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10 Tech Concepts You Should Know for 2007

mattnyc99 writes "Popular Mechanics has a new list of wide-ranging technology terms it claims will be big in 2007. From PRAM to BAN and SmartPills to data clouds, it's a pretty nice summary of upcoming and in-the-works trends across the board (with a podcast embedded). Though these aren't technologies they expect to be in everyone's homes next year, they're sure this tech will be in the headlines. How do their predictions from a year ago stack up now?" From the article: "Printed Solar Panels - Tomorrow's solar panels may not need to be produced in high-vacuum conditions in billion-dollar fabrication facilities. If California-based Nanosolar has its way, plants will use a nanostructured "ink" to form semiconductors, which would be printed on flexible sheets. Nanosolar is currently building a plant that will print 430 megawatts' worth of solar cells annually--more than triple the current solar output of the entire country."

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  1. a future Ask Slashdot... by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

    I tripled the size of my Body Area Network using the Twinkie Expansion Method so I could have enough bandwidth to access my whole personal Data Cloud.

    Now my bed is made of Bendable Concrete and my girlfriend has left me, complaining about my Plasma Arc Gasification.

    Now who is going to mend my Printed Solar Panel shirts?

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    1. Re:a future Ask Slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and my girlfriend has left me...

      So in your vision of the future, Slashdotters will be able to get girlfriends? Seems a bit optimistic to me.

  2. 2006's predictions were kind of accurate.... by 8127972 · · Score: 4, Informative

    For example:

    "Pedestrian Protection System (PPS)
    Radar sensors and computer-controlled braking will keep drivers safer than ever, but what about pedestrians? In case your adaptive cruise control fails to spot someone darting into the road, TRW Automotive is introducing the PPS system: if you smack a pedestrian, the hood is automatically raised to cushion his landing on the engine block. The system is already being tested, part of a drive to meet new European and Japanese regulations on pedestrian safety which are being phased in, starting with 2006 models."

    Jaguar's new XK coupe has this: http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xk/highlights/highl ights/performance.htm

    Not to mention FTTH (via Verizon), Perpendicular Storage (via Hitachi Global Storage Technologies), Mobile WiMAX (Rogers and Bell in Canada have this).

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    1. Re:2006's predictions were kind of accurate.... by Moofie · · Score: 5, Informative

      You really didn't get that right at all. The hood rises up and forward, not opening like Herbie's mouth. New European pedestrian impact standards require there to be (I think) 6" of air space between the surface skin of the car and any big, heavy component like an engine or a structural member. This system allows compliance with that requirement, and a low hood line.

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    2. Re:2006's predictions were kind of accurate.... by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

      screw that.. if I'm buying some fancy Jaguar I want a system that cushions my hood against flying pedestrians.

  3. Salor Power is not yet viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if they make theoretically impossible 100% efficient solar panel. That's not enough for me to buy a solar panel.

    However, if they can make a 5% efficient solar panel. I will buy it.

    Why? It all comes down to cost. Solar power is too expensive for me. It takes over 5 years for a solar panel to pay for itself. Also, a solar panel only lasts (the efficiency declines over time) about 20 years. The capital cost is too high.

    So companies should focus on reducing the per watt cost of solar panels. Not on improving the efficiency. If you can make solar panels for $5 per 100 watt panel .. you can bet I'll be off grid. I don't care about efficiency, I only care about cost.

    A 100% efficiency solar panel can take up 1 m^2 and generate a kilowatt, a 10% efficiency solar panel would need 10 m^2 to match that up .. but if you think about it .. the sides of the square are only 3 meters wide versus the 1 meter wide sides of the 100% efficiency panels. That's not a huge land area to sacrifice.

    1. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 5, Informative

      ? moderation?

      So in 20 years the solar panel just stops working?

      I think not. actually it's an asymptotic curve which levels out over time. Yes their peak is at teh begining, but they still produce Usable power for a long time.

      From Wiki ". (Normally, photovoltaic modules have 25 years' warranty, but they should be fully functional even after 30-40 years.)"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaics

      Also, your economics are slightly skewed
      your not paying for 100W of e-. Your paying for a system to manufacture a peak of 100W of e- during daylight hours (avg probably 50W (just guessing?))

      If it was $5 for 100W panel, e- would be close to free anyway because everyone would produce their own.

