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Liquid Terror Charges Dropped

A Pakistani judge has decided to drop terrorism charges against the man described as a "key figure" in the alleged plan to blow up flights out of London using liquid explosives. Instead of facing charges of terrorism for the plot, which forced many travelers to follow strict guidelines with respect to liquids, Rashid Raud now faces charges such as forgery. From the article: "Several commentators said the threat was deliberately exaggerated to bolster the anti-terror credentials of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf and that it helped to demonise British Muslims of Pakistani origin. The Crown Prosecution Service in the UK said the dropping of charges against Mr Rauf in Pakistan would "make no difference" to the case against the men charged in Britain."

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  1. Awesome by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd assume this means we're not going to have to take off our shoes or check our liquids anymore? Oh wait, I keep on assuming the TSA isn't a government agency run by the retarded and/or blind.

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    1. Re:Awesome by clark0r · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You would have thought that after the whole threat was rubbished by just about anybody with any basic knowledge of classroom chemistry, the home office and BAA would have downgraded the threat. I must say though, I flew from Gatwick 1 week after the plot was 'uncovered' and it didn't really affect me in the slightest. The queues were orderly and moved at quite a good pace, but the security staff didn't have a clue what they were doing. One woman performing searches on people let several people through with cigarette lighters and cigarettes, both clearly not allowed through the checkpoints. Shambles.

    2. Re:Awesome by glesga_kiss · · Score: 5, Interesting
      You would have thought that after the whole threat was rubbished by just about anybody with any basic knowledge of classroom chemistry, the home office and BAA would have downgraded the threat.

      I thought it was now common knowledge that the whole thing was a sham. It was to get another embarrassing item off the news at the time; our ongoing support for the bombardment of Lebanon when every other country in the world was crying out for a ceasefire. It was getting pretty embarrassing for them just as this story "broke".

      UK intelligence agencies have said (off-the-record of course) that they wanted to continue observing the group and taking notes, getting contacts and so on. There was never any danger; not only did they not have any chemicals or plane tickets, most of those involved did not even have passports!! It was amateur hour and I believe that the intelligence agencies were waiting to see if they actually knew anyone relevant that they could further investigate.

      It was said at the time that the push to make arrests came from the US intelligence service and that this was in spite of vocal opposition from those watching "the group". Now, from what I understand, the only reference to actually attacking planes comes from the torture of someone in Pakistan. The person in question had fled the UK on suspision of murder charges. So, what do you get when you combine an untrustworthy person with torture? Fairytales.

      Further reading:

      A chemists view

      Opinion on those involved

      More on the chemical side

      This was a non-story and I am amazed that the sham has held so long. I'd make a point of arguing the banality of it when passing through an airport, but it's just not worth the cavity search. I guess I should just be a nice, compliant citizen and be afraid and keep my mouth shut.

    3. Re:Awesome by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 4, Funny
      I know this, I just find it as inane as the liquids. One unsuccessful shoe bomb = everyone takes their shoes off forever.

      It's almost laughable.

      Thank god there's never been an ass bomber, think what we'd have to go through!

      Ok technically my brother is an ass bomber but he's never flown. He leaks a green miasma though.

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    4. Re:Awesome by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find it funny that the FAA doesn't allow matches to be in luggage checked into the plane. I can understand a lighter might leak and therefore expose something very flammable in the undercarriage. But matches? How could they accidentally light themselves?

      It was through pressure brought by the Grue lobby.

    5. Re:Awesome by jandrese · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I dropped a brand new box of those strike anywhere matches on the floor once when I was a kid. It was still pretty tightly sealed so after the heads burned the wood didn't go anywhere, but it was still pretty scary.

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    6. Re:Awesome by cpuh0g · · Score: 5, Funny

      A "bra" bomber would have made flying a bit more interesting.

  2. Great. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now that that's cleared up, can I finally bring my oh-so-dangerous fifth of vodka in the same carry-on I use to hold my laptop so I can drink myself back into unconsciousness when the oh-so-harmless lithium batteries run out?

  3. This liquid bomb this is such a joke by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Numerous experts have said there's no practical or safe way to make a bomb from separate liquids onboard an airplane. Google for it, you'll be amazed how vaccuus the allegation from London police is.

    Which leaves us with only one reason why the UK government would make such a noise around this fantasy: to raise the terror feeling in the general population in order to pass more restrictive laws and embed the police state a little deeper.

