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BBC Episodes Legally Available Via Peer To Peer

Kript writes "According to the BBC they are going to make a number of their shows available on the Azureus network. A number of old favorites will be available such as Red Dwarf, Doctor Who and even Little Britain."

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  1. In typical Slashdot fashion... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have not RTFA. I'm wondering if Warner Home Video will lay the hammer down on me if I want to watch Red Dwarf in this manner...being in the U.S. and Warner Home Video being the U.S. distributor of many BBC programs.

    1. Re:In typical Slashdot fashion... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative
      I'm wondering if Warner Home Video will lay the hammer down on me if I want to watch Red Dwarf in this manner...being in the U.S. and Warner Home Video being the U.S. distributor of many BBC programs.

      You do not have an agreement with Warner not to purchase Red Dwarf from another source. If the beeb has an agreement with them not to distribute it to you, then they have something to talk about, but it doesn't involve you.

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    2. Re:In typical Slashdot fashion... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful
      There is no difference between this and downloading Warner's shows off non BBC torrent site.

      The difference is that it's a legally acquired, licensed download approved by the BBC.

      Try to RTFA next time and the student will be enlightened.

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    3. Re:In typical Slashdot fashion... by rtyall · · Score: 2

      Although it says that Zudeo can offer HD content, it doesn't say that the BBC programs will be in HD, it says they will release high quality versions.
      Besides, as Red Dwarf was filmed in traditional film (AFAIK 35mm, seversal goog), it wouldn't be too tricky to remaster it in HD. The problem there would not be the original film quality, but the production quality of the program, effects and camerawork, meaning you've just got an expensive remake of a man in a cheap costume that's not in proper focus.

  2. Misleading Headline & Summary by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    It won't be available for free on Azureus, it will be a DRM-infested pay-download on Azureus' pay service, Zudeo, and they haven't even decided what they're charging.

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    1. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's also only available in the US. Those of us in the UK, who are paying £130 to the BBC each year and funded many of these programs when they were originally made would quite like to be able to download them too, especially since the BBC Charter says they must do whatever they can to make their material available to the British public...

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    2. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may not be what you hoped reading the headline but it's far from misleading. The headline and article neither made mention of the file format of the download nor discussed the how free the download would be. It also didn't mention availability. You read too much into the summary and now you're mad at Slashdot that ideas you added on your own aren't available. The summary is very short on detail but the detail it provides is correct.

    3. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by eln · · Score: 5, Insightful

      p2p (and Bittorrent, specifically) solves a major bandwidth issue for content distribution.

      Yah, it solves the issue of media companies who want to charge money for content but don't want to pay for the distribution of that content. If I purchase a DVD, I am paying for the content, and the distribution of that content (getting the DVD to the store so I can purchase it) is paid by the content provider (albeit rolled into the cost of the DVD). Now, thanks to P2P I can pay the same price for the same content, only this time without a physical copy, and I have to pay for the distribution (bandwidth) myself. How is that a good deal?

      If they want to provide this content at a discount that reflects the fact that they're getting distribution of their product for free, then maybe it would be a good deal. As it is now, though, it's just content providers getting something for nothing.

    4. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by orasio · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or maybe it just lowers the barrier to entry of the market.
      Right now the money makers are distributors. And you get the to choose your stuff stuff mostly from distributors (you buy channel packages).
      With this kind of deal, other content providers who have no deals with big distributors could enter the game, and the competition could be over content, and maybe price, and not over distribution channels. It could be a nice thing for the guy who actually buys the stuff.

    5. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by illegalcortex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the BBC Charter says they must do whatever they can to make their material available to the British public

      Does it say "for free"? Not flaming you, just curious. Or at least, does it say "at no additional cost other than your license"? I'm also curious as to how this relates to BBC shows that air in the US on public TV at a later time. For example, they air tons of old British comedies (including that hilarious EastEnders show) that are several years out of date. Am I right in guessing these episodes aren't currently available in the UK? I wonder how that fits with the aforementioned duty.

    6. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Patience, dear boy, patience :)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPlayer

      It IS coming - just rather slowly. It's shame that it is going to be WMP based DRM, but you have to appease the Indies/Film companies, etc, somehow.

      There is going to be the Open Archive some time next year too, with old BBC content being brought online.

      Next year is going to be a BIG year for the BBC online, should all go well. One shouldn't underestimate the complexities of a project such as iPlayer - it's probably the biggest Internet based software project in the UK at the moment, and the BBC really has to deliver correctly first time, otherwise there will (rightly) be uproar from the license fee payer.

      But hey, it's all a step in the right direction!

    7. Re:Misleading Headline & Summary by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, so this isn't uprecendented.

