay for some amount of results. How these results get accomplished is not really your concern as long as the consumer experience is not hurt in the process. If consumers are happy and the results they want are accomplished, then it really doesn't matter who did what when, and in fact, it's one less thing you need to manage.

    3. Re:Depends on the people by notbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solution here is simple... fire the people in India and go back to being a real American company with American workers.

      They'll eventually fire more Americans the longer you help them support the bastards in India.

      Just say no to out sourcing.

    4. Re:Depends on the people by Simon80 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but what is the point of "reporting" hours if you work away from work? How is anyone going to know if you're working as many as you're reporting? Why waste the effort even trying to track how many hours someone is working? As is specified in the article, hours worked != productivity. Too many seem to confuse the two without even realizing it (I'm not saying that about you, just people in general)

    5. Re:Depends on the people by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Solution here is simple... fire the people in India and go back to being a real American company with American workers. They'll eventually fire more Americans the longer you help them support the bastards in India. Just say no to out sourcing."

      Damn...why is this marked flamebait? It is a valid opinion and plea IMHO.

      Moving jobs that the GP posted saying they were obviously made difficult due to collaboration being near impossible due to time differences. If they moved them back closer to home....that would be solved.

      This posters statement about Americans losing more jobs to outsourcing is true...

      Just because you don't agree, does not make it flamebait....

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    6. Re:Depends on the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Calling the Indian workers "bastards" is flamebait. It's not the Indian workers fault that outsourcing corporations are greedy.

  3. Ah, the bottom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the bottom up? So does this mean the clerks at best buy can come in whenever now? And have been for years? Somehow I think this definition of 'bottom' is ... innaccurate.

    Also, some info missing from the summary.. Zonk's schedule follows:

    8:00 am-4:00 pm - Bash Sony.

  4. More Hours? by cliffhanger407 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The weird thing to consider is how much people end up working. I've found what when I'm working hard on a project and I approach it without a schedule, I end up working for a few extra hours without even noticing. It means that people keep their morale up while still maybe being willing to work more hours. Basically, this is taking salaried work to a whole new level: they acknowledge that people have responsibilities to maintain and judge them based on whether or not the job is done, rather than whether or not they are in the office at a given time. I say bravo. What will be weird is seeing if they can implement this in retail stores like one of the later paragraphs suggests.

  5. We are doing something similar by Wiseleo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate rigid schedules. They create traffic jams.

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  6. A.K.A..... by no_pets · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ROWE, Results Only Work Environment. A.K.A. "Git-R-Dun". I'd be more efficient if I could leave sooner.

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    1. Re:A.K.A..... by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd be more efficient if I could leave sooner.

      I'm not sure that's the right angle to take. This implies that you have a fixed set of tasks, and that you would do those tasks faster if it meant you could leave work when they were finished, regardless of how long they took to complete. It also means that your boss has already examined the tasks, examined you, and decided that they would take you a full day to do. (If this wasn't true, they would have given you more tasks.)

      In contrast, I think most self-driven employees (i.e. the kind that would comprise an office where "flex-time" is allowed) make their own list of tasks to achieve higher-level company objectives. This may complement a list of fixed tasks from management, but generally freedom is given to budget time for both lists.

      In other words, if you finish your work on the task your boss gave you after six hours of work, you spend the next two hours voluntarily brainstorming new products or efficiencies for your company, or doing data mining on sales to better learn customer patterns, or checking up with key accounts to see if they need assistance, or doing web training on the latest version of an app you use, etc. Only when you are willing to take such initiative is flex time appropriate. Then, they may not mind if you arrive at work at 10:30 AM, finish your boss' task around 7:00 PM (taking into account a long lunch and a game of ping-pong in the afternoon), then work at home from 9:00-11:00 PM on your own initiative. Or, you get to work at 6:00 AM, work nonstop, and leave at 2:00 PM. Your choice.