      Secondly not many man made conversions happen at 100% efficiency.

      I am not a huge alternative energy freek, but economics dictate that solar panels are allready a smart choice for home use. Admittedly, if demand for them suddenly increased, that would not be so. But assuming e- prices continue to go up, (they will, you can bet on it in the long term for at least another 20-40 years) Then you have an even more economicaly strong position. Now, it's probably not going to net you the hugest gains, but it pays for itself, and then more. It's a solid return, that lasts a long time, and is scalable, upgradeable, and virtually maintenance free.

      P.S. talking about grid tied, inverted system here. None of that silly battery stuff.

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    2. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Huh? What if the $5/watt cells are not powerful enough to power your A/C during peak hours, but the $10/watt cells are? There are a lot of factors here. You've only got so much roof space, and most people won't put them out on the lawn, even if community standards allowed that. For the A/C scenario, the 20 years during which the cells become less powerful is 20 years during which you could be growing trees to shade your house. Deciduous trees will reduce the power from the cells, but they'll reduce your cooling bill and add value to your property (assuming you live in an area where trees can grow). I think there are way too many factors you aren't taking into account. As others have pointed out, what if the cells are more efficient *and* less costly?

      FWIW, I think the cells will make more sense on the roofs of low-rise "flex office space" initially. You can't grow trees tall enough to shade a low-rise office, and nobody cares what the roof of a sprawling low-rise looks like anyway.

    3. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by rrhal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can make solar panels for $5 per 100 watt panel .. you can bet I'll be off grid. I don't care about efficiency, I only care about cost You paid ~ $10,000 to have a licenced electrician (time and materials) wire your fuse box to the grid. For that kind of money you could buy a solar system that would keep you in electricity for a long time. There would be thousands of dollars left over. If you invested that along with your monthly electric payments you would have a fund that would replace anything that failed in your home system for much of the rest of your life.

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    4. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by h2_plus_O · · Score: 2
      Aren't those notoriously inefficient?
      compared to what's already on your roof (probably an asphalt tile, which converts 0% of that energy to electricity) they're... well, infinitely more efficient.
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    5. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by Pharmboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who paid $10k for an electrian to wire you to the grid?!?

      The power company runs the power to your house for free in every state I have lived in. They will even upgrade the service from 100 amps to 200 amps for free. The only "tie in to the grid" is the connection from the meter to the mains, which are less than a meter away from each other, as required by code.

      This is a $200 job, not a $10,000 job. Everything else you are paying for, from the mains to the socket, has to be done regardless of where the power comes from. AND you can wire a brand new 2400 sq ft house for less than half of what you are claiming, sockets and switches included.

      Now, to hook your DC powered solar panels up to use in your home, you will need to either wire new DC circuits to everything or use an inverter system. To connect YOUR power to the grid to sell back/use off time, and sync the phasing, etc. you are going to spend several thousand for autoswithing, inversion, etc. It's worthwhile, but it isn't cheap to connect your OWN power source to the grid.

      Your numbers are simply out of whack and (with all due respect) not based on real world scenarios.

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    6. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by Yartrebo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Perhaps the parent is using union labor that has to be paid a living wage? I certainly would never bid $10,000 for a modern wiring job of a huge house (2,400 sq. ft. is huge in my book) if I'm paying my employees $20/hour + medical + taxes.

      If it's in new construction it's maybe doable, but as a retrofit job (which I'm assuming is the case as this is being conpared to a solar panel retrofit) it will be extremely labor intensive as old plaster has to be removed and then new plaster put over wherever you have to go into the wall.

    7. Re:Salor Power is not yet viable by Pharmboy · · Score: 2, Informative

      He was saying you pay $10k for the tie, which is absurd. I am currently rewiring a 2700sqft house, but it had only paneling and I tore it all down. Doing the work myself, so not paying but a few hundred for wire.

      Doing it to an old house wouldn't require tearing out much sheetwork or plaster if you have a clean run from the attic to the socket. Even if you did, you would just be ripping the section between two 16" studs. Not a $10k job in the worst of situations. The main point is that it is CHEAPER to tie in mains for the power company than for solar power.

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  4. Re:data cloud by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Data Cloud is a silly name for online file storage, but it is something that will be exceedingly useful. There are files storage services now, but many of them charge ten times what it would cost to back up your files locally. The innovation is that these services will finally become cheap and/or free, even for data in the hundreds of GB.

