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Former President Gerald Ford Dead at 93

Rancid Altoid was one of a large number of readers to tell us that "Former U.S. President Gerald Ford, who was swept into office after the Watergate scandal and later pardoned Richard Nixon, died at age 93, his widow said on Tuesday."

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  1. Forgive and forget? by cyberon22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He should never have pardoned Nixon.

    1. Re:Forgive and forget? by Pharmboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He should never have pardoned Nixon.

      He didn't do it for Nixon, he did it for us. It isn't like Nixon was going to run for any other office, and if you are old enough to remember, with Vietnam, JFK, Bobby Kennedy, MLK, Kent State, and everything else that had happened over the last decade, we really didn't need another investigation to tell us what we already knew.

      Everyone knew Nixon was guilty, and because he was ex-pres, he wasn't going to go to "pound you in the ass federal prison" regardless of the outcome. We did not need 5 years of court hearings at that time.

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    2. Re:Forgive and forget? by NorbrookC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Part of the responsibility of the highest office in the land is to make the tough calls, and he totally failed it on that one.

      Considering that every one of his advisors recommended against the pardon, and he still did it, I'd say that was a tough call.

      The other thing that all the people that froth at the mouth about this (still) forget is that an article of impeachment |=criminal charges. In fact, Nixon hadn't been indicted in the legal system, when the pardon was issued. Now, whether he would have been, and whether he would have convicted is something that can be argued (and probably will be) for a long time.

    3. Re:Forgive and forget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Nope, pardoning Nixon was the single greatest thing the man accomplished, and it cost him a lot both politically and personally. Most historians agree that the nation would have been much worse off with the protracted political fight that would have resulted from the trial. Sure there are many who think he should have been punished, but I think resigning in shame and having that as his legacy is probably one of the greatest punishment for a man with the drive to become president.


      No, it wasn't. It has given idiots like Bush carte blanche to run amok with just about zero fear of being taken to task in a meaningful manner. Nixon should have gone to the fucking slammer.

      My favorite part of the Wikipedia article on Watergate:

      "The White House blamed this on Nixon's secretary, Rose Mary Woods, who said she had accidentally erased the tape by pushing the wrong foot pedal on her tape player while answering the phone. However, as photos splashed all over the press showed, for Woods to answer the phone and keep her foot on the pedal would have required a stretch that would have challenged a gymnast. She was then said to have held this position for the full 18½ minutes. Later forensic analysis determined that the gap had been erased several -- perhaps as many as eight -- times over, refuting the "accidental erasure" explanation."

      This is third world level stuff... they should have tried and executed Nixon's ass right then. Just the fact that he tried to invoke executive privilege to cover it up is enough for me. Unfortunately, our leaders are not afraid of this, and so they'll continue to do their thing with the fear of serving a token sentence at most... all thanks to Ford's "greatest thing" in your words.

      Look at the guys involved with Iran-Contra, they served their piddly sentences for much worse crimes, and today are back serving in the highest reaches of government.


      Yeah, funny how that works. If the powers that be were worried about having their nuts in a sling this wouldn't have happened. Tell me again how your vaunted pardon helped matters? Everybody is so concerned about "smoothing things over" and "moving on" instead of holding people accountable that it really removes the motivation to work within the law for a lot of these folks.
    4. Re:Forgive and forget? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Sure there are many who think he should have been punished, but I think resigning in shame and having that as his legacy is probably one of the greatest punishment for a man with the drive to become president.

      Shame? What shame? He's still defended as a hero by neocons. His people are still to be found in power in D.C.

      The fact the Nixon didn't go to jail is what let Reagan and Bush II get away with their subversions of the Constitution.

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  2. The King is Dead, Long Live the King by thermopile · · Score: 5, Informative
    Interestingly, President Ford is the only person to have served as both Vice President and President, and been elected to neither position.

    Obligatory wiki quote.

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    1. Re:The King is Dead, Long Live the King by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      And in response, an obligatory Futurama quote:

      Bill Clinton's Head: (to Leela) Hey, sugar cookie! You know, legally, nothing I can do counts as sex anymore.
      Gerald Ford's Head: I apologize for his rudeness, ma'am. He gets this way around meaty looking women.
      Fry: (to Clinton) Hey, I remember you. I was gonna vote for you one time. But voting isn't cool, so I stayed home alone and got trashed on Listerine.
      Gerald Ford's Head: Frankly, I've never felt voting to be all that essential to the process.
      Richard Nixon's Head: No kidding, Ford!

