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The Xbox Live Arcade - One Year Later
Via Joystiq, an article at GamePro asking is Live Arcade worth it? One year after its launch, the service has been transformed by lots of retro classics, some brand new games, and the addition of the (now working) movie and television download service. What parts are good, what parts are bad, and ultimately, is it worth it? From the article: "Many of XBLA's original games draw their inspirations from classic video games, and the poster child for XBLA originals is Bizarre Creations' Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved. Released with the launch of Xbox 360, Geometry Wars showed a skeptical world just how cool original yet classically styled downloadable games could be. It plays like a crazed combination of all-time classics Asteroids and Robotron: 2084, with your lone, triangular spaceship pitted against literally endless hordes of nasty geometric shapes. The level of onscreen carnage is legendary; never has a game had more spectacular or over-the-top particle effects, showing that even simple games can be flashy."
Lots of graphical feedback elements and action..
Via Joystiq, an article at GamePro asking is Live Arcade worth it?
Worth what? The nothing extra you have to pay if you hve a 360 and a broadband connection? Acquiring a broadband connection if you don't already have one? Acquiring a 360 if you don't already have one? (The answers are yes, maybe, and no, incidentally).
I don't really know what question the article is trying to answer.
Reality has a conservative bias: it conserves mass, energy, momentum...
... is what comes out when you put Space Duel, Tempest and Robotron 2084 in a blender and press the 'Puree' button. And there's still a (discontinued,banninated) Win32 version floating out there on the InterTubes
I do love the Live Arcade and I love many games on it, but for my taste the release of arcade games is too slow, MS struggle to hit their target of one a week, whilst Nintendo is throwing out 5 - 10 a week. Some may argue that Nintendo has a bigger library but I don't think that's the case - MS has a massive library of PC games as has been demonstrated by the release of Doom and the upcoming release of Worms and such, there's plenty more PC classics they could throw out there, I can't beleive getting the IP holders to allow and follow through with this is the bottleneck here.
The other issue regarding content is the fact they've tried to shove a patch for Texas hold 'em and a set of Kameo Uno card decks on us as the supposed weekly game, that really does sound like they're clutching at straws some weeks to get any content at all out (some weeks have missed any kind of release entirely). From what I've read and what I've gathered the bottleneck seems to be MS' certification process if anything, god only knows what it involves but the speed it takes almost makes me wonder if they do a full source code audit of every submission couple with rigorous beta testing - that's no bad thing if you have the resources on the task to get it done rapidly.
I'm hoping with XNA people will start churning out stuff that MS will see and say "Hey, we need to get this onto the arcade ASAP", but even XNA is bottlenecked right now in that the only distribution method is to zip up your XNA project source and assets and e-mail them or whatever to whoever you're distributing to so that they can compile them using their copy of VC# and deploy it to their 360 themselves but if I've got a game I want to sell on the arcade, I don't want to be handing out source so I'm not entirely sure how MS expects anyone to get a game to be popular enough whilst at the same time not handing out your source when that's the only distribution method. You could use XNA and deploy a commercial version of your project for Windows but that's hardly an option if you're designing around the 360 controller, the 360 controller does work on Windows but I doubt many people would buy one to play games on their Windows machine.
MS is getting there and they're well ahead of Sony, but only just up with Nintendo on the whole downloadable games thing - XNA has potential though so let's hope they can convince the MS execs that XNA is good so that the XNA team is given permission to make a proper process for game distribution as well as permission to add networking support to XNA - something that it sorely needs!
First off let me start by explaining who owns the Xbox Live Marketplace. Microsoft. Period. This is like someone drawing a comic (the developer) and I own a shop. If I think you're charging too much, not giving enough, or not being nice, you're not in my shop. PERIOD. So all the fault with the problems come back to Microsoft in that Microsoft allowed them to happen.
Now let's get into the Xbox Live Arcade. There's a large amount of good games on it. Let's start with Geometry wars, Marble blast, and Mutant storm. These are three excellent games that came out almost at launch. Each of them are great in different ways.
But not all games were great at launch, the biggest problem child is Bankshot Billards 2, which they gave away for free with the 12 month live boxes. That's a 15 dollar value! Except it's not. Backshot billards 2 is a below average game for anyone who doesn't REALLLLY like pool. And this brings us to the big problem, the value of the games are skewed.
