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OpenOffice.org 2.1 Released With New Templates

Several readers wrote in to mention the release of OpenOffice.org 2.1. It includes support for 64-bit Linux and a number of other improvements, including multiple monitor support for Impress, improved Calc HTML export, and automatic notification of updates. Also, all of the templates and clip-art that were submitted for the template contest are available to download.

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  1. My Suggestion to OO Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Make it stable on primary platforms (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX)
    2. Make native binaries on Linux AMD64 and Mac OSX.
    3. Increase compatibility with all version of MSOffice.
    4. Make it less memory hungry.
    5. Make it speedier.

    Everything else can wait.

    1. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You make it sound like that's a small list that doesn't encompass much. I don't know, though... I don't really have huge problems with stability. MSOffice compatibility is pretty good, and seems to be getting better all the time. Plus, I somewhat blame Microsoft for the problem, so no point in telling the developers about it-- they know.

      By your complaint about OSX-native binaries, I assume you mean a version which doesn't require X11? If that's the case, you should at least check out NeoOffice, which is an attempt to bring a native port of OOo to OSX (including Aqua-fying the interface). It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good considering their lack of resources. Last I heard, it was a two-man operation. Still, it would be nice if the OOo people would either support the NeoOffice guys, help out, or make some effort toward bringing their own port to OSX.

      So I guess we're really left with making it faster and lighter. I can't say I disagree, but it does seem like that might be a difficult task. Someone involved in the project might be able to tell me, would it make the whole thing run faster and use less RAM if you broke the thing out into separate applications? Personally, I can deal with the increase hard drive space, as well as the increased overhead of running multiple concurrent executables, if it means that any given executable can be launched more quickly and with less overhead. But maybe that's just me.

      Either way, yes, I'd like to see OOo faster. Also, if I could add to your list, I'd really like to see the whole thing be prettier. I know, it seems like a minor thing, but it's easier to sell people on an application if it's pretty, and I do occasionally try to convert people to using OOo. I guess it'd be more accurate to say, it'd be nice if the Windows and OSX versions of OOo were to blend in better with their perspective operating systems. Running on X11 in OSX is a bit silly, and the icons and toolbars tend to look a little "off" in Windows. They just don't quite fit in with native applications. In Windows, it's a very minor complaint, but a complaint none the less.

      Otherwise, I wouldn't want to end the post without being thankful and happy at OpenOffice's continued development. It's a fantastic application, keeping me free from needing Microsoft for most of my day-to-day tasks. And you really can't beat the price! So, if any OOo developers managed to read through all this, and didn't feel like beating the crap out of me for my nit-picking, thank you very much!

    2. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The OO development is driven by a community, as far as I know. It means that the community actually sees merit in having a free (as in freedom) MS Office clone. In my opinion, they are right. There are already free products which provide different functionality, like AbiWord, Gnumeric, LaTeX and etc. (I, for instance, stopped using word processors altogether after I've discovered LaTeX; does it mean that everyone would benefit from making such a move? I don't think so.) These are all excellent products, but their existence does not alleviate the perceived need for core MSO functionality, and hence we have OO.

    3. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by h4rm0ny · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Amen to that! No more new features. No more wizziness. Stop it freezing and crashing (especially base on Linux which is close to unusable), and make it work. It may not be as exciting as adding on another widget, but it is what OO really, really needs.

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    4. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by massysett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You are right about LaTeX. It doesn't try to beat word processors at their own game--and why should it? Unix text processing has a much longer history than WYSIWYG word processors.

      Similarly, Ledger doesn't try to beat Quicken or MS Money at their own game. It uses a completely different paradigm (the command line, and a plain text data file) and does it very well. Gnucash, on the other hand, plays the Quicken and MS Money game and, I would argue, does not measure up.

      But Gnumeric really is an Excel clone, just as OOo Calc is an Excel clone. I'd argue Gnumeric is a better Excel clone than OOo Calc, but it's still just an Excel clone. Can you name me an open source spreadsheet-like program that is not an Excel clone? What this would look like, I don't know. I've often wondered if there is a "Unix way" to do spreadsheets--that is, a way to put data in a plain text file and then do analysis on it.