  3. He was by dl107227 · · Score: 3, Funny

    He was delicious.

  4. Re:But the real question is... by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny
  5. The Accidential (Accident Prone?) President by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of people, especially younger ones, weren't aware that Ford was the only US president who was never elected to office. When Nixon's vice president, Spiro Agnew, resigned over charges of tax evasion, Nixon chose Senator Ford to replace him. Then when Nixon resigned over Watergate, Ford took the top job. I think most people these days only know of Ford through accident-prone appearances on shows like the Simpsons and impersonations by Chevy Chase on Saturday Night Live reruns. Some people believe that his unremarkable term of office was just what this country needed after the previous administraitons focus on Viet Nam, Watergate, etc.

  6. So farewell then, by E.J.Thribb · · Score: 4, Funny

    So.
    Farewell then, Gerald Ford.
    Many said you were not the sharpest tool in the box.
    How wrong they are, now.

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  7. Minor typo by SNR+monkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not to be a grammar nazi, but it should read "from the too-many-submissions-to-ignore dept"

  8. Re:I will never forgive him by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In all likelihood, given the political climate of the time, you still wouldn't have gotten to the bottom of everything Nixon did, and only put up with months of political grandstanding and butt-covering. On the other hand, Nixon's henchmen were publicly tried, their crimes exposed, and most of them did time. Unfortunately, being shameless (*cough* G. Gordon Liddy *cough*), they didn't quietly disappear as would have been appropriate. (that includes you, Henry K.) Exiling Nixon to Fairbanks, rather than California, would have been appropriate as well, but as the Stones put it, "you can't always get what you want". Having seen what drips out over the years about Nixon's time in office, you can only imagine what would have been vomited up at the time if it all came out at once. Ford seems to have done close to the right thing.

    So don't complain. Personally, I wanted to see Ronbo, G. H. W. Bush, and Co. brought to task over Iran Contra, but with those last minute pardons for the perpetrators as the investigators finally got near GHWB, my generation got diddly/squat. You at least got something, even if it wasn't RMN in San Quentin.

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  9. Also he is the only Eagle Scout to ever be by Mycroft_514 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    President. No Wiki quote, look it up yourself. But he joined 6 of the 12 men who walked on the moon with that distinction. (Why do you think Apollo 11's lunar module was called "The Eagle"?)

  10. Dana Carvey's SNL skit by Liberaltarian · · Score: 3, Funny

    as Tom Brokaw immediately came to mind when I heard the news. There are audio bits on Dana Carvey's website, and occasionally someone will upload the entire skit to YouTube (before it's inevitably taken down by the copyright police).

    Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford dead today at the age of 83.
    Producer: Good, now one for next year.
    Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford dead today at age 84.
    Producer: Now one for if he's shot.
    Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford shot dead today at age 83.
    Producer: Add the word senseless.
    Tom Brokaw: Okay, Gerald Ford shot dead at the senseless age of 83.
    ...
    Tom Brokaw: Alright, we got it?
    Producer: No. We've got "eaten by wolves".
    Tom Brokaw: What? Now, come on!
    Producer: Just read it!
    Tom Brokaw: Gerald Ford isn't gonna be eaten by wolves!
    Producer: Taft was.
    Tom Brokaw: Really? Taft?
    Producer: Uh... yeah.

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  11. Reminds me of this . . . by Slithe · · Score: 4, Funny
    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96dbrokaw.phtml

    Tom Brokaw: Alright. "Gerald Ford is dead today, and I'm gay." Now, wait a minute!

    Voice of Producer: What? That'd be a huge story - Ford dying, and you coming out!

    Tom Brokaw: But I'm not gay!

    Voice of Producer: Today you're not gay, you know.. but then one day you wake up, you like men, and Gerald Ford dies, and we're screwed. Everyone's hearing about it from Dan Rather!
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  12. Yes, the East Timorese with sorely miss him by MrSteveSD · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ford and Kissinger visited Jakarta in 1975 and gave approval for the invasion of East Timor. Kissenger told Suharto...

    It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly.

    Well it did succeed and over 200,000 East Timorese died during the invasion and subsequent occupation. It's strange that neither Ford nor Kissinger mentioned they gave the green light for the East Timor invasion in their memoirs. It must have slipped their minds. Fortunately details of their meetings with Suharto are now available (released by the National Security Archive in 2001). Yes Ford will be sorely missed by the people of East Timor.
  13. Just a bit of reminiscing.... by jbarr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was 17, I received an Eagle Scout award. Our local Scout council was holding a benefit dinner, and President Ford (by that time, former president) was the guest of honor, who was a former Scout himself. I was asked if I wanted to be in the color guard, and I readily accepted. I also had the honor of sitting next to him at the head table for dinner. He was a very gracious man, and was happy to talk with us about him and Scouting. Being young, I was quite nervous, but he interacted with us in a comfortable, casual, yet respected manner.