Can someone tell me why I'm paying 5 dollars for Contra, or Defender? I can shell that out for sinstar easily, but when you don't even know if the co-op online is going to work. Why am I paying 15 dollars for Small Arms (though fun, isn't worth that much single player)? There's a great many games that are overpriced, and the biggest problem is that those prices will NOT go down, why should they? Microsoft has a monopoly on the market.
In addition Microsoft has allowed really shady customers (sharks) into the kiddie pool. Lumines Live for instance is stated as being a full game. However when you pay 15 dollars for it you find out "It's not a full game". You miss out on mission/Puzzle/ Vs. Cpu, and other modes. So really all you get is base mode and skin mode. Nice. Then you shell out even more for Advanced mode (Btw if you paid for Lumines, that's actually worth it). A better system would have been to give away the entire engine for free, but only allow full play if you buy the base pack or advance pack or another pack (which hasn't even been released yet). Microsoft should have just said no to that idea. All told a consumer will have to pay almost 40 bucks for what they can get on the PS2 for 20 or the PSP for 20? Not a good move.
And to make matters more complicated, Microsoft has screwed the developer by placing rules in place to make sure your Arcade game is no bigger then 50 megs. Which results in Developers screwing consumers by charging more for the second download so they can get around that rule (See Lumines again). Many good games won't be able to exist on the Arcade, but easily will exist on PS3's marketplace style stuff. How they will do Symphony of the Night on the Arcade will be interesting.
This isn't to say Microsoft doesn't have good choices. The limit in price for a Xbox Live game is 1200 points I believe (might be 1600 but I don't think so). They only give out a certain amount of tickets so no matter how much people want to flood the arcade with retro crap they can't just do it. But still Microsoft has a huge boone and they need to focus their energies on new games.
That being said there has been a turn around recently from a week marketplace to a good one. Small Arms while over priced is interesting, Assault heroes this week is a great buy, and Roboblitz is a really interesting game. However right around any corner is a pile of Retro games waiting to junk up the month.
The biggest boone out of all the rubble is demos. Wii needs to get something like that. Ps3 should already have it. The marketplace demos are good, but the Arcade demos sell more games then anything. And that's the core of the solution. Try before you buy and enjoy what's worth money. Geometry wars and mutant storm, yes. Retro games, probably not.
There's a lot of other Microsoft flaws with marketplace operations (microsoft points, themes and pictures for sale even though you buy the game, overcharging for themes and pictures) but that's the core of the marketplace, not the arcade itself.
I just bought a 360 a couple months ago after getting an HDTV. I really enjoy the games on Live. Recently the Wed releases have been really good originals. Small Arms, Roboblitz, and the excellent Assault Heroes released this morning have all been good. $10 for Small Arms and Assault Heroes isn't bad at all. Roboblitz for $15 is pushing it. I also like being able to play Defender, Galaga, etc. without using discs or having a hacked Xbox running MAME. Marble Blast is pretty much liked by everybody that plays it. With board games like Carcassonne and Settlers of Catan coming to the Live arcade it's getting more diverse. And that's not even talking about all the other games on there.
Granted, the XBox Live Arcade is well executed, but it lacks timely content releases. One or two XBLA titles per month and a few 360 game demos just isn't enough by itself to make me buy content for XBLA yet.
In the meanwhile, Nintendo has beaten Microsoft to the punch just by simply including a basic web browser. Combined with Flash and Java, one could easily pump out dozens of multi-console games to play within the web browser. All Nintendo or Microsoft would have to do is monitor the popularity of such games, then purchase the rights to create a console native version that supports all of the controller's buttons, along with console specific effects and support for things like Xbox Live's gamerscore feature.
It'd give every aspiring game developer a distinct voice on the next gen consoles, and would allow the end users to determine what games are worth cleaning up and designed specifically for their system of choice.
Hell, I'm a flash developer that has a game in the works and I'd love to see it get adopted onto a major console based on user choice, once it'ss ready to be released!
8==8 Bones 8==8
I think you've done some bad math my friend. The cost of an average game on the XBMP is around $5. Lumines was like $8 for the base and $8 more for the advanced pack.
