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Bill Gates on Robots

mstaj noted that Bill Gates has an article in January edition of Scientific American A Robot in Every Home."Imagine being present at the birth of a new industry. It is an industry based on groundbreaking new technologies, wherein a handful of well-established corporations sell highly specialized devices for business use and a fast-growing number of start-up companies produce innovative toys, gadgets for hobbyists and other interesting niche products. But it is also a highly fragmented industry with few common standards or platforms. Projects are complex, progress is slow, and practical applications are relatively rare. In fact, for all the excitement and promise, no one can say with any certainty when — or even if — this industry will achieve critical mass. If it does, though, it may well change the world."

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  1. Here's wondering... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why they printed an article by Bill Gates rather than one of the hundreds of professional robotics researchers in the country.

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    1. Re:Here's wondering... by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why they printed an article by Bill Gates rather than one of the hundreds of professional robotics researchers in the country.

      Because he has the people to collect info from experts and summarize it for him. And he has the cash and marketing clout to make it happen.

    2. Re:Here's wondering... by samkass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That was my exact reaction, too. I thought Scientific American generally got input from experts in the field, and Bill Gates does not qualify as an expert in robotics. (I'd argue he doesn't qualify as an expert in Software Engineering, either.) Keep the Bill Gates articles in BusinessWeek and keep Scientific American as a forum for the experts to write layman-accessible articles. And if you want to discuss robotics, visit NREC at CMU, MIT, Honda, or one of the other myriad companies in the US, Japan, and around the world that actually know something on the topic.

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    3. Re:Here's wondering... by Mysticalfruit · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forget, the coffeebot would then steal your wallet and rape you in your sleep while yelling "My name is Garunda Mabushi and my husband worked for the Oil Ministry of Nigeria..."

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    4. Re:Here's wondering... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read the article in the magazine. It was a rather rosy assessment of the future of robotics. Bill was comparing the microprocessor revolution that enabled PCs to be in every home and seeing how the latest advancements in microprocessors and sensors would someday do the same thing for robotics.


      While sensors and raw computing power have become more powerful and accessible, I felt the article did not address the problem of AI. The current generations of robots: Roomba, DARPA self driving car, have very limited functionality. To do what Gates proposed, the next generation of robots will have to have much more intelligence. This brings to mind Asimov's 3 laws. It's one thing for your robotic sweeper to be very dumb. The worst thing it could do if it went haywire is it would chase your pet around. It's another thing for your medicine dispensing robot to give you the wrong medication.

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    5. Re:Here's wondering... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bill Gates is an expert on marketing and hype. He's not an expert on technology. As an x-microsquish employee I can assure you that Mr. Gates was not known for his technical abilities no matter what the micro$oft's PR machine tries to tell people. Much of what the PR machine claims uncle Billy had a hand in had to be completely rewritten or he didn't even actually touch it.

      What you are seeing coming from Microsoft is their marketing and PR machine are trying to hype the tech sector to give it, and themselves, a boost. The level or AI (whatever that really is) and robotics is not close to the C3PO bot that most people think of as robotics. Dumb vacuums that can zip around a floor and avoid obstacles doesn't seem like much of an advance in robotics or AI from what was possible a decade or more ago.

      Microsoft was a two hit pony, Windows and Office, and those horses are getting long in the tooth. Microsoft needs to sell a new dream. Sell a new prayer. The hope for C3PO is their latest attempt to see what sticks. Robotics has an element of fantasy around it which they are hoping to hook the public on. The fact that robotics and AI are so far from C3PO means they are guaranteed a long run of the selling upgraded new tech "technology" for decades to come.

      Do yourself a favor and read up on where robotics is really at before buying the hype or buying into Microsoft's latest money making scheme.

      This is another classic case of "Where's the beef Microsoft?"

    6. Re:Here's wondering... by larkost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I do agree that Scientific American is not what I remember from my childhood, but it is still a lot better than Popular Science. I subscribe to both (PopSci more as a filler magazine). The January issue is still waiting for me to make the time for it, but I do think that Bill Gates is the wrong author for a generalized article.