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  7. 'Results only' is bull by boldtbanan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't count how many times I've heard lip-service paid to 'results-only' performance reviews. It's a bunch of crap. Managers will still reward people they like and punish people they don't, regardless of performance. Schedules and 'face-time' will always have a huge impact on performance reviews and rewards, simply because if you work 8pm - 4am and work miracles, nobody will know that you were the one doing everything. For all they know (regardless of any paperwork saying you were responsible), it was the office gnomes that with their magical faerie dust that did all of the work.

    Like a lot of things, 'results-only' is great in theory, but almost impossible to implement in practice due to human nature.

  8. Research by maverick_starstrider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I usually work in research and I find this paradigm to be extremely appealing. The 9-5 think in research is complete bull. You don't get more insightful or innovative while being force to sit at your desk staring at a screen

  9. Re:They have yet to address... by COMON$ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm if they had actual knowledge I highly doubt they would be working the floor at a best buy for minimum wage.

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  10. Re:Is it just me... by coldtone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Please let me rephrase

    Everyone at the C level has been on extreme flex time for year. It's hard to notice your staff isn't working 8 - 6 when you aren't.

  11. This can work great if done right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This seems ideal for programmers like myself. I've got regular hours now, but in the beginning we had no set hours. That didn't mean less hours--often it meant 12+ hour days, but there was no question about when the time at which the work was done, as long as it was done in a timely manner. I've never experienced extreme flex where hours were not insane for other reasons.

    Anyway, it seems like this would work well as long as there are still some deadlines--get that new module coded by the end of the month, and it shouldn't matter that you finished in 3 weeks and took the last week off. Management can consider that last week a reward for effective work. They might decide you can handle more work on the next cycle, which can create an incentive for you to "fill out the month". So, management has to understand that dynamic, and not punish people for efficiency.

    On the other side of the equation, workers have to not deploy "filling out" and other obvious means of abuse. It seems like this has a better chance to work well if the employees are incentivised with something other than salary; namely, stock options. Then they are only hurting themselves if they hurt the comnpany, in theory. Of course, we all know that a division of a large corporation can perform well while the company overall performs poorly. That dilutes the stock option incentive, so it seems like incentives for a whole department could help (complete that upgrade in a week, the whole division gets extra pay or options).

    In order for it to work well, you need mature, self-directing workers.

    You also need workers with output that can be measured. I suspect that there are an awful lot of workers with no real output in our economy, or output that can't be measured (I'm pointing the finger at you, mid-level PHBs). A system like this could weed those guys out! OTOH, you can't apply a system like this to jobs like call-center technicians, floor sales, or even sales managers. A big part of those jobs is simply "being available". The fact that a sales rep hasn't taken a call or helped a customer for a few hours doesn't mean he wasn't doing his job--there was just no input he could act on to creat output.

  12. Re:I don't want to rain on this parade, but ... by smallfries · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've worked in this kind of environment for about five years. It started during my PhD, and then continued when I decided that I would stay within academia. The most important thing is how you measure output; measuring time in the office is a shitty metric that doesn't gain you anything. The article sounds as if Best Buy have this angle nailed, so they can measure productivity even if their staff are flitting in and out. In academia it's easy - you keep an eye on how many papers someone delivers.

    Meetings can be tricky, but it comes down to people finding spots in their calendars that overlap. This is harder when person A tends to work 8-4 and person B tends to work 5-12 but people just make allowances and come in early / late. Community isn't such an issue. When people are going through a patch of working with each other their daily schedules tends to synchronise, and then destabilise again afterwards. There is plenty of email / IM for people to set things up, and the habit of expecting an instant response is easy to break. It does take more personal disciple and timekeeping to make it work - but the rewards are worth it.

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  13. Re:Worst. Idea. Ever. by dknj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    okay, first of all, i am all for telecommuting. if you need an office, fine go to the office, if you don't.. save the company a dollar or two and stay at home. second, meetings? they're mandatory. if you want everyone at a meeting at 8am, give 24 hours notice and specify if they have to be present or merely on the phone (exceptions expected, don't bitch if it happens.. you get to work from home, better than 90% of the world). third, make sure everyone is reachable between certain hours. you will have a happy workforce. you will also have an obedient taskforce, since a job where you can telecommute is rare and high in demand and i'm sure a telecommuter would not want to give up his/her job to return to a 8-5 cubicle hell position.

    one of my previous jobs were like this (fortune 100 company) and productivity was high. as my company grows larger i plan on implementing the same policy and save money in the process.