      My main point is that there is no way for them to make the programs available to you that doesn't cost them money. This is especially true for older programs. They have to get them from the old tapes and such and convert and encode them. Then they have to distribute them somehow. Even if they used p2p, they would take a hit from being the initial seeder. Someone would need to manage all this, and IT stuff isn't cheap. So they would have to get money for this from somewhere. What are their sources of money? 1) The TV license, 2) govt money, 3) money from doing deals where people pay to see BBC programs. Both 1 and 2 are going to be coming out of the pocket of UK citizens. So you'll really just be paying to watch anyway. So they pursue #3. Assumedly, the money that is made from this is what causes your TV license to be the price it is. Or does the BBC make a profit that goes to shareholders? If not, then I would think adding new costs for making shows available to the UK for "free" would just increase the license price. And as others have pointed out, if they start putting stuff out for p2p, it makes it more likely that these files will be redistributed worldwide, eroding their ability to make deals for #3, which would think decrease their money and raise your TV license again.

      So while I wish they would make all their shows available on p2p for free with no DRM for anyone to download, I think the reality is that if this happens, it will come out of your pocket.

  3. Good for the US by smallfries · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But this is not what they promised to do. As a British Licensefee payer I expect them to open up their content on UK filesharing networks, as they promised. Offering DRM'd content to overseas markets is not part of their charter. Making money should be a secondary concern to their primary purpose - delivering good tv to a British audience.

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    1. Re:Good for the US by camperdave · · Score: 2, Funny

      I live in a constitutional monarchy and a Commonwealth Realm, with Queen Elizabeth II as the reigning monarch. As such, she is our head of state as much as she is yours. Since the BBC derives its charter through her authority, and since her authority extends to my country, I expect the BBC to deliver good British TV to this side of the pond as well.

      We could send you episodes of Corner Gas, Holmes on Homes, and Anne of Green Gables, if you wish.

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    2. Re:Good for the US by D-Cypell · · Score: 2, Funny

      My current favorite is Catherine Tate. Yes, she's all over Youtube

      What a fucking liberty!!!

  4. That's ok though by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I already have all Red Dwarf seasons on DVD, not that expensive and more than worth it :)
    But that's only my opinion.

    Smeghead ;)

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  5. It's a trap! by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't have a TV license. I regularly get threatening letters from the collections agency asking me to turn myself in for my heinous crime.

    They got so bad at one point that I actually wrote to them refusing to partake in any further correspondence until they sent me a civil letter. They wrote back - with a threat about how large the fine will be when they haul me in.

    The fun part? I don't have a television. But I'm not telling them that until they ask politely. Yes, it's probably stupid and it's certainly obstinate but I refuse to be intimidated.

    Now, of course, with them making a move like this I actually feel like I might *want* to give them money. It's a pretty cool thing to do and I'm proud of the BBC for being forward looking and generally a great service. So that's what this is all about folks. They are just trying to shame me into paying up. The worked out what my buttons were and pushed them. As soon as I hand over the cash, the whole thing will go away. It's a freaking trap I tell you.

    Fortunately for all of you I'm holding out for them to switch to ogg for their radio streams before I buy a TV license. You should be safe to enjoy this content for another couple of decades. My present to all of you! /tinfoilhat

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    1. Re:It's a trap! by Nuskrad · · Score: 4, Informative

      A yearly payment that allows you to operate a TV in a premises. The costs are used to pay for BBC TV, Radio and Interactive services.

    2. Re:It's a trap! by Feanturi · · Score: 5, Funny

      what the hell is a TV license?

      It's an initiative geared to solving the problem of stray televisions wandering the streets. Apparently they cause a lot of traffic congestion, that's why you have to pay to drive in downtown London. They also like to pee on some guy named Lou. Weirdos.

    3. Re:It's a trap! by ethanms · · Score: 2, Informative
      For those of us in parts of the world unfamiliar w/ the UK's practices:

      http://www.taith.org.uk/tv/newapproach.htm (an interesting letter w/ commentary)

      http://www.marmalade.net/lime/#people (personal accounts of dealing w/ the licensing)

      Apparently these letters aren't from the BBC anymore, it's from a form of collections/enforcement agency that the BBC contracts... hired goons--

      "As a result of The Broadcast Act 1990, the BBC were made responsible for licence administration. TV Licensing is a trading name used by entities contracted by the Licensing Authority (the BBC) to administer the collection of television licence fees and enforcement of the television licensing system. The majority of the administration of TV Licensing is contracted to Capita Business Services Ltd, with the administration of cash easy payment schemes contracted to Revenue Management Services Ltd, and marketing and public relations activities contracted to the AMV Consortium." http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/aboutus/index.jsp
    4. Re:It's a trap! by CormacJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      My dad had a long running war of letters with the licensing authority because they didn't do their research. My grandmother how lived in the house bought the TV license under her name. My dad rented the TV. At some point they did a cross check and found that while my dad was responsible for have a TV there was no TV license in his name.

      They sent him a form letter. He checked that we had a TV license and ignored it.

      They send him a follow up form letter with the section about really needing a TV license circled. He wrote "Thats correct" and send it back to the sender.

      They sent him a more strongly worded letter. The section about legal action was circled and marked "Please read". He checkmarked it, wrote "have read" and sent it back to them.

      They then sent him a letter from a lawyer, full of legalese. He was writing "do your worst" on this when my mum caught him and took the letter away and made a phone call to sort it out.