      But I do think you are looking at the wrong magazine if you are looking for peer-reviewed articles in SciAm. Even in their heyday they were not a peer-reviewed place. Instead they are a place where experts from different scientific disciplines write articles that people outside their disciplines can read. Usually there is a good attempt to make those articles reflect more than just the authors bent on that discipline, but that has never been a focus (look at the String Theory articles as evidence of that). If you are looking for peer-reviewed rigor, then go to one of the specialized journals.

      Even given that, SciAm is a long way from being advertisements. These are specialists writing articles that will never go on their CV's, and at best will help them sell general-reading books if they ever write them. These people deserve more respect than you are showing their work.

    7. Re:Here's wondering... by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yup, sure looks like Microsoft purchased advertising space for the Bill Gates marketing piece. The content is simplistic and naive while he goes on and on about Microsofts new robotics effort. And putting Mundie on the project just stinks of opposing current GNU/Linux open source efforts in robotics.

      BTW, notice the ads for Microsofts 3D rebotics kit?

      Too bad they didn't mention the opensource 3D robotics simulator called Simbad( http://simbad.sourceforge.net/ ).

      LoB

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  2. I guess by jaymzru · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's all fun and games until the robots become hot asian girls, indistinguishable from humans, and pop out half cylon half human babies that can cure cancer. That's when the crap hits the proverbial fan. Bill has already requested a patent.

  3. Many robots in our homes already by davidwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see...

    Roomba.
    Robotic multi-disk CD changer.
    "Soft-touch" tape deck, VCR, CD and DVD players, and anything else that sucks in your disk or tape before playing then spits it back out at you when it's done.
    Vintage-1980s Macintosh floppy drives.
    Toy robots including remote-control cars for the kiddies of all ages.

    And the list goes on.

    The robots in your home are hiding in plain sight.

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    1. Re:Many robots in our homes already by Hymer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...so by your definition an industrial robot (the type used in car factories) isn't a robot...

  4. Your Roomba has a plan by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Funny
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  5. Microsoft + Robots = by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    The scene from I, Robot where all the androids take over the city...

    while Microsoft mumble something about patch Tuesday.

  6. Not to wonder! by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why they printed an article by Bill Gates rather than one of the hundreds of professional robotics researchers in the country.

    Because it's Scientific American (with a very wide, cross-discpline, and NON-discpline readership and popular web site), not the Journal Of Extremely Focused Niche Robotics Researchers (which would have the same number of subscribers as it does contributors, because it would be the same people). Bill's name is universally known, and guarantees a certain amount of commentary (such as is happening right here). Plus, he's got umpty-billions to invest, and is investing in this very area, and that really, really matters.

    And, of course, the people you're mentioning already publish, all the time. And if you want to seek out their thoughts, you can. This is the sort of material that generates interest among people who might not otherwise really think about it. It's sort of like Pamela Anderson talking about free range chicken farming practices, except less ... Pamela-ish. And, of course, Pamela's never farmed a chicken, whereas Bill's actually looked at some code here and there, and already has an army of 'bots.

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  7. I have a Roomba and a Scooba by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have a Roomba and a Scooba to do my bidding. This might surprise you - they actually work. I was skeptical at first, but goddamnit my floors are clean now. And if they can keep MY floors clean - I have 2 cats each with their own litter box - they can keep anyone's floor clean.

    My floors are so clean now, I divorced my wife. Don't need her anymore.

    -BHJ

    1. Re:I have a Roomba and a Scooba by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      My floors are so clean now, I divorced my wife. Don't need her anymore.

      Okay, but I recommend against using your Roomba or Scooba for *ahem* unintended uses, so you might want to keep the wife around. Of course as soon as they come out with the Scrooba that won't be true anymore. Also humanity, or at least Western civilization, will be doomed.

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  8. Forget Microsoft... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would trust Lego to get the mass consumer robotics done right.

  9. U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men, Inc. by tsa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I always had the impression that U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men, Inc. was the MS of the future. They had all the characteristics of an omnipresent, very powerful monopoly.

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  10. Because said robots will run Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Probably running something like Windows Embedded Robot Edition 20XX.