    One thing that I'll never forget is that for dessert, we were served a "grasshopper pie", which was a mint ice cream and chocolate pie. Interestingly, they served him a bowl of three simple scoops of vanilla ice cream. When I asked him about it, he said that he loved vanilla ice cream, and didn't like the other fancy stuff.

    Anyway, it was a pleasure to have had the honor of spending a short time with him.

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  14. Re:Cnn does it best by teflaime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bias? I'm not sure where you are seeing bias in CNN's coverage. They portrayed him as a kind and honest man who did what he thought was best for the country, as opposed to what was best for himself or the Republican party. Which, to be accurate, was pretty much how Ford said he wanted to be remembered.

  15. How is this insightful? by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Insightful
    By pardoning Nixon, Ford stopped all of the investigations and set the US up for another Imperial Presidency. Rather than putting Watergate, and it's excesses, behind the country, Ford's pardon put them into the future. Take a look around and you'll see for yourself.

    For those too young to know better; the Watergate scandal is NOT about the break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters! Watergate is about everything that happened AFTER!

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  16. Death Templates by nxtr · · Score: 3, Funny

    You think they came in handy?

  17. Re:Cnn does it best by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 5, Informative
    It's interesting that the attempt against Regan that injured Brady gets so much notoriety but the two attempts against Ford are never talked about.

    I know /. skews young, so it's possible you may not remember Reagan getting shot.

    That's the thing: unlike Ford, he actually got shot, as did Brady and a Secret Service guy, Tim McCarthy. Missed killing Reagan by about an inch. We had to wait in suspense to see if he would survive or not. So, yeah, that stands out in people's memories. (I was 11 when it happened.)

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  18. Re:Bush involvement by JavaLord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We still don't have a motive for the crime -- Nixon was leading in the polls at the time of the break-in. Some suggest the motive might have been to steal the evidence that Nixon and George H.W. Bush were involved in the JFK assassination.

    So the democrats had this, and just didn't release it...and they never mentioned it publically afterwords? Please, those kinds of theories are put forward just by authors looking to sell books to marks. They broke in to place wiretaps to see what the democrats were up to. Sure Nixon was leading in the polls, but does a thief stop stealing just because he has money?

  19. Re:Messiness in front, though by udderly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But then again, why should the OP allow facts to get in the way of what he/she wishes to believe?

    The logical fallacy of Blank and White Thinking, which is a hallmark of those with Borderline Personality Disorder, seems to affect most of us when dealing with political figures.

    Maybe GWB and/or Bill Clinton are saints, sent from God himself; maybe they're full-on sociopaths. However, the most likely scenario is that they're the usual mixture of good and evil, altruism and selfishness, who through various turns-of-events became President despite their flaws.

    Likewise, their policies could be completely evil or completely good, but more likely the result of mixed motives and the general imperfection of the human intellect and psychology.

  20. Re:Cnn does it best by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please take my respects with you. From all that I know of him, Gerald Ford was a good and honest man who did the best he could even in a tough situation, and always had his countrymen's best interests at heart. I am saddened by his passing, but glad that we had him in life.

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  21. Re:Cnn does it best by Vicissidude · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bias? I'm not sure where you are seeing bias in CNN's coverage. They portrayed him as a kind and honest man who did what he thought was best for the country, as opposed to what was best for himself or the Republican party.

    There's your bias right there. Honest? That's completely laughable. Best for the country? Pah-lease.

    Ford is a man who let a crook go free for the benefit of the Republican party. Just imagine Nixon, a dirty Republican, and 4-5 years of a trial where everyone knew he had broken the law. Reagan would have never made it into office in a political climate like that. And all of Nixon's cronies such as Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush Sr, would have had their careers ruined.

    No, Ford's actions were for the benefit of the only person who elected him to the position of President of the United States: Richard Nixon.

  22. Re:Cnn does it best by WillyPete · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was also aware in advance of the plan by Indonesia to massacre the East Timorese with U.S.-provided weaponry (~200,00 killed). Now, I'm not certain that we really needed to act militarily, but if the Indosesians wanted to kill a third East Timor's population I fail to see why we got to provide the weapons.

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    http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/12/gaw-in-act ion.html

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