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Judge Rules Shared Files Folder Not Enough

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In UMG v. Lindor, Judge David G. Trager rejected Ms. Lindor's objection to a Magistrate's Report, in which Ms. Lindor complained that the Report could be read to imply that 'the mere presence of a shared files folder on an individual's computer would ... satisfy the requirements of 17 USC 106(3)', saying that the Report of Magistrate Robert M. Levy could not be so read, since '[t]he report and recommendation does not comment on whether or not the mere presence of a shared files folder satisfies 17 USC 106(3). Instead, it makes clear that plaintiffs will have the burden of proving actual sharing. [Report and Recommendation, at 5] ('At trial, plaintiffs will have the burden of proving by a preponderance of the evidence that defendant did indeed infringe plaintiff's copyrights by convincing the fact-finder, based on the evidence plaintiffs have gathered, that defendant actually shared sound files belonging to plaintiffs.') (emphasis added)'"

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  1. Makes sense... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but I doubt it makes for much of a defense. To imply that "shared files" == infringement would criminalize everything from SMB shares to god knows what. I expect in practise this just means they'll have to explain how it applies in a specific case. The "You can't prove anyone downloaded from me, even though it's advertised through file searches and I'll send it to anyone that asks" is a razor thin defense to begin with.

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    1. Re:Makes sense... by Loonacy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That person had it available for download from their own computer, so I thought they owned the copyright. Seriously, it's not MY responsibility to make sure everything I download or buy is being distributed legally. It's the distributor's responsibility to make sure they have the right to distribute.

    2. Re:Makes sense... by The+Infamous+Grimace · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;"
      I doubt you could sell that to a jury...notice that all of these include a monatery exchange.

      No, they don't all include monetary exchange. I can transfer ownership of an item to another without money ever being involved, and it could be argued that this is exactly what is being done by file sharing. When I allow you to download a file from my computer, I am in effect transfering ownership of the data in that file to you. Something to think about.

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    3. Re:Makes sense... by AusIV · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Try that after buying some crack. Tell the judge "He invited me into the back alley and sold me the crack. It's not my responsibility to make sure what I'm buying is legal.

      Seriously though, that's a weak argument. When one person is distributing thousands of well known songs and hundreds of high dollar movies, you can be fairly confident that the distribution is illegal.

      That said, I think it's a weak case to go after downloaders instead of distributors. The only way to have evidence that they're downloading something (prior to searching their computer) is if they're downloading it from you, and if you actually own the copyright to that item, I'm not sure you can distribute it illegally.

    4. Re:Makes sense... by fafalone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, say the crack dealer is an undercover cop. To avoid entrapment, the buyer would have to be the first one to indicate he wanted to do an illegal transaction. The cop couldn't just walk around saying "You want crack?" and arresting everyone who says yes.

    5. Re:Makes sense... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed that uploading for purposes of copying and downloading for purposes of copying may constitute copyright infringement. In the RIAA v. Consumer cases, however, the RIAA has evidence of neither. Nor does it have evidence that the defendant did anything at all. So where is the legal misinformation to which you are referring?

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    6. Re:Makes sense... by wolrahnaes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try that after buying some crack. Tell the judge "He invited me into the back alley and sold me the crack. It's not my responsibility to make sure what I'm buying is legal. Bad analogy. You are expected to know the crack is illegal, where when file sharing is involved it's hard to tell. The content is available legally, some artists do release one or two tracks for free on their web sites, so you are presented with a confusing scenario.

      Anyways, downloading is basically impossible to get sued over. If you're downloading off some random guy on the Internet, how's the **AA going to know, and if you're downloading off one of their bot machines it was completely legal because they own the copyright and put it up for free download. (as an aside, I came to this conclusion once before when they were polluting KaZaA and the like with damaged files and I decided to download 5-6 damaged versions and put them together in to one good version. It only worked with certain songs and was more work than it's worth, but technically it would have been legal.)

      Sharing is the only way you'll face legal trouble now and in the foreseeable future.
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  2. Lacking weight by Xiroth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uh, do we really need a blow-by-blow for this case on here? I mean, this is an interesting decision, but it seems to be more a procedual ruling rather than setting a precedent of any strength. Posted on a legal blog I could understand, but I doubt that enough of Slashdot's readers are fluent enough in legalese to get much sense out of it, or even get particularly interested in an intermediate step like this if they do understand it. Disclaimer: IANAL, so this is wide open to being contradicted to someone who is actually in the field.

  3. I'm confused... by darien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So hang on... so the judge dismissed an objection to a report that implied that having a Shared Files folder would satisfy the terms of 17 USC 106(3). Er, is this good or bad news?

  4. Could it be! An intelligent Judge! by gsn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One that actually believes you have to be shown to sharing copyrighted material before being found guilty of it. Merry fucking Christmas.