    When it BSODs, it'll be like a wild Roomba with a kitchen knife.

    /trilogy of terror

  11. We have one! by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just got a Roomba Sage off Woot about two weeks ago. I've got to say I love the little thing. It does a fantastic job and is actually fun to watch, especially if you're a gadget person.

    "I love robots!"

    It does a very good job and picked up and AMAZING amount of crud off my floors and filled up it's lint filter. I really ought to go over those rooms again to see how much more it can find. But it's great to be able to put it in a room, push a button, and come back later to have it vacuumed and the Roomba happily sitting and charging on it's little home base.

    As for the servant robot to bring me drinks or something like that, I think it's a while off. But there is a robot for homes that is here now and is great.

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  12. robots by f0rtytw0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    640 robots ought to be enough for anybody.

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  13. Robot Insurance by porkus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Looks like it's time to get that robot insurance policy Sam Waterston spoke about on TV...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3sLE-Jk0rw

  14. We're all going to need Robot Insurance by Ingolfke · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fortunately Old Glory Insurance offers coverage for only $4 per month.

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  16. Microsoft's Three Laws Of Robotics by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. A Microsoft robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. However, if that human being's computer is running Linux, the robot may pass a large magnet over the hard drive in that human's computer. If that human then subsequently objects to the robot doing that, the robot may then throw a chair at the human and run around the room in circles with his shiny head bobbing up and down on a big spring shouting "Developers" over and over again.

    2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. Note that the "First Law" referred to here is not the one listed above but the "First Law" in the book "Making Lots Of Money For Microsoft For Dummies". So, for example, should the human request the robot to re-install Windows XP on his computer, the robot may steal the human's credit card and go down to the local computer store to buy him a nice shiny copy of Windows Vista instead... and Office 2007... and a Zune player... Microsoft Laser Mouse... etc.

    3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. Or until Microsoft change this law by some additional small print in an EULA nobody ever bothers to read...

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  17. A Spy in Every House by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The essense of many conflicts that we see in personal computers today, is that somebody thinks that some things are more important than what the user wants. Right now the hot topic is intellectual property -- things like enforcing DRM, making sure this copy of MS Windows is "genuine", etc are more important than having the computer work flawlessly to do whatever the user wants. But you'll sometimes hear about different aspects of the same issue, such as almost-invisible dots that your printer may include in its output to make your document tracable, scanners' behavior when it recognizes certain patterns that are present in paper currency, or some cellphones' inability to emit a ringtone that the user supplies rather than buys.

    Forces are at work to make sure your equipment serves what is deemed as society's interests or a vendor's interest, rather than your interest. It is possible to defend this trend, and some people try really hard to. But whether you're for it or against it, don't pretend it isn't happening.

    So you're going to have a robot in your home. Ask yourself: whose robot is that going to be -- who will really be its master? If you think it's going to be your robot, keep in mind that such a silly idea completely defies the current trend, and you're sure as hell not going to get any such robot from Bill Gates or his kind.

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  18. Bill is right by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A few years ago, I left a good software development job to work as a contractor, because I I believed that the Next Big Thing(tm) would be robotics. (My boss laughed at me.) Japan is waaay ahead of the rest of the world on this, and they will be the pioneers. Years ago, Bill Gates admitted that he missed the Internet as the Next Big Thing(tm) and Microsoft suffered for it. He isn't making the same mistake again. He is trying to position Microsoft to be _the_ provider of software for this new class of machines, just like when PCs came around. If he is right (which I think he is) this market will do what PCs did in the mainframe era, and if he has Microsoft software on each of them then he wins big time.

  19. There's only *ONE* thing that's guaranteed... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when there's a robot in every home, pornography will somehow be involved.

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  20. Gates has changed direction. This is significant. by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a significant change in direction for Bill Gates. Up until 2000 or so, he'd publicly stated that robotics wasn't going anywhere.

