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Wal-Mart Is Pushing Compact Fluorescent Bulbs

While we all know from reading the internets that Wal-Mart is irredeemably evil, the world's largest retailer has committed to get compact fluorescent lightbulbs into 100 million homes this year. CFLs are found in only 6% of households today. These energy-saving bulbs use 75% less electricity than incandescents and produce far less greenhouse gas to manufacture and use. Wal-Mart seems determined to use its marketing prowess to do what hasn't successfully been done in the CFL's 25-year history: to convince consumers to pay more upfront for large savings over the product's lifetime.

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  1. Oh come on... by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "While we all know from reading the internets that Wal-Mart is irredeemably evil"

    What is that? Sure, the majority of people don't like Wal-Mart, but why do you feel the need to mention it in an article where Wal-Mart is doing something good?

    As for the article it's mostly a "duh" thing. It's main points seem to be that Wal-Mart's trying to sell a lot of these bulbs, the people who make money off of incandescents don't like it, and then it goes into the history of the light bulb.

    I'm glad Wal-Mart's doing this, too many people refuse to buy them, if Wal-Mart does what they always do (cheap) then their plan should work and power consumption should drop.

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    1. Re:Oh come on... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sure, the majority of people don't like Wal-Mart...
      No, the majority of slashdotters don't like Wal-Mart. The majority of people, in general, either like it or don't have any feelings for it one way or another. Same with Microsoft, SCO, and the RIAA.
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    2. Re:Oh come on... by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful
      A subject that nobody *EVER* discusses is the limits of human perception. Our brains our designed to make quick evaluations about things. This is the *ONLY* strategy that works because you have to evaluate thousands of things in your life.

      When we give a name to something, an entity as large as walmart for instance, that allows us to sum up the hundreds of thousands of people and millions of actions they take on behalf of walmart as one concept. But in reality, walmart is hundreds of thousands of people and millions of actions.

      Add this to a blurry concept of good and evil, and you've got a real mess that can't be summarized easily and thus can't be easily comprehended by our brains.

      The truth about walmart (and every other thing) is it is neither evil nor good. Some of the people are evil, some of the policies are evil, some are good, some of the people are good. I worked for walmart after college during a hard time in my industry ... I met all those people, good, bad, evil, and the majority just people trying to feed their families. Most aren't even capable of understanding the damage walmart as a hole does to the country (wage depression which leads to manufacturing outsourcing which leads to more wage depression)

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  2. Brighter CFLs would attract more buyers by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've found that replacing my 100watt bulbs with the equivalent in CFLs was ok, but light coming from them somehow seemed dimmer due to it being a colder temperature light. What I would like to see is really bright CFLs, like 150W equivalent, which would use about 30W. I think this would encourage people to buy them more because as well as only using 30% of the electricity they also get bulbs that produce 50% more light, not to mention the immediate wow factor of having brighter bulbs. Unfortunately things seem to be going the other way, as at my local store I can now only buy 18W CFLs.

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  3. Re:They're still evil... by jlarocco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm not seeing how this makes them any less evil. If they sell the bulbs for less profit, then I'd say maybe a little less evil.

    Selling things for a profit isn't evil.

    If you want to complain about Walmart, complain about their shitty service, or how their employees are morons, or the over all low quality of the products they sell, or how they treat their employees like dirt. There's no shortage of reasons why Walmart could be considered "evil", but selling things for a profit isn't one of them.

    Everytime you get a paycheck that isn't negative, you've sold your labor for a profit. Get over it.

  4. Re:Plop by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a great move by WalMart. This gets them great press with people calling them "not evil" on Slashdot and everything, and it cost them practically NOTHING.

  5. Re:Brilliant! by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Zero delay on modern bulbs. My only current complaint is that they don't play nice with dimmers. I use them everywhere else.

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  6. Women do not like them by gelfling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Go ask - women do not like the light they throw off.

  7. Re:Thank you Wal-Mart by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're doing this for the environment.

    Technically ... that's called a "side effect".

    No, they're doing it to make money, gobs and gobs of it.