    This gives you countless advantages: You can get away without buying extra drives and implementing RAID. You are protected against fire, theft, and (possibly) accidental deletions. You don't have to open up an FTP channel on your local router. You aren't required to have a static IP for your home machine, and you don't have to always keep it running. You can take apart your local machine, rebuild it, and move things around without worrying about your files. You can backup things which were previously impractical to back up, such as ripping your entire DVD collection and storing it without extra compression. Sounds pretty darn good to me.

  5. Re:units? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats the equivalent of powering 1.3 Libraries of Congress. Or a string of AA batteries that would wrap around the library of congress 3 times!

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  6. based on last year's predictions... by deesine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I should just ignore the ones for 2007.

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  7. Who is your financial advisor? by Ogemaniac · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A five year payback is great, roughly the equivalent of 15% interest. That's far better than stocks, with far less risk. Ignoring risks and commissions, the stock market can be expected to have a 8-10 "payback time".

    You are right, though. The answer is dollars per watt. Solar is still not there yet, though it is getting close to matching peak prices in some markets (California, Japan, Germany). However, the "printed" thin-film versions are still highly inefficient compared to normal silicon-crystal systems. Their cost advantage does not make up for this.

    1. Re:Who is your financial advisor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. That just means you get your money back in five years. Investments compounding at 15% double their value in five years, not merely maintain it.

    2. Re:Who is your financial advisor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >> Well, for the sake of argument, if you say that the solar panel is still worth what you originally paid for it 5 years ago

      No. I don't think so.

    3. Re:Who is your financial advisor? by Yartrebo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Well, for the sake of argument, if you say that the solar panel is still worth what you originally paid for it 5 years ago"

      The problem is that it is now worth a small fraction of what it was worth when you bought it. Just like a car (which also has about a 20 year lifespan), it loses value quite rapidly as it becomes less efficient and closer to being a pile of junk that you have to pay to get rid of.

  8. I'm waiting for SmartDrugs by unformed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This way your dealer doesn't need to stock a variety of substances. You pop a pill, when it goes in, it connects with your system, and figures out what you really need to feel good, and then provides it.

  9. What's the business model by Chemisor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What exactly is the business model of giving people unlimited free storage? Hard disks cost money, bandwidth costs money, and most people block ads anyway, so where is the profit? I find it difficult to believe that a company can run a business like that, with the exception of those companies, like Google, who can run it at a loss and support that loss with some other line of revenue. I suppose the service would have some prestige points, but I really see no way to make money that way.

  10. #12 by FiveDollarYoBet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Duke Nukem

  11. Re:data cloud by Jerf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just did a backup of my laptop. It took 6 single-layer DVDs, which were nearly full. At 20KB/s upstream, which is about what I get (and yes that's kilobytes not bits), that's a minimum of 17 days of continuous uploading, and that's assuming Comcast doesn't shut me down first.

    Consumer bandwidth is the problem for those services, really.

  12. Also see my past comments on SOLAR by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=210156&cid=171 38018

    I also have another one somewhere here on slashdot, but couldn't find it.

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  13. Re:data cloud by throx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem with the whole "Data Cloud" thing is that the network bandwidth just isn't there yet. I get impatient enough waiting for my files from my LOCAL hard drive (which has a peak transfer of around a gigabit per second) and yet the best broadband access you can get at the moment is lucky to exceed ten megabits peak transfer (and forget sustained). It's the same issue with network backups - you just can't transfer the terabyte of information I have on my home machine to anywhere on the internet fast enough for it to be called anything even approaching useful. I'll just keep the RAID setup for now, thanks.

    Sorry, but I've been hearing about the wonders of storing all my data on some network drive for a long time now, but the storage requirements of "all my data" have been growing faster than the network bandwidth has. Until that trend is reversed, local storage is here to stay.

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  14. Home owners Associations by StupidMBA · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Even if solar becomes cheap enough, what will prevent me is my home owners association. They don't allow solar panels. Move to a neighborhood that doesn't have that rule? I would have to move to a neighborhood that doesn't have a home owners association. Yeah, good luck in finding one! Folks are so afraid of their property values being hurt, they turn into housing fascists.