    I keep wondering why nobody stands up to these clowns. There isn't a shred of evidence to support the current rules that prevent people from bringing soda pops and baby bottles in airplanes. Quite the contrary. Yet people seem to accept this. It's 1984 unfolding before our very eyes in Britain and in the US and that makes me sad...

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    1. Re:This liquid bomb this is such a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Last week I was on a short business flight within Canada.

      When I went through security I had to give up my ***potentially explosive*** 1L plastic bottle of Pepsi, and be hassled about wearing steel toed shoes (regulation work issued footwear).

      After clearing security and getting into the holding pen..err...Lounge area, I went to a vending machine and purchased a GLASS bottle of orange juice.

      Now, I'm not the stereotypical terrorist type, but yeah, I could kill a pilot or a couple stews with a broken bottle. It makes me so appreciative of the safety provided by those airline security fees I paid for, knowing they are being circumvented by the Coca-Cola delivery guy ;).

    2. Re:This liquid bomb this is such a joke by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The practicality of the creation of such a device is irrelevant to the charges at hand. The demonstration of means, even though such means may prove to be flawed, motive and opportunity to commit a terrorist act combined with the creation of martyrdom videos and possession of other terrorism manuals and associated materials is enough by itself to merit charges and, judging from the evidence collected thus far, conviction of conspiracy to commit mass murder.

      It is right for us, the civilized members of society, to send a message that this sort of behavior will NOT be tolerated after 9/11 and 7/7. It should be made clear to these terrorists that we will lock them up in supermax for the remainder of their natural lives or hang them for treason when we catch them. The terrorists are the common enemies of all humanity and they should be treated as such.

      This does not mean that we give up our freedoms, but rather that we deal with terrorists harshly when we catch them. It is legally no different than the special distinction that is made between ordinary crimes and hate crimes where the penalties are increased due to the ulterior motivations and heinous nature of the offenses.

  4. Remember: Be affraid! by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not physically possible to do the "mix household liquids" terrorist plot in a plane. It takes hours, releases a lot of fumes, and requires control over the temperature. The officials know this.

    The "safety" measures were a show.
    They had nothing to do with keeping people safe, and everything to do with keeping people affraid.

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    1. Re:Remember: Be affraid! by glesga_kiss · · Score: 4, Insightful
      In any case, if boxcutters can crash 4 planes simultaneously i'm sure you don't need something as complicated as a binary liquid explosive.

      If anything like that ever happens again, it won't be for a very long time. People know what happened on 9/11. You are not going to do so well with a melee weapon against a whole airliner worth of people who know they are fighting for their lives.

  5. "Safe" by DBett · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Numerous experts have said there's no practical or safe way to make a bomb from separate liquids onboard an airplane.


    Not sure if 'safety' would be a top priority.
    1. Re:"Safe" by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ummm... these are suicide bombers we're talking about. I wouldn't exactly use the word rational to describe these people.

      When our guys die in uniform, they are heroes and patriots.
      When their guys die they are crazy and irrational.

  6. Political Knee-Jerk by twifosp · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm no conspiracy theorist, but to ignore the political knee-jerk reaction that occurred when these events happened is just ignorant. I seriously doubt the plot was engineered by political entities using fear in an attempt to sway public opinion. Having said that, I also have very little doubt this entire scenario was a knee-jerk reaction from political pressure to law enforcement agencies (both British and American) to find a real plot in the making, ANY plot no matter how far-fetched or improbable to acctually happen, and blow it way out of proportion. This allowed them convince the public that we are always on the verge of a major terrorist attack and we need to give the government more powers in order to protect us.

    The fact that the courts are not finding enough evidence to convict only support this theory. Combine that with timing of the event, and the new scare policies implemented in Airports, along with the speeches made by certain political parties (i.e. better not vote for our opponents or next time this would have killed your newborn child, puppy dog, and a baby seal) and you have yourself what appears to be a bonified piece of engineered political propaganda.

    Interesting, are the times we live; the methods used to influence public opinion, and therefore events and public control, are no different than they were 50-60 years ago when the world was in turmoil. We never really learn do we?

  7. Read the FAQ (RTFF) by Flying+pig · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Slashdot is run by Americans, after all, and the vast majority of our readership is in the U.S. We're certainly not opposed to doing more international stories, but we don't have any formal plans for making that happen. All we can really tell you is that if you're outside the U.S. and you have news, submit it, and if it looks interesting, we'll post it.
    Some people would say that the biggest problem the US faces is that so many of its citizens are so US-centric. It's hard to be the world's policeman and leading superpower when the people who vote aren't interested. When it was the United Kingdom that had the job, it had a large pool of (frequently multilingual) sailors to draw on, and an upper class that learned Latin, Greek and French as a core part of the curriculum to prepare them for languages like Arabic later on.