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  8. Re:When will they be dimmable?? by Nanoda · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've never used them myself, but my local hardware store has had Globe brand dimmable CFLs for almost a year now. They are about twice as expensive, but given that they use 1/4 the power and last 10 times as long as incandescents, it's probably still worth getting a few.

  9. Re:When will they be dimmable?? by BiAthlon · · Score: 3, Insightful
  10. Simple Economics Alright by Joebert · · Score: 5, Insightful
    If it succeeds in selling 100 million compact fluorescent bulbs a year by 2008

    They will also have converted about 28% (nearly a third) of their yearly lightbulb sales to somthing that is 8 times as expensive.
    Given that profit margins normally work on percentages, that should roughly octuple 28% of their profit margin on lightbulbs.
    They should be making 2.96 times as much selling light bulbs, of course they want to push this.
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    1. Re:Simple Economics Alright by MLease · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They will also have converted about 28% (nearly a third) of their yearly lightbulb sales to somthing that is 8 times as expensive. Given that profit margins normally work on percentages, that should roughly octuple 28% of their profit margin on lightbulbs. They should be making 2.96 times as much selling light bulbs, of course they want to push this.

      Um, one problem with that. The fluorescent bulbs last 10x longer on average (see TFA). So while they may make 2.96 x as much profit on one bulb, they're going to end up selling one tenth as many bulbs. This is going to cut their profits in the long run (though it might make their short term profits look better).

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  11. Re:Brilliant! by 10Ghz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Uh, I live in Finland, and if anyone told here that they are using a hot-running lightbulbs so they would save some money on heating, they would be officially titled as the village idiot. Instead of using lightbulbs as your source of heat, I recommend that you use them for their primary purpose (ligthing), and heat your home through regural means. The heating in your home is designed for heating, so use it. It would be same if I ran my radiators red-hot so I could use the red glow as a nice source of ambient light. Hey, at least I would be saving some money on lighting, right?

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  12. Might as well start the grand debate early on... by adolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as we're explaining general viewpoints for karma, here's how I see things:

    RIAA is evil. They're suing their customers.
    Microsoft is evil. They lock people into their products and make my job difficult with obscure licensing requirements and feature omissions.
    SCO is evil. Sure, UNIX(r) was great and all, but we got over it years ago.

    Wal-Mart? Come on. All they do is sell products that people want, for less money than the competition, and offer correspondingly little in the way of customer service. Just like Newegg, Amazon, or any of most of the other faceless online entities who are struggling to charge as little as possible in an attempt to get ahead. This might hurt the local specialty merchants, but then, so does Newegg limit the market of a brick-and-mortar specialty PC parts store, who stands no chance at all at matching the pricing, availability, or product diversity such a beastly online merchant.

    That said, I'm an informed sort of fellow, and I don't really want to pay someone to hold my hand while I make a purchase, anyway. The decisive lack of knowledgeable sales representatives at Wal-Mart and Newegg is, to me, a clear advantage, because I don't have to pay extra for supposedly-clued people to stand around and bullshit me.

    Right then. So you say that they only sell stuff made in China. But so do all of the other places where I can actually afford to shop.

    And so, at the end of the day: I could either pay less for those cheap Chinese goods, or I could pay more. Obviously, I'd rather pay less. Just like I'd rather get a raise, than continue toiling away undercompensated. Just like I'd rather sit, than stand. And I'd rather lay down, than sit. And so on, and so forth.

    So now, they're making a concerted effort to boost CFL lighting, so as to cause people to spend less money on electric lighting instead of more money on more money on electric lighting. A boon for everyone. Cool!

  13. Re:Plop by Barny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't know what ones you have, the Philips ones I have been using for over 4 years now (no, I have not replaced a single one) give a wonderful pure white light, not sure about camera tainting, but if you want something that is lit for photography, then, well, buy the old filament type globes.

    As a side note, the one light I did not change (the outside porch light) has blown about every 3 months since purchase, after 3 years I eventually changed it for a CF light too.