    There was an article in the WSJ a couple of years ago where a guy in TX had to move out into the country so he could put solar panels on a house.

    Now, having a solar generating station out in the country would help me greatly.

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    1. Re:Home owners Associations by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if solar becomes cheap enough, what will prevent me is my home owners association. They don't allow solar panels. Move to a neighborhood that doesn't have that rule? I would have to move to a neighborhood that doesn't have a home owners association. Yeah, good luck in finding one! Folks are so afraid of their property values being hurt, they turn into housing fascists.

      Yes, this is a real problem. However, if cells become reasonably priced, and can be "printed", what would it take to "print" them onto an attractive subsurface so that it blends in nicely?

      And, lest you think this is a NEW idea, an "I'm feeling lucky" Google search led me to somebody else who already had the same idea.

      More expensive? Sure! Why else would they go to the extra effort? But it's at least POSSIBLE.

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  15. Re:units? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many times do I have to tell you people? Hogsheads!

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  16. Re:smart pills by EMeta · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So large of a percentage of medical equipment is disposable (for hygine, of course, but man do they make a whole lot of waste), that I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was the same--at least in mostly developed nations. If you make them disposable you also needn't make them big enough to be recharged (or dissasembled for battery replacement, etc.) or carry any more charge than necessary for one trip.

    Combine that with its makers being able to sell more & it still being a cheaper prospect for many HMO's than the invasive surgery--no way these things won't be disposable.

  17. What about 2006? by DaveWick79 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I didn't see anything on the 2006 list that became a buzzword in 2006 - maybe they will in 2007, who knows. Only two on the list, Fiber to Home and IP Television, have made much news. There's a few obscure technologies that people will never care to know the name of, and the rest simply haven't come about. For 2007, how long will we be waiting for these? And why is Body Area Network on the list, a mere repeat of things that didn't make it to prime time in 2006 and is admittedly something they don't think will become widely manufactured or even accepted. In other words, these lists are a total washout.

    1. Re:What about 2006? by BuddyJesus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't see anything on the 2006 list that became a buzzword in 2006 - maybe they will in 2007, who knows.

      I dunno, Ajax was on that list, and it became pretty big.

  18. Short Term Impacts? by pseudorand · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, while the US is facing terrorism that we fund ourselves via our addiction to foreign oil, the president is going on and on about switchgrass, and the entire world may be facing declining oil production while demand continues to increas, technologies that turn trash into power, cheaper solar pannels, and more secure passports will have a LOW impact? At the same time TV and file sharing over the internet, both problems we already have perfectly good solutions for (Cable, Satellite, movie rental stors, Netflicks, HTTP/FTP protocols) will have a HIGH impact? Something just doesn't add up.

  19. Body Area Networks by VoidEngineer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work at a hospital, and I'll vouch that we're already investigating body area networks. Patient monitoring, obviously, is the big one; but we're also very interested in the cost savings of a good RFID sponge count system. After each surgery procedure, some poor shlep has to count through all the sponges and make sure that the count matches up with the number used. And if we're short a sponge or two, then we have to take an x-ray of that patient to see if something was left inside of them. And if something *was*, well, obviously it needs to be removed, necessitating more surgery, and another sponge count.... We're hoping that RFID/wireless chips are going to solve this problem. Also coming down the research pipe, as I understand, are a variety of wireless enabled surgical robots that can crawl the stomach and intestines and do various repair work, and RFID/wireless enabled aneurysm clips and pacemakers to warn against putting patients into MRI fields. Obviously, all vital sign monitoring equipment is getting ready to be put on the networks, which is going to be huge, especially with our associated nursing homes and the aging baby boomer population.

  20. Re:Sailor Power is not yet viable by coldsleep · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you kidding me? There's no way they can make sailor power more efficient. It's been in use for thousands of years, and it's not going away any time soon.

  21. Re:smart pills by whargoul · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm amazed these things are just coming around now. I remember seeing them years ago on some disconvery channel show.

    Pretty neat things though.. but I don't envy those who 'recover' the pills after theyve passed through someone. I don't imagine these are "recovered", but can you imagine the conversation in the doctors office when presented with one of these?