  14. A retail employee rant (Re:Geek squad is a fraud.) by Vardyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "One member of a geek squad was insulted when I said that the person who does a diagnostic should be qualified to do one -- not someone who just came in from the parking lot from collecting carriages."

    I work in the warehouse for an electronics retail store, and I'm the one who "collects carriages." I consider myself a geek and do quite well with repairing computers; I simply prefer not to deal with people who have no respect for other human beings. I'd rather push carts than walk in circles trying to convince a customer I know what I'm talking about. I've turned down numerous sales position offers for precisely this reason.

    Secondly, if you know so much about computers, why are you visiting the Geek Squad to begin with?

    Retail/sales positions are terrible. Not because of management or low pay, but because of rude, inconsiderate and impatient customers. Each day, countless customers approach me--a non-sales employee--asking questions about products in whichever department I happen to be working in at the time (or even walking through while carrying a large, heavy box of some sort.) Nine times out of ten they immediately become visibly irritated when I politely explain that I'm going to find a sales associate to assist them. Sometimes I help them, such as with headphones, CD-Rs, etc. but when someone says "I want to buy a computer" I find the appropriate employee to help them because I have other tasks at hand... and it's not my job to begin with.

    Sure, some (arguably many) sales associates are incompetent morons, but I still find it difficult to grasp that customers don't realize it's nearly impossible to know everything about every product in a large department store such as Best Buy. It's difficult enough knowing everything about a single department, much less the entire store. Go ahead and try learning everything there is to know about the 75+ different televisions sold at a given Best Buy location, including remembering the subtle differences between models of the same size and brand. Keep in mind that many of the televisions sold are not on display and you'll probably never see anything but the nearly generic brown boxes they are in, so visual cues are almost useless. There are no cheat-sheets or sales manuals listing the products in a department, and there are few brochures, if any. The same method applies to computers, car audio, etc. I don't envy anyone in a sales position at a retail electronics store.

  15. Re:might work for some, but not for me by KinkoBlast · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My solution would be to set "On Call Hours" and work from home. Or carry a good cell phone and try not to leave serviced areas. Someone has a problem, they call, and if you can't solve it over the phone, you go. You're done, you go back to what you were doing, or the next incident. Only problem is if you're on the way home with groceries...

  16. Re:The way it should be by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If your staff can do their weekly work in 20 hours a week, you are irresonsibly under-utilizing them and don't understand the value of your employees.

    As a matter of professional integrity, you should take those 20 extra hours and do more projects, produce more, do better documentation, do things people remember. You should deliver your projects earlier, and do more work than those around you.

    Why, even if you aren't staying there? It's a small world. You never know when your current supervisor/manager/whatever, or another employee is someday the person on the other end of an interview, or in a position to recommend hiring at a nother job. Respect is everything.

    The kind of situation you describe works fine when people are driven and responsible; it falls apart when poeple just want ot do the bare mimimum they are asked, then forget about work. The occasional break because work was completed ahead of schedule is fine.. but if everyone is only working at half capacity, you have either a motivational problem, a management problem, or both.

  17. Re:A retail employee rant (Re:Geek squad is a frau by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are no cheat-sheets or sales manuals listing the products in a department, and there are few brochures, if any. ...and the people with the initiative to dig out the manuals from the floor-display boxes or download them from the manufacturer's website to read them on their lunch break aren't willing to work for the wages Best Buy offers.

  18. Re:They have yet to address... by kthejoker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But how hard would it be for them to offer bonuses, incremental pay raises, or free loot for employees who passed some basic knowledge-assessment tests?

    "Take the High-Definition Assessment Test, Earn $100"

    "Learn the Difference Between Macs and PCs, Get a 25 cents / hour raise"

    I could go on and on, but the point is, it's not hard to offer incentives for your employees to learn. They're just too cheap to do it.