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Microsoft Squeezes Win2000 Users

darkonc writes "InformationWeek has a story on how Microsoft is squeezing Windows 2000 users as Vista and Office 2007 are being released. While some new software is legitimately unable to run on Windows 2000, other software (like MS's anti-spyware product) will install and run flawlessly — but only if you remove an explicit check for Windows 2000 in the installer." The article notes that other vendors, for example Sun, have more liberal and flexible support policies for legacy products.

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  1. Win2000 rules by LittleImp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I haven't tried Vista yet, but at work I only use Windows 2000. I think it's much faster and even more stable than XP. At least when I open up the Task Manager on XP, every Task uses at least 5MB of RAM, while on 2k most of the Tasks use less than 1MB. I bet upgrading to Vista means also a hardware update for most people, so maybe some will switch to an open source alternative.

    1. Re:Win2000 rules by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its not just vista.

      Every recent MS product has just felt *slow*.
      Its like outlook and office in general, the interface looks nice and logical, but it has lost its snappiness.
      Actions involving a full page refresh appear like a web page.
      Clicking between folders in Outlook leaves the old mail on screen briefly and things just aren't better.

      I was evaluating visual studio .net again this week and whilst it might technically do everything it needs to, its slower than VS 6 at most things.
      My colleagues think I should live on oldversion.com, but I just don't like the direction MS has taken.

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  2. Windows 2000 works *reasonably* well for me ... by rubicon7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... and we mustn't have that!

    Seriously, I run win2k(sp4) on an old PIII 600 with 128 megs of RAM. It does what I need it to do, if only grudgingly. Why would I "upgrade" to Vista, when I've never had any intention on "upgrading" to XP, which probably would refuse to work with my hardware anyway? (dunno really, haven't checked)

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  3. I walked away from Activation by Geof · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the only people still stuck on Windows 2000 are paranoid weirdos afraid of Microsoft activation and are probably stealing their licenses anyway

    I was an MSDN Universal subscriber and Windows developer when XP came out, so I had 10 legit XP licenses. But I had no interest in being an early adopter setting a precedent for activation. Nor, now that they don't allow people to take their copy of the OS with them when they upgrade the machine, did I want to further lock myself into system whose costs increase while my freedoms decrease. I suppose I could have planned on piracy, but I have the odd conviction (one apparently not shared by a whole lot of companies) that it's unethical to make money by breaking the rules.

    I stayed with Win2k, moved my data away from Office and into open formats (mbox, Open Office), turned my attention towards FOSS development, and finally switched to Mac. Incidentally, the Mac is very pretty, but I would have been fine with W2K's "hideous" look. Apple's no saint; someday I expect I will similarly have to make the shift to Linux.

    Paranoid? No. I just want control of my computer and my data, and I don't want my money to encourage schemes like DRM which erode my freedom and that of others.

  4. Solaris 2.6 support? by larien · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Hrm, article is inaccurate:
    (Sun) is actually still supporting users of version 2.6. ... the operating system is fully supported through 2007
    Not according to Sun's own website where support ended in July. We've actually called up Sun and they refused the call because 2.6 was out of support.

    That said, 2.6 is a pretty old release and we're overdue doing an upgrade on it, but it's inaccurate to say Sun still support it. Added to that, there are a number of Sun Alerts which come out and say that older versions aren't being evaluated for certain bugs.

  5. So much for the charitable theory by toby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But Microsoft does, through their announced product lifecycle, promise to deliver security and other fixes for a period of up to 10 years beyond "general availability" (NOT date of license purchase, a nice loophole penalising customers who buy late in the lifecycle). According to that page, Business customers can expect security updates through 2010. Perhaps they don't classify Spyware as a security issue (would explain a lot).

    Al Capone put it best. You can get more upgrades bought with flashy launch hype and a gun, than just flashy launch hype.

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  6. Re:Netcraft confirms it: Windows 2000 is dead. by tilandal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    90% of computers in the business world don't need anything better then Windows 2000. Heck, Most business computers would be fine running Windows NT. Most PC's in the business world are set up to do basic data entry and retrieval and don't need to do anything else. The Bank teller doesn't need DirectX 10. The call center worker doesn't need an advanced GUI. The Mechanic doesn't need a Quad core CPU. What businesses do need is a reliable long term solution that runs with minimal trouble.

  7. Re:Netcraft confirms it: Windows 2000 is dead. by ci4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    E&S Glaze OpenGL benchmark is about twice as fast on Vista with classic theme, compared to the default Aero. This is on a reasonable dual Opteron system with 4GB memory and Quadro FX560 graphics card (and yes, build 6000 with the currently available NVidia driver).

    The first thing I do on Vista is switch to classic (the second being turn off the side bar forever). I wonder if Microsoft have ever heard that their OS is being used by real people to run CAD/CAM applications... not that they want it, but they are forced to.

    Will try the same this week with a FireGL card to see if ATI are better.

  8. Vista Upgrade Advisor by almclean · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If Microsoft wants people to upgrade from Windows 2000 to Vista then why doesn't the Vista Upgrade Advisor http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upg radeadvisor/default.mspx run under Windows 2000?

  9. It makes perfect business sense by Luscious868 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It makes perfect business sense for Microsoft to produce versions of their software that requires new hardware or hardware upgrades to get acceptable performance. New hardware generally equals new OEM Microsoft licenses. Think about it. To the average consumer if you've got to upgrade your processor, motherboard, RAM and/or hard drive you might as well buy a new system and that means you're probably going to be paying the Microsoft tax. It's very much in Microsoft's interest to require you to upgrade your hardware to run the latest version of their products. It's no accident and by now no one should be naive enough to chalk it up to bad coding. It's done on purpose and for very sound business rea$ons...

    1. Re:It makes perfect business sense by Random+Destruction · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If microsoft is going out of their way to make everything slow, then why isn't linux SIGNIFICANTLY faster?

      Not a troll, I only run linux and hate windows, but I dont see the logic in your statement.

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    2. Re:It makes perfect business sense by inode_buddha · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "If microsoft is going out of their way to make everything slow, then why isn't linux SIGNIFICANTLY faster?"

      It is. This 4-year-old P3 (Fedora Core 6) box is easily keeping up with my dad's brand-new Dell/XP setup. Both boxes are fully loaded with *everything*, both hardware and software. If I want to make it really snappy, I can do some re-compiling and just install only the stuff I use. I doubt that most MS users can say that.

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    3. Re:It makes perfect business sense by Spikeles · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know about JIT, and if you did, you'd also know that your statement isn't quite true. It is almost never compiled prior to the FIRST execution, usually it has to run though the same code about 2000+ times before it gets compiled. Before those 2000 times are up though it is running as byte code ( which is the whole point of the HotSpot compiler). I played with the Java VM flags once and told it to compile every method on it's first run and you know what happened? It sat there for 5minutes compiling before it even brought up the main window. Every Java program you run is being run as mixed byte-interpreted and JIT compiled code. As for .NET i must confess that i don't have much experience with it and was just blindly comparing it with Java, i'll go do some more research before i make such comments again.

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