    Doctor: Well sir, you have 2 options.
    Doctor: We can give you this brand new SmartPill for $500
    Doctor: or you can take this recycled SmartPill we just "recovered" from an elderly gentleman with chronic diarrhea for $7.50
    Patient: uh...I'll take the new one, thanks.
  22. Re:data cloud by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Large user created data: photos and home movies.

    A high percentage of people will have high resolution digital photos. Some users will have digital camcorders. A few will have 300 hours of their kids filmed on HD digital camcorders, which would be terabytes of data.

    And practically, there is a need to back up one's CDs and DVDs, since if something happens to them, there's no other way to get them back short of repurchasing.

  23. An example: Amazon S3 by Gordo_1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amazon's simple storage service (S3) basically gives you access to a virtually unlimited supply of highly redundant data storage for pennies a month ($.20/gig transferred, $.15/gig stored... I believe). There is no minimum or fixed start-up costs and you only pay for what you use. This is much cheaper to startup than buying HDs for performance-insensitive large blobs of data, since you don't have to pay for power supply, case, drives, motherboards, cpu, memory or ongoing electrical costs. It's also a 100% quieter than running an extra storage server in your apartment. Sure, you can't stream HD video off of this thing, but it definitely has its uses.

    Last month I backed up all my important financial and other data completely encrypted and lot more secure than I could have doen it locally. I conveniently mapped S3 to a drive letter on my local system so most programs can access it without even knowing what's going on. I mapped my Roboform password data to the drive, so I can access the same set of data files from multiple places without having to remember to always carry along a USB key. I even tried storing my Firefox profile there... though it technically worked, the problem is that Firefox accesses like a hundred files every time it starts up, and file access latency was too high to make this workable. What you use it for is really left up to your imagination. Anyway, all told, it cost me $.12 for the month.

    You need three things to make this work for you:
    1. An amazon S3 account
    2. An online storage client that supports S3 (I use the free Jungledisk program, but there are several free clients available for Win/Mac/Linux)
    3. Optionally (for Win32 users), a utility that can map webDAV drives to a physical drive letter. I use Webdrive.

    1. Re:An example: Amazon S3 by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is a fine solution for storing a gig or two of data, but let's say you need to store 300 GB. For this example, we upload the data once, download or update it an average of three times per byte, and store it for two years:

      300*(.20 * 4 + .15 * 24) = $1,320

      I don't see how that's a reasonable rate. A 300 GB drive goes for about $100 these days. Also, compare this to Dreamhost's web hosting plan. There you can get the "Code Monster" plan which gives you 400GB of storage, 4TB transfer per month, not to mention an entire web hosting package. If you pay for 2 years up front, it costs $382. That's much cheaper and you're getting much more bandwidth usage.

      Now imagine if you used all that storage and bandwidth with S3:

      4000 * .20 * 24 + 400 * .15 * 24 = $20,640

      Yikes! Amazon's prices seem to have little relation to the real cost of hosting and transfering data. (Disclaimer: I'm a Dreamhost customer but I have no other interest in their company.)

  24. No need to store byproducts? by DarthStrydre · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though of course the fly ash and the tons of debris produced by coal burners is more radioactive, per energy produced, than that from a nuclear plant. Nuke plants are just generally about a million times less entropic in their output of nuclear materials, allowing for convenient disposal, as soon as politicians remove heads from tails.

      - Strydre

  25. In Summary by Shadyman · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those of us who don't want to RTFA, (in no particular order):

    10) Bendable Concrete
    9) PRAM (Phase-Change Random Access Memory)
    8) Printed Solar Panels
    7) Passport Hacking
    6) Vehicle Infrastructure Integration
    5) Body Area Network
    4) Plasma Arc Gasification
    3) VoN (Video on the Net)
    2) Smart Pills
    1) Data Cloud

    I guess when #3 comes about, we will be living in the "VoN Age"?

