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Piracy Outstripping Legal Video Sales?

b.burl writes to tell us a recently released report by the NDP Group supports the horror stories being fed to us by studio execs, but not quite in the way those execs would have you believe. The study shows a continued rise in video piracy compared to legal video sales. The largest target continues to be adult oriented content and TV shows, with only an estimated 5 percent being mainstream movie content. From the article: "[A]mong U.S. households with members who regularly use the Internet, 8 percent (six million households) downloaded at least one digital video file (10MB or larger) from a P2P service for free in the third quarter of 2006. Nearly 60 percent of video files downloaded from P2P sites were adult-film content, while 20 percent was TV show content and 5 percent was mainstream movie content."

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  1. The Internet is for Porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why you think the net was born?

    Porn! Porn! Porn!

    1. Re:The Internet is for Porn! by spyder913 · · Score: 4, Funny

      the link for those who haven't seen it yet:
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841 227974645

  2. Adult oriented content by Warbringer87 · · Score: 5, Funny

    #1 cause of computer literacy among 18-24 males.

    1. Re:Adult oriented content by s_p_oneil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He didn't say "literacy". He said "computer literacy". Here are all the things they can learn from it (often in this order):

      1) How to use a mouse.
      2) How to launch and use a web browser.
      3) What local files and folders are, and why it's a good idea to save your favorite videos locally in your own folder.
      4) How to hide things stored locally so your parent, boss, girlfriend, etc. can't find it.
      5) How to install and use P2P software (often followed by how to install anti-malware software).
      6) How to locate and install video and audio codecs.
      7) How to find and use anonymous proxies to circumvent those pesky web filtering devices.
      8) How to set up their own proxies, write scripts or programs, and/or hack the filtering device to circumvent it.

      Some kids end up becoming programmers, IT specialists, or even hackers just to be able to see a boob. ;-)

  3. A shame... by KingSkippus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    20 percent [of video files downloaded from P2P sites] was TV show content

    And this is a crying shame.

    I download television show content myself. What I can get on iTunes, I get on iTunes and pay $2 per show, or buy a whole season at a time. What I can't, I seek elsewhere, including P2P networks. I don't download movies at all, because I can simply get them on DVD.

    The fact is that I'm not going to pay $50 a month for cable or satellite for something that's, frankly, not worth that much to me. Television and movie studios can either get compensation for their stuff by making it available to me in a manner I want (iTunes/timely release of DVDs), or they can get bupkiss when I download it for free, an option that I'd really rather avoid, to be honest.

    If, god forbid, the industry succeeds somehow in making television shows impossible to download, then I simply won't watch their stuff at all. Most of it has that little value to me.

    It's all so stupid. I can't believe there's an industry out there that is so desperate to stop the pirates that they're willing to forego billions of dollars, yet here we are, living it.

    If someone gave you the choice of making $1 billion for making a television show, but the show is pirated to an extent such that over half the people who watch it don't pay you, or making $500 million for making a television show with little or no piracy of it at all with a much, much smaller audience, which would you prefer?

    Yeah, me too. Stupid, huh?

    As for porn, I don't care. I've only seen a few porn movies myself, and I don't find them exciting. I honestly think that porn is one of those things that everyone thinks they're supposed to be really into, so they watch it and act like it's a big deal; but realistically, once you've seen one, you've pretty much seen them all. People get naked and do it, ho hum. Check out this other one where... Um... People get naked and do it, ho hum. But you know, whatever. I guess if there's anything I don't understand about that is why people still buy DVDs or the naughty channels on cable when they can pretty much get anything they want over the Internet.

    1. Re:A shame... by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone gave you the choice of making $1 billion for making a television show, but the show is pirated to an extent such that over half the people who watch it don't pay you, or making $500 million for making a television show with little or no piracy of it at all with a much, much smaller audience, which would you prefer?

      $1 billion and no future customers vs. $0.5 billion and lots of currently unsatisfied future customers?

      They're not exactly in it for the money, not for today anyway. You're thinking short term. The RIAA and their partners at Microsoft are willing to make the necessary investments now so that they can eventually do for arts, culture, and politics what DeBeers did for diamonds. They basically want a stranglehold on popular culture so that they can reduce the diversity of viewpoints you hear and limit the quality of audio/video signals that you see- quite a lucrative position to be in that also confers significant political power. With consolidated media you can selectively promote political candidates who will let your lobbyists write the bills that they pass in Congress, and you can easily suppress alternative viewpoints from being heard anywhere except on the Internet. Political suppression on the Internet will require political/legislative fixes, to solve problems like Net Neutrality that just let anyone say anything.

    2. Re:A shame... by Jimmay · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pr0n is all the same???? Are you serious???

      Here's some of what you're missing:

      Straight hardcore, girl on girl, 3-somes, BJ-only, HJ-only, foursomes, orgies, orgies with vampires (my personal fave), black porn, white porn, asian porn (another fun one), watersports (need to take a leak?), bukakke (are you thirsty?), double stuffing (only if your buddy and you are REALLY secure), gay hardcore, gay orgies (not my cup of tea), amateur, amateur upskirts (that creepy guy in the clubs with a vidcam and a raincoat on), amateur db (downblouse viewing), latex fetish, puffy fetish (these are hilarious! almost as much fun as a ball-gag, a ball-pean hammer, and a fifth of Jack)..... and I haven't even touched on the various sub-genres of poop pr0n!