      The other big "office suite" programs--word processing, email--have Unix alternatives that use a plain-text paradigm. The spreadsheet, at least to my knowledge, has no such Unix alternative. The closest things I can think of are awk and Gnuplot, but unlike LaTeX's ability to replace a word processor, I can't imagine using awk and Gnuplot in place of a spreadsheet.

      Maybe open-source is doomed to try to emulate Excel?

    5. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by killjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Maybe open-source is doomed to try to emulate Excel?"

      A spreadsheet is a spreadsheet. Excel was trying to emulate quattro pro and lotus 123, lotus 123 was trying to emulate visicalc.

      What else do you want from a spreadsheet?

      Personally I think spreadsheets are the most dangerous software on the market. At my last company we routinely lost millions of dollars because know nothing sales people used spreadsheets without understanding the math or the relationships between the data and gave wrong prices to customers. Eventually (I am not kidding) the CIO forbade the use of spreadsheets by the sales people and made them go through accounting instead. Eventually he had the IT staff write a custom app to do the pricing so that business rules could be enforced properly.

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    6. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OK, here's an immediate reply, right off the top of my head after reading your post. What's more, I'll only refer to the word processing component. I bet I get to ten within two minutes.

      1. Building and using document templates
      2. Defining and using styles for formatting
      3. Numbered/bulleted lists
      4. Tables of contents and indices
      5. Cross-references, citations and bibliographies
      6. Intelligent reuse of key text
      7. UI for importing from or linking to graphic files
      8. Commenting and review by people other than the author
      9. UI for table formatting
      10. Grammar checking

      I think that's ten, and I basically haven't stopped typing for more than a few seconds between each.

      As for how I'd fix them, well, I gave some description of how I'd organise a document preparation tool above. I wouldn't try to fix them with OOo Writer in its current form, because it has too much baggage: IMHO, you need a fundamental change in approach and UI priorities.

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    7. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by killjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Price, no vendor lock in, open file formats.

      Three big pluses.

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    8. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by RealGrouchy · · Score: 4, Funny
      know nothing sales people...without understanding the math or the relationships between the data and gave wrong prices to customers


      Did this company happen to be Verizon?

      - RG>
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    9. Re:My Suggestion to OO Developers by kabloom · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Maybe open-source is doomed to try to emulate Excel?

      A spreadsheet is a spreadsheet. Excel was trying to emulate quattro pro and lotus 123, lotus 123 was trying to emulate visicalc.

      Spreadsheet 2000 is certainly a different concept in the realm of spreadsheets.
  2. .torrent by defy+god · · Score: 5, Informative

    only a bit better than linking to their direct download links...

    http://distribution.openoffice.org/p2p/ torrents for Linux, Solaris, and Windows.

    A Mac OS X version of 2.1 does not seem to be available yet.

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  3. Re:64bit? by 77Punker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I knew the compile would take a long time, but months sounds excessive!

  4. my failed attempt to evangelize by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I teach physics lab courses at a community college. In the past, we'd had a lot of problems where students made a graph in Excel at school, took it home, and were unable to open it in Excel at home because it was an older version. I figured this was a natural situation in which to evangelize for open source. I got OOo installed on all the Windows computers in the labs, added instructions in the lab manual, and urged my students to use it, explaining the reasons.

    Well, basically it was a failure. Given the choice, they all use Excel. In fact, even the ones who don't know how to use a spreadsheet already have generally chosen to use Excel rather than learning OOo. It doesn't matter that I go out of my way to try to help them if they show interest in OOo. In fact, many of them seem to read the OOo instructions, but apply them to Excel -- which works, most of the time, since OOo is such a total monkey copy of Office.

    I would like to be able to say that their behavior was just irrational, but honestly I don't think it is. Actually there are at least two common graphing tasks that are extremely difficult to do in OOo. (1) Adjusting the scales on the axes. Sometimes it works, and sometimes, no matter how many times I click on the right place, it doesn't work. (2) Fitting a line and displaying the equation. This is dead easy in Excel, but unless they've improved OOo recently, it requires a mystic incantation (typing two different non-obvious, complicated formulas).