    Tiny steps. Maybe next year we can get a judge who recognizes that the RIAA "settlements" are pure extortion and the entire calculation for how much financial damage was caused by sharing a file is pure bollocks. Eventually one who realizes that an IP address!=identity and they shouldn't be allowed to just ask ISPs for IP address and get any kind of information at all. And that it shouldn't be a crime to punch the RIAA layers and moguls in the face... one can dream.

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    1. Re:Could it be! An intelligent Judge! by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One that actually believes you have to be shown to sharing copyrighted material before being found guilty of it.

      Well, I'd hope that most judges would expect a certain amount of proof before awarding a multi billion dollar judgement against an individual. When you're asking for the life ruining damages the RIAA are demanding, a judge isn't going to rush the case so he can get away and play a few rounds of golf.

  5. Intent to share ? by iemeeltje · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Copyrighted files on a shared folder is indeed not equal to sharing copyrighted files. However doesn't this show "intent to share" ? Don't know a lot on the US justice system (criminal, civil etc.) but I guess the proverb "stupidity doesn't mean innocense" still holds. To me it seems the plaintiff needs to prove actual sharing in order to get damages (?)

    1. Re:Intent to share ? by gnasher719 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      '' Soliciting to a crime or attempt to commit a crime is 'sometimes' punishable, sometimes it isn't (criminal law). Publicly sharing a folder feels to me like an attempt to commit a crime, but could be diminished by the user's stupidity (not knowing how to set permissions and such) ''

      Well, there are different kinds of crime. If you plan to steal my wallet, and a police officer knows about it, he can wait until you take my wallet and arrest you afterwards. If you plan to kill me, and a police officer knows about it, he cannot wait until you kill me; he has to stop you before you do it or even try to do it. Therefore there is a good reason to make it a crime to plan or attempt to kill someone; there is much less reason to make it a crime planning to steal my wallet.

      Also: Not knowing that sharing copyrighted files is a a copyright infringement is not an excuse.
      Not knowing that files you shared were copyrighted is some amount of excuse (if I give you some music, claiming that it is in the public domain, you share it, and it turns out that I lied to you, that is an excuse for you).
      Not knowing that you are sharing files _is_ an excuse (unless you should have known).

  6. Shared Folders do not equal P2P by AC5398 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shared folders are not evidence that you're running p2p programs. My freakin Windows XP Media Centre PC came with shared folders that I still can't get rid of.

  7. Oohhhhkay then by LordPhantom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I like NYCountyLaywer. But..... that headline was terrible. A summary should, in LAYMAN's terms, describe why I should spend a few moments reading about the issue.

    Ms. Lindor complained that the Report could be read to imply that 'the mere presence of a shared files folder on an individual's computer would ... satisfy the requirements of 17 USC 106(3)', saying that the Report of Magistrate Robert M. Levy could not be so read, since '[t]he report and recommendation does not comment on whether or not the mere presence of a shared files folder satisfies 17 USC 106(3).

    Seriously , do you really think that 95% of the readers are going to know off the top of their heads what 17 USC 106(3) is? I like playing armchair laywer, so I bothered to find out, but that headline made my eyes bleed. I suspect I would have started channeling Lewis Black if I hadn't posted this.

    1. Re:Oohhhhkay then by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thanks for your kind words, Fishbulb. A little encouragement, now and then, helps.

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  8. why it's important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Had the finding gone the other way administrative shares in windows would have automatically become infringing activity.

  9. Who said the case law has to make sense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Case one: In some locales having a sufficient quantity of drugs in your possession does make you a drug dealer. What if you are just a bulk-shopper with a large habit and like to save a few bucks?

    Case two: I lend you my car (license you some music). You park it legally in front of a bank and go inside to speak to a teller. Those naughty bank robbers opt to use my car as the getaway vehicle. You leave the bank and the car is gone. Did you participate in the crime? I can sue you for actual damages because I can't get to work now. I can also sue the robbers for the same thing.

  10. Re:In it for the money by Sancho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why should they? The settlements are working so well.

    The RIAA's goal in these suits is to stop copyright infringement by making an example out of people. A couple of million dollar judgements isn't likely to be more effective than dozens of multi-thousand dollar settlements, and it's going to cost a hell of a lot more.

    Furthermore, there's always the chance that they'd lose. A loss would be devestating, because they would start seeing more and more people fighting the allegations, which they don't want.

  11. Re:Link whoring by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Is it just me or do most of the stories that get posted by Zonk involve a /. user who is link whoring their companies and/or blogs?"

    Yeah, it's a huge surprise that a site that posts user submitted stories ends up with submissions from people excited about a product. What an evil horror. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! We wouldn't want to read about products that cost money!! That'd be like advertising!!!

    So... um.. anyway, why'd you bring that up in this particular story?

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