Where are you getting that it costs like $40?
If anything its a bargain.... I paid $40 for it on PSP and that is without many of the modes that the 360 version has. You need to check your math my friend.
Check your numbers again. Lumines was 1200 points for the "base" (full game). Which is 15 american dollars. 600 for advance is around 8 dollars. There's talks of at least 2 if not 3 more packs (Vs. CPU, Puzzle/Mission, artist pack) which has rumored prices of around 600-1200 points (depending on the source).
All three packs that I meantioned that arn't out, have been announced by Microsoft and confirmed by others.
You made one mistake with your comment; Microsoft is not setting those prices. Microsoft offers the XLBA service to indy developers who want to launch small titles for the XBox and the XBox 360. Microsoft provides the financial transaction system in way of "points." But Microsoft does not at all set the value of any of the material on XLBA. That value is set by the publishers themselves. So if you think a game is overpriced, or game content is too expensive, or there are too many micro-payments to play a game, bitch at the publisher, not Microsoft.
As for size, I'm fairly sure at least one or two of those games is about 75MB. Although I do think a size limitation is probably fine.
Except that the base pack contains modes that weren't in the original PSP game. Add in the advanced pack and you have much MORE content and play modes (like online) in $23 worth of Lumines Live than you did in the $40 Lumines that was released at the PSP launch. You can't really count expansion packs as a "total cost". If you did, you could say the "Sims" is actually a $1000 game. No one makes you buy extra content and the demo explicitly says what content is in each pack when you try to play them. Just because you can't read isn't Microsoft's fault. Similarly, if you don't like retro games, don't buy them. At least on XBLA you get a free demo to figure out if you like something. On the Wii, you are SOL if you realize that the game isn't your cup of tea. Worse, on the Wii your downloads are tied to your individual console so you can't take them to a friends house and you have to hope Nintendo allows you to transfer them if your Wii is bricked by the latest store update.
Interesting strategy... That they use a "points system" to obfuscate how much you're really paying.
If you fix the game prices and balance to a single currency and do not change them, then you have people using multiple regional accounts to shop around for arcade games depending on the currencies value. This must be allowed because there are people that move their console from country to country, thus they must be allowed to legally purchase content in that region when they are physically located there.
Does anyone know how many copies of this game have been sold? I mean the business model behind this game should be a motivation for any indie game developer out there! e.g. 1 million copies times $4 dollars (assuming microsoft gets $1 on a $5 sale) is 4 million dollars thats not bad for a couple of month work I guess.
...what matters is what you like, not what you are like...
Your post was interesting. Your writing skills remind me of the opening few paragraphs in all of the game FAQs I've read: like a 14 year old attempting to appear intelligent and worldly.
The post started out with a bang by providing an explanation of who owns the Xbox Live Marketplace. I don't believe anyone here was questioning that fact. And yes, as in your hypothetical comic book store, the owner makes the rules of what will go on sale because it is their store. (But if you really think a successful business bases its stock availability on whether someone is 'nice', you're nuts. They will offer whatever they believe people will buy.) (Yes, I know your comic book store has its own guidelines, but I said 'successful.')
In the next few paragraphs of your post you pontificate upon which games are worth the price Microsoft charges, and which are not. You state your opinions as though they are fact.
Just as in your ill-fated comic book store merchandising plan, you make the false assumption that the entirety of the XBLA population feels exactly the same as you do. This *might* not be true. In fact, some people may feel that Contra was a great bargain, while their overall feeling toward Small Arms may have been, "Fuck you and the wires you rode in on."
Lastly, I applaud your efforts to craft an interesting and well-written post. While you succeeded in a few cases, (I particularly liked your use of 'rubble') you failed miserably in others. Most notably your repeated misspelling of the word 'boon' exposes a weakness in your facade. But most importantly, thank you very much for putting so much thought into your post.
No reason to lie.
If by "multipler" you mean "multiplayer", then avoid Konami's multiplayer games. XBLA Contra in 2-player cooperative mode is notorious for desynchronizing.
This must be allowed because there are people that move their console from country to country, thus they must be allowed to legally purchase content in that region when they are physically located there.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. If you carry your unmodded PS2, or even DVD player, from California to Australia, good luck purchasing content.