      Hmmm.... off to the newsgroups.....

    3. Re:A shame... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, the bullshit the executives use about tv shows "pirated" is exactly that. Bullshit. Advertisers are not paying less to air during the shows that are being "pirated" in fact the shows that are heavily pirated are the top shows and earn the MOST money. BattleStar Galactica is the #1 "pirated" show on TV next to the simpsons. Both make craploads of money and get paid for what they did, the channel that aired it got paid for the advertising during the airtime, JUST LIKE NORMAL.

      Anyone that says you are stealing a TV show that AIRED is so full of it they stink. the show was created, they got paid for it, the broadcaster got paid for airing it by the commercials that aired during it. THEY ALL GOT THEIR MONEY.

      The exec's that are whining like little babies are the ones that want to wring another $1.00 per viewing out of it after it aired. I.E. the pigs that smell the cooking bacon out there and want a piece of that pie too.

      It's drivin by 100% unadulterated greed, and they try to villify it to justify it in the minds of the public.... Their real definition is that you are a thief if you have a VCR, DVR, recording DVD player or PC that can watch it... They just dont say that in public as it will piss off the public.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  4. Metrics used are flawed by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    10MB is still well within the range of the size of videos porn sites flood the net with as teasers to get people to go pay for the full-length stuff on their websites. Just because it's being downloaded for free via P2P doesn't mean it's piracy or illegal, it may be precisely what the publishers of the content wanted.

  5. Why is this surprising? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blockbuster doesn't carry pr0n, neither does Wal-Mart. Besides, your neighbors are at Wal-Mart.

    I think TV series are in the position that VHS movies were 15 years ago. Back then, movies cost 80$ US, and nobody bought them. When the price came down to the 20$ range, they started to sell. I think many people feel the same about TV series. At 80$ a season, they're not going to sell. I mean, after all it's just a TV show. If the prices came down to the 30$ range, I bet more people would buy them because they're major fans, or to watch the two episodes they missed.

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    No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
  6. I'm a bad, bad pirate by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pirate that I am, I evilly downloaded the first three episodes of Heroes because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. The videos I downloaded had had ALL THE COMMERCIALS REMOVED! No revenue for you, NBC!

    Of course, as a result, my wife and I sit down and watch Heroes on NBC every week, including commercials (we don't watch enough TV to need a TiVo). If we hadn't been able to illegally download those videos, we'd likely not be watching the show OR the commercials.

    So I ask: Did it benefit or hurt NBC that I illegally downloaded and watched the first three episodes of Heroes?

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    "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    1. Re:I'm a bad, bad pirate by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Funny

      You hurt them on the inside ;(

  7. 5 Percent? by SandwhichMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The MPAA is constantly whining, wasting millions of dollars, and annoying all of us over 5 percent? I made the mistake of buying a DVD recently and had to sit through that annoying anti piracy clip. You know... "You wouldn't steal a car would you? You wouldn't steal a purse..." Yeah, because stealing a car, and copying a DVD are even remotely the same. Its frustrating and insulting that every time I watch my PURCHASED DVD, this stupid thing will come up. I don't like being accused of stealing, before watching my movies. Ironically, if I'd have just pirated the movie, I wouldn't be seeing that clip, as well as other annoying previews. Maybe they should concentrate on making good movies to win over new customers, instead of insulting remaining customers.

  8. Re:Pr0n? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those porn actors should not complain about loss of sales, they get busy each and every day for hours! Who are they to complain! :-D

    Would you want to fuck Ron Jeremy for free?

    LK

    --
    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
  9. Where can I buy videos for download without DRM? by vertinox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seeing what the answer to that question will explain why piracy is doing better than legitimate sales.

    As soon as they put the videos online for sale and download without DRM and a standardized format (Divx or Xvid), I think you will see a dramatic change.

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    "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
    -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  10. you obviously know nothing about porn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Uhhh, I don't know what planet you're living on, but here on Earth, porn is VERY popular, if anything, MORE people are fans of it than care to admit. The whole beauty of Internet porn is the SHEER variety of it all. Seen one, seen 'em all? I could say the same thing about Chinese people, but that would be just ignorant, wouldn't it? If you're not into porn, and it's "all the same to you", that's fine and dandy. I can't fathom why people like professional football so much. Seen one game, seen em all, right?

  11. NPD group is biased by bigberk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Report is from NPD Group, well who are their clients ... EMI Music (a large RIAA member).

    This is not an unbiased research firm, they are a marketing company and will serve the interests of their clients.

    Probably just another arm of the RIAA/MPAA. I don't see how it would possibly serve this for-profit company's interests to say anything other than downloading is theft

  12. Re:Pr0n? by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Those porn actors should not complain about loss of sales, they get busy each and every day for hours! Who are they to complain! :-D
    Not sure how things work in the San Fernando valley, but in Europe for straight porn or fetish shoots the men don't usually get paid, just the women. A rare male will get paid if he is exceptionally talented - i.e. hugely endowed and able to perform on camera. You'd be amazed how few men can actually deliver the moneyshot with an audience.

    Actually there are many things about the reality of the porn business that would amaze most people, mostly about how mundane and professional it is, and the large number of women who are porn producers - not performers. One day I really should write a book.

    And yes, porn actors in my experience are a pretty happy lot. They are much easier to deal with than "real" actors; fewer tantrums, less drug abuse, punctual, professional, sober, reliable, etc...