    My wife's reaction when I suggested trying OOo was that she wasn't interested, because she'd tried importing complex Word documents, and sometimes it lost some of the formatting. Well, actually, this is an extremely rational reason not to switch to OOo.

  5. Re:Does OpenOffice 2.1 have the MSFT Word bug? by megaditto · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you for supporting OpenOffice.
    Have you considered submitting a Feedback/Feature Request to support the latest ZeroDays?

    Other than that, you'll just have to wait since, unfortunately, OpenOffice is not yet sufficiently compatible with Microsoft Office to replicate the latter's vulnerabilities in their entirety. But we are working on it!

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  6. Re:Release Notes by ziggamon2.0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So... do you have anything in a human-readable format?

  7. Public domain clip arts by Lord+Satri · · Score: 4, Informative

    I never thought clip arts were important, maybe because I don't use them, until my wife (yes, even on /.) really required Clip Arts, and since I'm the pseudo-geek-of-the-house-using-open-stuff-whenever -possible, I had to find public domain clip arts.

    http://www.openclipart.org/
    http://www.wpclipart.com/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Clip_Art_Library

    My 10 minutes search on the Internet two weeks ago gave no that much interesting results. Only now I can understand how OpenOffice must also, somewhere amongst the priorities, continue to add clip arts and templates.

  8. Here's your business case by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your conclusion is fundamentally flawed: it does not follow that there exist a community of programmers working on something just because a lot of people would benefit from it. For a start, that would require a significant number of programmers (a) to appreciate the need, (b) to collaborate in order to produce a solution, and (c) to be willing to do so for little or no compensation if you think they're going to write it as OSS, and (d) to be willing to do so in an apparently crowded market with a dominant commercial player, established OSS projects as competition, and a user base who have been demonstrated for the most part to prefer paying Microsoft for their offering year-on-year rather than investigate alternatives that might suit them better.

    As much as you wish it, there is no need to create an application that is easy for masses to use and is at the same time capable of creating advanced documents.

    Of course there is. A gazillion people use Word in this role every day. Word isn't very good at it, but most people don't appreciate that because they have little experience of anything else in recent times.

    That doesn't change the fact that at a videoconference last week, with several relatively senior members of staff from all around the world and with very limited time available, we wasted upwards of five minutes while the expensive external consultant leading the presentation tried to get his bullet lists in Word to look consistent using Format Painter (which kept turning his text into Greek). He did the same thing the week before, too. Leaving aside the opportunity cost of that time, the cost to the business just to pay all those people to sit around and watch the consultant getting his document in a mess a couple of times was probably $500. In a smart document editor, his new bullet point would have just dropped into the list and formatted itself nicely the moment he typed it, or at worst required a click or two to say "this paragraph is a new item extending the list above it".

    At the same company the week before, I spent most of an hour swapping e-mails and calls with a colleague on the same team who couldn't work out why a document with an included image looked fine on her machine but didn't work when uploaded onto the network for others in the team to see; this turned out to be a linking vs. embedding problem. The cost to the business for the time for two of us to fix that and the resources we used in the process was probably $200, and again that excludes the opportunity cost for our time, the time lost as I got back to my own work after the interruption, and so on.

    These little things punctuate the daily lives of countless office workers around the world, wasting $100 here or $1,000 there. Those two anecdotes come from just my personal observations of one team at work over the past couple of weeks, and probably total $700 of loss to the business. This is more than enough to send the culprits on a basic training course, or to buy a couple of licences for better software. As the saying goes, if you think training is expensive, try ignorance. Likewise, a smart craftsman with good tools will tend to get better results faster than a low-skilled worker with inadequate tools, even if the latter doesn't realise what he's missing.

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  9. Criticism Where Due - But Appreciation is Due by Smackintosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I look at what's been done here...who knows how many endless hours of coding, several different platforms supported, an entire clone of the MS Office suite. What basically amounts to a very large commercial software product offering.

    For free.

    What's the benefit? It's FREE people! You don't have to spend a dime on it.

    It'd be nice to hear a kind word or two in appreciation every once in a while instead of a bunch of ingrate whiney bitches.