  26. Re:I just love these feel good tech articles. by rujholla · · Score: 3, Informative
    Blah coal is relatively safe???
    But the official figures on the cost of coal don't tell the whole story. Coal is a killer: a more profligate one than you would expect. And it maintains a lethal efficacy across its entire lifecycle. One of the main objections held against nuclear power is its potential to take lives in the event of a reactor meltdown, such as occurred at Chernobyl in 1986. While such threats are real for conventional reactors, the fact remains that nuclear power - over the 55 years since it first generated electricity in 1951 - has caused only a fraction of the deaths coal causes every week. Take coal mining, which kills more than 10,000 people a year. Admittedly, a startling proportion of these deaths occur in mines in China and the developing world, where safety conditions are reminiscent of the preunionised days of the early 20th century in the United States. But it still kills in wealthy countries; witness the death of 18 miners in West Virginia, USA, earlier this year. But coal deaths don't just come from mining; they come from burning it. The Earth Policy Institute in Washington DC - a nonprofit research group founded by influential environmental analyst Lester R. Brown - estimates that air pollution from coal-fired power plants causes 23,600 U.S. deaths per year. It's also responsible for 554,000 asthma attacks, 16,200 cases of chronic bronchitis, and 38,200 non-fatal heart attacks annually. The U.S. health bill from coal use could be up to US$160 billion annually, says the institute. Coal is also radioactive: most coal is laced with traces of a wide range of other elements, including radioactive isotopes such as uranium and thorium, and their decay products, radium and radon. Some of the lighter radioactive particles, such as radon gas, are shed into the atmosphere during combustion, but the majority remain in the waste product - coal ash. People can be exposed to its radiation when coal ash is stored or transported from the power plant or used in manufacture of concrete. And there are far less precautions taken to prevent radiation escaping from coal ash than from even low-level nuclear waste. In fact, the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the U.S. estimates the amount of exposure to radiation from living near a coal-fired power plant could be several times higher than living a comparable distance from a nuclear reactor. Then there are the deaths that are likely to occur from falling crop yields, more intense flooding and the displacement of coastal communities which are all predicted to ensue from global warming and rising oceans. There's so much heat already trapped in the atmosphere from a century of greenhouse gases that some of these effects are likely to occur even if all coal-fired power plants were closed tomorrow. Whichever way you look at it, coal is not the smartest form of energy.
    http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/348/

    Nuclear is increasingly the only quickly viable alternative to fossil fuel generation of power. I'd encourage all to read the article its a very interesting breakdown of possible energy generation sources.

  27. you have zero proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    What's the cost of your electricity in 20 years? Oh, you have no idea? Correct. So how do you know whether or not it's cost effective?

    When you can show the lads-point to a link-with your local electricity supplier that offers a 20 year pricing contract, then you can make such a statement. Until then, you have absolutely no data to assert your assumption and cult-like belief system, ie, it's time to dump "junk economic science".

      Now, I can't assert anything either, but I can say that solar bought today has a verifiable fixed price, you can get ten year warranties on batteries and 20-30 years on panels, and odds are the normal electric bill will always be going up in cost,by the charged kilowatt hour. See, I admit I don't actually know, but run the odds around in your brain, do you really believe it is going to be either exactly the same as you pay now or actually get cheaper from your local electrico? Or do you think "energy" in all its forms will just be rising dramatically in cost?

        Now I read a lot of energy news, and I'll tell you this, you ain't seen nuthin yet like the demands coming from the developing world within the next decade, and, if it is fuel derived-any brand fuel-costs are going to be going up, from sheer market pressures. There just slap doesn't exist the reserves in the next 20 years to fit that demand coming, especially from reserves that are already gone now, and even nuclear power has never been any way close to being as cheap as they always claimed, in fact, just check the rates anyplace where it is used extensively now, barely better cost-wise than coal, and actually more expensive than natural gas.

    Solar is our only practical fusion power, something that joe sixpack to joe big company can actually get their hands on and *use*, and it will be that way for decades to come. Coal has giant environmental and health impacts, which if you add those into what electricity costs, would probably double it right today, just like if you add in what having to have some huge military keep the oil flowing from ovewrseas (and that barely) really means your gallon of gas is a lot higher, they just hide it with more junk economic science and astroturfing FUD..

        We just don't have a lot more in the way of practical, deployable options right now,solar and wind power are at the top of the "we got it-let's use it" pile of the alternatives, so the sooner we start adopting, the faster we can get economies of scale going. Waiting until it is cheap enough by some vague junk economic science forumla is the same as waiting for cars to achieve 250 MPG before you buy one, you'll be a pedestrian for a long long time. It's better to support what we have now, with our wallet voting, if we want that tech to get better in the future.