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  14. Re:Brilliant! (not so!) by phulegart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    OMG!

    Are you freaking serious? The delay was too long? Have you become so immersed in the current culture of Instant Gratification, that when you weigh the individual bonuses and global bonuses of using these bulbs, against the minor annoyances of how long the bulb takes to achieve brightness and the exact color of "white" light that the bulb throws off (Ok, that wasn't YOU, but I'm replying to other freaks who agreed against the bulbs.. sue me)

    Come ON! Let's see.. the bulbs use an incredibly small amount of electricity compared to regular incandescent bulbs.. so you get to save money there. Don't need to save money? I'll give you an address you can throw money at. I'm only one of the MILLIONS of people who could use that money you are throwing away by not switching to CF bulbs.

    Don't like a "whiter" light? You prefer the yellowed light from incandescents? Ok, sure it is a "warmer" tone.. that is because it is created by a glowing filament... it is a "white" light born of a red light... you know... red as in infrared, red as in burning, red as in fire and heat.. remember playing with metal and campfires, getting a piece of metal glowing brightly orange, or even white hot (if the fire was hot enough). Seeing a common theme of wasted energy here, thrown off in HEAT that is unnecessary to the process of providing light? I say unnecessary, because if you want heat, use a blanket. Not a light bulb.

    You bathe your head in more radiation coming from your cell phone. You are in no danger from your CF light bulb.

    I just can't believe people are whining "But it takes soooo long for it to light up. WAH! Mommy! Make the bulb light faster!" It takes longer for a web page to load with broadband, than it takes for the light to come on. Christ, it takes less than a second. Time measured in Microseonds. Why aren't you whining about how seconds it takes your car to start between turning the key and actual ignition? WHy aren't you whining about how long it takes the BIOS to check your drives before booting begins off the harddrive? Why aren't you whining about how long it takes your OS ((Linux or Windows) to boot? My God. Is 30 seconds just way way too long to melt butter for you as well?

    As far as the color of the light goes... get a life. There is more variation in the shade of white in the background of this freaking web page, from computer monitor to computer monitor, than there is in the difference between regular bulbs and CF bulbs. And if you are complaining about the color, and you DON'T have a specific color profile set up for your monitor, as well as the exact INF file for your monitor, and programs like Adobe color correction running, AND an accurate, less than 4 month old AFGA color chart nearby to check your monitor color reproduction against.. you have no right to talk about the shade of white.

    Stop burning paper money and get with the program. And go buy some damn CF bulbs. At Walmart!

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  15. Re:Brilliant! by trentblase · · Score: 3, Insightful

    electric heat is very inefficient

    I think you mean it's not economic. A heater designer would have to be pretty dumb not to get 100 percent efficiency out of an electric heater.

  16. Re:Plop by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh they are still evil. You realize this is their plan to control the US, right?
    Ha, ha. Actually Wal-Mart deserves praise for the pro-environmental actions it takes, if only because we want to encourage them to continue. People aren't inclined to give corporations the benefit of the doubt so when they do good things it's often overlooked. This was a good thing and we should not overlook it.

    There are some simple changes that some corporations are in a position to make which have great environmental impact, like when Google started pushing the PC industry to make simple 12 volt power supplies instead of inefficient ones with multiple voltage outputs. People assume that pro-environment means "expensive" but that's not necessarily the case. More and more companies are realizing that this sort of thing can be a cheap, painless way to generate good press for your organization. And after all, Wal-Mart is not really an evil company, just a money-grubbing company that deservedly gets a lot of press for doing evil things.
  17. Close the resource loop by Randym · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'll consider Wal-Mart as a source when they commit to taking back -- and actually recycling -- the old CFL bulbs. Otherwise the bulbs just end up in a landfill somewhere leaking mercury into the environment -- and Wal-Mart will come across as a typical corporate greenwasher, benefitting from appearing "socially conscious" while externalizing the nasty end result. In Europe, they have laws mandating that 'waste electrical and electronic equipment' must be recyclable in this way. Here's the wikpd link.

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