      He was all prepared to have them drag him into court and he would have taken my grandmother out to the town for a day out, taken her into the court and made her produce the license, then pointed out that the code (at the time) said "licensed at this address". They had never checked to see if the address was licensed.

  6. Matching legal to reality by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This would be the only way to actually deal with torrents. They're here, and they're here to stay. If they crack down on torrent sites, like they try now, something new will come into existance, if nothing else, people will post torrent hashes on usenet. It's not like you could technically stop the distribution of content.

    The only way to really deal with it is to give it some leeway while trying to make some revenue, somehow, out of it all. The fact that those files will be tacked down with DRM will surely keep this from flying, but generally the idea is a good one. It could've been done with a "members only" torrent tracker (where you gotta pay the BBC to become a member), with the torrent info only available on their tracker.

    THEN it is possible to crack down on sites offering that torrent, too, because the torrent hash itself is owned by the BBC, not by someone who just "allows" others to use it. It's their 'content', so to speak.

    Yes, that could've been a success. Devaluating it by adding enough DRM to weigh it down certainly doesn't help it.

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  7. For a moment I thought the BBC had a clue... by paol · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The titles will be protected by digital rights management software to prevent the programmes being traded illegally on the internet."

    ...no, I guess not. And it goes without saying that whatever stupid DRM format they come up with will only run on windows, so I couldn't use it even if I wanted to. Back to getting BBC shows from emule for me (got to get that Top Gear fix :)

  8. Re:Why not iTunes Store? by laffer1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The new problem is how much software can I possibly install to watch content? I happen to use iTunes so that I can watch content on my Mac and PC. I already find it inconvenient that I can not watch content in an open source operating system. Now I'm supposed to add additional bloat to my Windows install for Amazon's service, iTunes, this Azerus pay service, along with any other vendor entering the ring. I usually watch DVDs on my PC anyway so these download services are great in one sense. I no longer have to go to the store or buy and wait. (well download time) I don't have a problem with DRM that protects content in itself, but I do have a problem with the lack of versatility in devices and operating systems which can PLAY this content.

    I suppose we should just accept that not everyone likes iTunes. If you don't like windows or own a Mac, it would be rather inconvenient. Its one of the many hurdles I face with MidnightBSD and I'm sure the Linux community feels the same way.

    Still it is nice they are distributing content.

    What we really need are some new laws that force companies to make their content available on multiple services so that there isn't a monopoly. This would also have the benefit of possibly putting it into different DRM formats which might be more acceptable to some. Imagine if only walmart sold movies. That's what we get now. Amazon sells star trek episodes, but Apple does not. Apple has some exclusive content on iTunes that amazon does not have. (unbox) More competition *could* keep content prices low.

  9. Re:Fergit it twits by cliffski · · Score: 2

    Wow, such hostility. Are you british and upset that your licence fee funded the shows and you should have them free? or non british, and just reckon you were born with the right to have them for free anyway, while us lot pay for it?

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  10. Re:this is a non-starter by cliffski · · Score: 4, Funny

    its the bbc website. i'm glad they use british english. Can you please correct all your american websites that can't spell colour.
    Cheers,

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  11. Re:Balls of Steel by jonnyelectronic · · Score: 2, Informative

    While that may have come from the UK, it did not come from the BBC.

  12. Re:Count your blessings by superdude72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You must have missed the first adjective in the phrase current American television.

    The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, the Sopranos, Battlestar Galactica, Good Eats...

    These are just some that I like. Others could probably name a dozen more of comparable quality. Granted, Deadwood and the Sopranos will be off the air soon. Also granted, the cable subscription required to obtain these legally from basic cable + premium cable (HBO) costs at least 6 times the BBC license fee.

    Sadly, the closest US-equivalent to the BBC news is... BBC news. It's why we're going to hell in a handbasket. Even NPR doesn't compare. It doesn't do much for the credibility of a news organization when they have to begin and end each broadcast with an advertisement from their underwriters in agribusiness, defense contracting, and charitable trusts managed by the heirs of deceased robber barons.

  13. cracking zudeo's torrent wrapping by speculatrix · · Score: 3, Informative

    it took me just a few minutes of guesswork to avoid having to use the zudeo software at all; I didn't install it. When you click to download, it saves a .jnlp file which is just an XML wrapper around a URL containing a torrent, then download the torrent and open it with a torrent downloader (shareaza will do nicely). It will save a file called .hdmov, which you just rename so it will open with Quicktime.

    Thus who needs zudeo's spyware?

  14. Double payment?? by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 2, Insightful


    "now they've sold it to be shown on a different channel which we have to pay to receive. Bastards."

    ok, so you got to see it a few times for free (subject to licence fee) and now the BBC is trying to sell it to the rest of the world and commercial networks so they can bring in more cash to fund programming.

    Would you rather they left it in a basement and just charged more for the licence fee?

  15. Re:Count your blessings by The+Benefactor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't Rome co-produced by the BBC and HBO?

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