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The Dutch Kill Analog TV Nationwide

Willem de Koning writes Yesterday the Netherlands completely ended transmission of analog television signals, becoming the first country in the world to do so. So what about cars and portable TVs? I'm guessing a market will emerge for portable set top boxes / converters." The article mentions the timetable for other countries to go all-digital; by 2011 most or all of the developed world will have made the switch.

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  1. No they didn't by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 5, Informative

    They only discontinued analog broadcasts over the air. The majority of people in the Netherlands get their television service through analog cable and not digital service.

    1. Re:No they didn't by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cable companies here in the Netherlands are planning to do the same thing, but they are being careful not to announce it too clearly.

      Right now, typical cable networks have about 32 analog channels and around 60-90 digital channels of which some are in premium packages.
      Cable companies are agressively marketing their digital packages with offers for free receivers, free premium channels for several months when signing a contract, etc.

      They are complaining that 15 euro per month (the typical price for analog plus the digital base package) is not covering the cost and that the income from the average subscriber has to be doubled in the upcoming years.
      So, what I expect to happen is within a year they announce that "their digital offering has been a big success" and they cut back the number of analog channels in the base package to use them for more premium channels. Existing programmes will still be part of the base digital package for a while, but when the number of subscribers to their premium packages (which often are 10 euros each) is not increasing rapidly enough, they will move some of these channels that traditionally were in the base package (like Discovery, Nat. Geographic, etc) over to a premium package.

      After a while there will be only about 12-16 analog channels left (which the cable companies today have to provide by law) and when "almost all" clients have been forced over to digital this way, the analog package can be dropped just as easily as happened with the terrestrial transmitters yesterday.

      ("there are only 74.000 viewers left so why bother")

  2. Re:Uh, huh... by JesseL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those obsolete TVs weren't going to last forever in any case. Sometimes you just have to make a clean break from legacy technologies in order to make any progress. At least doing it all at once lets you run reasonably efficient "recycle your old TV" programs.

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  3. Re:Back in the old days by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the USA and most other countries, color TV signals are backwards compatible with the older black and white standards. Old B&W sets worked just fine on color broadcasts. That's one reason why analog color still looks so crappy to this day: the way color signal was shoehorned into the original standard creates a lot of visual artifacts.

  4. Re:Uh, huh... by HappySqurriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And all those obsolete TVs will be dumped in the third world for scrap prices. Going digital might be nice as long as it doesn't destroy the environment and set the third world further back.

    Actually, many of those TVs will probably have people buying a digital-to-analogue reciever for $25-$50 because (as CRT tvs become harder and harder to find) it will be cheaper than upgrading your TV to a reasonable sized LCD/Plasma TV (as a guess, $250-$500 for a 25-30 inch LCD TV).

    There are millions of people who live on less than $25,000 per year in North America and they are probably not going to rush out to spend hundreds of dollars on a new TV.

  5. Re:The scariest part of this article: by hanwen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the state-supported media are more objective than any of the commercial channels.

    Any club of people that can raise a significant number of members will get
    public funding and can participate in the public channel. There are broadcasting organisations
    with socialist, catholic, buddhist, islam, etc. backgrounds, and they all get their voice.

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  6. Re:Uh, huh... by Erwin_D · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only analogue transmissions overether are stopped. Over 90% of the population have cable already (both analogue and digital). What the article fails to mention is that it only impacts about 70,000 people still receiving analogue signals from the air. Plus, the signal is replaced with digital (DVB-T). So these 70,000 can either get a DVB-T or a satelite receiver.

  7. Re:Make up your mind! by Luctius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its you silly English people who name us "the dutch", and our country either "The Netherlands" or even worse "Holland".
    We name ourselves (as a country) "Nederland", which is inhabited by "nederlanders".

  8. Re:It's HOLLAND by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Funny

    But I don't see what Dutch investment in the US has to do with anything in this article.

    It doesn't, he's just bragging that he personally owns the entire state you live in.

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  9. Re:It's HOLLAND by rve · · Score: 4, Funny

    my real point is- radio waves do not respect borders....

    So what?

    Ending analogue transmissions isn't intended as a punitive or repressive measure, it's meant to save a laughably small amount of money by ending a service that wasn't really used much anymore.