    I ran one of the DARPA Grand Challenge teams, Team Overbot, so I'm reasonably familar with what's going on in this area. It was amazing to me how much progress was made in three years. Much of the progress was in subsystems. Four years ago, a high precision combination GPS/INS/compass system cost about $100,000, and required 4U of rack space with air conditioning. (CMU's first vehicle actually had such a unit.) Now, such units are about $6K, the size of a thick book, and don't need A/C. LIDAR units have gone from mechanical line scanners to solid state 3D flash units; although these are still expensive, low-volume items, there's no fundamental reason they couldn't be brought down to camcorder prices.

    More interestingly, computer vision in unstructured environments is actually starting to work. That was the real innovation in the Stanford vehicle - a vision system that could look at a distant section of a road and decide if it was similar to the nearby section. Several LIDAR units profiled the near section, and if the near section was OK and the far section was visually similar, the vehicle could outdrive its LIDAR range. I was amazed that that worked, but it did. It's a Bayesian statistics system, and quite clever.

    Then there are the new generation of hobbyist robots. See Robots Dreams, which follows Japanese hobby robotics. You can get a good humanoid robot about 50cm high for about $1000 now. It's interesting how this happened. Robotics hobbyists have been playing around with R/C servos for decades, and quietly, under consumer pressure, those servos have been getting better. The motors used to be too weak, but better magnets fixed that. Then people complained of bearing failure, so the manufacturers switched to ball bearings. Then applied loads would sometimes strip gear teeth, so the manufacturers had to go to better gear materials. Then the things were overpowered for their dumb control algorithm, so each servo got an embedded micro controller. Then it was necessary to tune the control algorithm depending on load, so the interface became more intelligent and bidirectional. And suddenly we had servos strong enough for the legs of a small running robot.

    In the hobbyist community, though, the software is way too dumb. Hobbyists are still using BASIC STAMPs and typically don't do much very exciting on the control front. By contrast, Grand Challenge vehicles typically had many CPUs running highly concurrent software. We had two Pentium IV machines running QNX and running about fifteen real time programs, along with five programmable motor controllers each closing some control loop. Gates is onto something with building better tools for hobbyist robotics. The Microsoft approach to robotics is clunky (it's a rehash of web technologies, including SOAP), but it has more integration than anything seen before, so it will catch on.

    Once we get the theory and technology from the high end down into hobbyist level hardware, things are really going to take off. We have the parts now.

  21. I bought this magazine for the article by drgroove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And it was basically a 3 page long pitch for Microsoft, and how their software is going to revolutionize the robotic platform with Windows and their multi-threaded process framework.

    Thanks for the commercial for MS, but this didn't deserve to be the front-page article of SciAm. SciAm just lost some points in my eyes after pimping this BS from MS out.

  22. Re:Economics! by AJWM · · Score: 2, Informative

    Motor control has progressed a fair amount over the last 25 years. But are the motors themselves that much different?

    At the small (DC) end, they certainly have, and that can be scaled up if necessary.

    Example: I'm not sure when the change happened, but back when, cheap small electric motors (as used in toys, portable cassette or CD players, etc) were low-powered, largish (0.75 to 1 inch diameter, 1 to 1.5 inches long), and heavy. Most of the culprit was the weak and bulky magnets. Modern rare-earth magnets allow for smaller and more-powerful motors. I just got my kids a cheap R/C airplane that uses two small electric motors (maybe 0.25 by 0.5 inches) that turn tiny props at high speed, with an on-board lithium polymer battery that'll keep the thing flying for about 10 minutes. 25 years ago, between the weight of the motors and the weight of the batteries, there was no way to build an electric airplane. (This is no motor-glider either, it looks a bit like an F-16).

    There's a demand for small, powerful motors. Toys aside, every cell phone and pager has one (with an unbalanced flywheel for "vibrate" mode). The market probably isn't there yet for 1/3 horsepower motors as small as could be made with modern magnets (most motors that power and up don't use magnets at all, but coils), but the technology is waiting there for the market to happen.

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  23. Re:C'mon man by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    The number of people who've actually done anything in this area isn't that big yet, and not many of those who have write much beyond academic papers. There's something of a dearth of mid-level robot material. There's the low-end stuff from Tab Books, and the theory from IEEE Transaction on Robotics, but not much practically-oriented material in the middle. I try to encourage people to take the high end technology and actually use it.