    Nowadays all politics are global. Pakistan is in America's back yard, Britain is a puppet state. Stories like this on Slashdot just reflect reality, not how some anonymous coward from Outer Fencepost, Wyoming would like things to be.

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  8. Re:My Rights Online??!! by TommydCat · · Score: 4, Funny

    However it appears an increasing number of my rights have been going offline as of late...

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  9. Liquid Terror? by TheWoozle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like the batch of home-made beer my dad made when I was 10...

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  10. Spectacle vs Results by why-is-it · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This was a non-story and I am amazed that the sham has held so long. I'd make a point of arguing the banality of it when passing through an airport, but it's just not worth the cavity search. I guess I should just be a nice, compliant citizen and be afraid and keep my mouth shut.

    I agree with everything you said, but there is something I would like to add: what the authorities did wasn't even sound police work. It was a lame attempt for some good PR to justify the cost and inconvenience of all these policies designed to make us feel safe, even if they don't actually work.

    Let us assume for the moment that there really was a plot. Instead of a photo-op and a few headlines, the smart thing to do would have been to continue efforts to infiltrate the group, gather more evidence and when there is a case, quietly arrest the suspects and let the justice system do it's job. Of course, I am making the huge assumption that the people in charge of the investigation were not subject to political interference at home, or abroad.

    Unfortunately, the people who make homeland security policies seem to make decisions based on theater rather than plain-old boring police work. One gets you headlines, and the other gets you results. What a shame that massaging their own egos is priority #1.

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    1. Re:Spectacle vs Results by theLOUDroom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let us assume for the moment that there really was a plot. Instead of a photo-op and a few headlines, the smart thing to do would have been to continue efforts to infiltrate the group

      Why bother when you're allowed to torture people?

      Given enough time, you get these guys to say anything you want.
      Why waste all that effort to find the guilty, when you can just pick someone and beat them until they admit their guilt or agree to testify to someone else's guilt?

      So what if the actual terrorists blow up a few more things, it only confrims that you need even more power to persue them!

      I'm not necessarily saying that's what happened here, but when you look at the big picture, it sure looks really bad.

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  11. Re:My Rights Online??!! by TommydCat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps to travel with my documents secure (and not searched) and unfettered travel between states? There must be a reason this was spelled out by our forefathers...

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  12. Re:Video that shows something similar by Big+Bob+the+Finder · · Score: 4, Informative

    The videos were from Brainiac, and if you look carefully in the slow motion of the first bathtub they blow up, you can see the wire that leads over the size to the charge they set off. I've worked with cesium and rubidium, and they're not too much stronger than potassium- not enough that such a small amount would blow it up, anyway. Simply put, they fudged it with a small charge to wow the audience. Some great science going on there.

    As for the "new terrorist binary explosive" video, that's simply a small demo charge in the post used to support the melon. The shower of sparks pretty much gives it away. No tiny amount of chemical exposives can cause that much damage. Moreover, if it were that strong, the author whipped up a massive batch of the stuff (in relative terms)- an explosive sufficiently sensitive to shock initiation that mixing it the wrong way would have killed him, when he could have made a much smaller batch. It's just silliness. It also seems the sky is a bit darker after the "explosion," as if the melon were removed and a small pyro charge was set off and spliced in there. The quantity of explosives used is far too small, even for the most powerful of primary explosives.

    Disclaimer: I am, in fact, an explosives chemist with extensive experience with primary, secondary, and blasting explosives, including terrorist "improvised" explosives and devices.

  13. Re:My Rights Online??!! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The IRA received most of their funding from the USA, and the 'Real IRA' probably still has weapons left over from that. The big benefit of the WTC attacks from a British perspective was that the USA suddenly decided that funding terrorists wasn't cool anymore.

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  14. Leading superpower? Not if we keep this up. by CleverNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Some people would say that the biggest problem the US faces is that so many of its citizens are so US-centric. It's hard to be the world's policeman and leading superpower when the people who vote aren't interested.


    It's also hard to be a leading superpower when our leadership is so incompetent, the rest of the world doesn't respect us. Right now, the only reason anyone listens to us is because we have bigger guns and lots of consumers to buy crap, and that's embarrassing. I'd rather be respected than feared.