    All these foreign channels are available on their laughably small (analogue) cable networks, free for them to watch on their teeny tiny little TV sets in their silly little houses.

  10. Re:The scariest part of this article: by wfberg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the state-supported media are more objective than any of the commercial channels.

    Any club of people that can raise a significant number of members will get
    public funding and can participate in the public channel. There are broadcasting organisations
    with socialist, catholic, buddhist, islam, etc. backgrounds, and they all get their voice.


    In addition to this, you have to realize
    1) public broadcasters also feature advertising
    2) it has been known for a public broadcaster to become a commercial broadcaster (veronica)
    3) workers from failed commercial broadcasters have been known to rejoin the public system (tv10)
    All of this mitigates the influence of government. (And the government money mitigates undue influence from advertisers).

    The public broadcasters themselves are independent member-run organizations and can (and have) defied government positions. More successfully than the BBC has managed, for instance (turns out they were right about reports about Iraq's weapons being 'sexed up', but they didn't have the balls to say to the government 'you can put in a complaint like any regular citizen').

    Additionally, public broadcasters are required by law to have editorial codes that guarantee editorial/journalistic independence for their employees - independence from both the government, advertisers AND the broadcaster itself. The journalist's trade union is always keen to complain about instances of this independence being threatened.

    Getting impartial/non-partisan news is hardly the problem. The problem is that the news is either boring (especially the christian broadcasters, always yapping on about 'church matters' or, for some not well understood reason, every minute detail of the troubles in Israel) or alarmist and/or xenophobic drivel designed to compete with the commercial channels.

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  11. In praise of state-supported channels by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 4, Informative
    There's been research on this, comparing viewers of state-sponsored broadcasters like PBS and BBC to viewers of FOX and Sky. What they discovered is that the viewers of the state-owned channels are much more likely to know the truth. So for example: In the composite analysis of the PIPA study, 80 percent of Fox News watchers had one of more of these misperceptions, in contrast to 71 percent for CBS and 27 percent who tuned to NPR/PBS

    Does it really sound like the public is being served by the private media? Don't you wish we would have been a bit savvier when, through being misinformed, we supported our politicians in their attack on Iraq?

    1. Re:In praise of state-supported channels by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that study has it's causation turned all around.

      People who wear tweed coats are probably on average more well-informed than people wearing denim shirts with name patches, but that doesn't mean that putting on a tweed coat will magically make you smarter. It might be self-selective earlier on in the chain somewhere.

      Fox News didn't exist a decade ago, and now it's the top cable news channel, beating out CNN. A whole lot of people chose to watch it. That underlying preference for the viewpoint that Fox espouses is what separates Fox viewers from PBS viewers. And that preference is probably closely linked to a lot of socioeconomic factors like income level, education level, and occupation, all of which could cause people to be more or less well-informed. Unless you control for all those factors, you can't say (and shouldn't imply) that Fox News makes you stupid. It might be that Fox News' viewers were stupid already.

      Looking at the study you linked to (which is by SourceWatch, which I'd argue is somewhat liberally biased) was specifically considering 'misperceptions' concerning the Iraq war and other politically sensitive issues; ignoring the fact that people may in fact be choosing to hold those misperceptions more or less consciously. People are quite capable of believing fervently in things they know not to be true, or at least ought to suspect are not true; to say that something about Iraq is a 'misperception' ignores that someone may decide to support the war in Iraq first, and then choose to believe whatever information best substantiates their already-chosen stance. (On the other side, I know quite a few people who probably believe that G.W. Bush is worse than Hitler and eats a steady diet of nails and raw babies; any information that might detract from this image is quickly ignored.) I think the psychological term for this is confirmation bias. Really, to convincingly show which group of people were more or less informed in an abstract sense, you'd probably want to ask about politically neutral issues.

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  12. Re:It's HOLLAND by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ending analogue transmissions isn't intended as a punitive or repressive measure, it's meant to save a laughably small amount of money by ending a service that wasn't really used much anymore. No. It's meant to turn a frequency range that can be allocated in exchange for a certain amount of money, into a frequency range that can be allocated in exchange for a significantly larger amount of money. You can fit more digital TV channels into the same bandwidth than you can analogue channels.
  13. Re:Uh, huh... by d2ksla · · Score: 4, Funny
    Entropy always wins.

    Chuck Norris always wins over entropy.