          Now I will agree that "cheaper by the watt and who cares about the size" is a completely valid option,I would actually thow some cash at that (I have thrown cash at normal PV now) but here's something else-there's no law says you have to immediately go from grid suplied to totally solar powered in one step. You can start with just running a few things around your house, then work your way up as the tech gets better and more affordable. This way the solar companies make some money, keep doing research, more and better factories are built,stuff gets better, and etc.. That has worked with any number of other technologies, look at computers and just the last ten years for example, but the nice machines we have now with the much better pricing only happened because people bought computers on a large scale ten years ago.

    We are part of the problem, or part of the solution, that's the only choices we have right now.

  28. nuclear is inevitable! by John+Sokol · · Score: 2, Informative


      No nuclear is not inevitable... Using things like the Nanosolar solar cells or one of many other promising alternate power systems.
        Solar, Wind, wave, geothermal, Bio-fuels etc, it possible to recharge your electric car without Coal, oil or Natural gas.

        Actually for $30K you can power your whole house just fine off the grid even sell back electricity to power your neighbors and make money from the power companies.

      So with an electric car, you'd just get that charged at home for free also without polution...

      Now with home prices at $500K for a shack here is California what's another $30K for Solar Panels.

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  29. Re:What if the cost is almost nothing? by h2_plus_O · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Heck, it's hard to argue against buying solar panels now. If they pay for themselves in 5 years, as has been suggested upthread, and they have a functional lifespan of > 25 years, you could buy >25 years' worth of electricity for the price of 5 years' electricity. The only 'risks', really are: a) what if the price of electricity goes down? and b) what if the price of solar panels (cost:watt) goes down?

    If solar panels paid for themselves in 6 months, I'd cover my whole roof with them, sell my cars and buy cars that can run on electricity, convert my gas furnace and hot water heater to run on electricity... and I'd give my oil, coal, and gas-burning brethren unending hell until they did the same. If solar panels were cheap enough to pay for themselves in 6 months, it would make sense for everybody to do it- not only for environmental reasons, but also for economical ones.

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  30. Bendable concrete isn't new by Thornae · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My Grandfather was an expert on concrete, especially pre-stressed concrete. One of his party tricks was to show off a piece of thin, flat concrete, slightly larger than a standard ruler, then bend it in an arc.

    He'd created this by stretching a thin wire with weights along a form, then pouring the concrete. Once the concrete was set, he removed the weights, which caused the wire to shrink, compressing the concrete and rendering it much more flexible.

    Admittedly, they're actually talking about a different technology in the article, but they make it sound like no-one's ever made bendable concrete before.

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  31. Re:units? by swordfishBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I assume from the title you think there's something wrong with the units used. They didn't say "430MW/year".
    If you make a 43W cell, and you can make 10,000,000 of them in 12 months, then you can make 430MW worth of cells in a year. Units are ok, just a question of whether they have the technology and resources to achieve it.

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  32. Yes it is. by tygerstripes · · Score: 2, Informative
    You're right, this isn't the same tech at all. What your grandfather demonstrated was an extreme example (ie very thin) of a well-established structural technology - pre-stressed steel-reinforced concrete. Putting the steel members of a beam under strain before pouring in the magic-mix is very, very widely used in the construction industry.

    The reason this allowed the beam your grandfather manufactured to be so flexible is that it was so thin - basically a steel member with a coating of concrete (probably with a heavy dose of admixture to increase the concrete's plasticity). Attempting to apply the same approach to a concreate beam of appreciable scale would result in something that basically lacked the compressive strength or tortional rigidity for which it had been manufactured (the tensile strength would be unaffected as this essentially comes from the steel reinforcements in any case). This new technology allows you to fabricate a decent-sized beam of appreciable strength which nevertheless does not crack or spall when forced into flexure, but bends a little instead.

    This will make a huge difference in the construction industry where serious over-stresses are a possibility (earth-quakes, land slippage, explosion risks). The one disadvantage I envisage is that - more often than you'd like to know - miscalculations or unaccounted stress factors can lead to the failure of structures over time, and while this is usually noticed and corrected thanks to stress cracks in rigid concrete members, flexible concrete will probably not give you the same warnings before it fails. This would need to be offset by the use of stress-monitoring and displacement checks such as are used in large bridges atm.

    Of course, the focus this will bring to dynamic structural calculations means that Civ Eng undergraduates are going to drop out in their first year instead of their third...

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