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Blue Origin Release Flight Videos

Reality Master 101 writes "Space start-up Blue Origin (financed by Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos) had a secret test flight on November 13, 2006. They've now released video and pictures of the very successful flight. Looks like they're making good progress." From the page: "We're working, patiently and step-by-step, to lower the cost of spaceflight so that many people can afford to go and so that we humans can better continue exploring the solar system. Accomplishing this mission will take a long time, and we're working on it methodically."

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  1. huh? by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    We're working, patiently and step-by-step, to lower the cost of spaceflight so that many people can afford to go and so that we humans can better continue exploring the solar system.

    What, you mean $20 million a person isn't low enough?

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  2. As god intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    a vertical take-off, vertical-landing vehicle designed to take a small number of astronauts on a sub-orbital journey into space.

    And to quote a great song writer "and it will take off and land on its tail, Like God and Robert Heinlein intended."

  3. Re:WTF?? by TodMinuit · · Score: 3, Funny
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  4. Crayola sponsored craft by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want to see the video of the crayola sponsored craft with the four rockets in the corners being launched.

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  5. Scaling Up? by dgillies · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Amazon vs. Armadillo for the next Lunar Lander Challenge at the X-Prize Cup? It sure looks Bezos has more than enough to create some meaningful competition. Seriously though - how much bigger is this vehicle going to get? The photos of it on the flatbed truck are awe inspiring...yet I can't imagine how much of that must simply be for fuel. The website's career section has a lot of talk on cryogenics, turbopumps, and Delta/Atlas sized rockets. It sounds like Bezos is going along the conventional routes for launch (erm just look at the name of the rocket - the New Shephard), and the H2O2 rockets being tested out now in the video are only retrorockets to be used during landing, in place of or in addition to parachutes. It'll be really interesting to see what a sub-orbital version looks like.

    1. Re:Scaling Up? by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seriously though - how much bigger is this vehicle going to get? The photos of it on the flatbed truck are awe inspiring...yet I can't imagine how much of that must simply be for fuel.

      The Environmental Impact Statement they were required to publish last year describing their suborbital vehicle says that the "stacked vehicle would have a roughly conical shape with a base diameter of approximately 7 meters (22 feet) and a height of approximately 15 meters (50 feet)."

      Judging from the photograph with the guy standing next to the rocket, the current test article seems to be maybe 6-7 meters tall, so I guess the final thing will be more than twice as tall.

  6. Re:looks like fat DC-X by FleaPlus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yup. In fact, many of the engineers who worked on the DC-X are now at Blue Origin.

  7. As a NASA launch services engineer I must say.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a cute little rocket :D

    What they should do is get business partners who already know how to build rockets and offer them incentives to partipate. NASA's vision right now is not on target but that is not a failure of NASA engineers but a failure of management. Draw the engineering teams into this that already have experience. Don't do it half-assed.

    And before the NASA bashers get their RSS feed and feel the need to talk about how stupid NASA is...yes NASA has problems but between Orbital, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Honeywell, Pratt and Whitney, ATK, the Russians, the other numerous companies who build and integrate rockets and have spend billions upon billions on launch vehicles, this current effort is honestly a waste to me. It's great to see people wanting to innovate, but wanting and doing are not the same.

    Rocket science is not easy. You cannot cut corners on development and testing and there is no substitute for the decades of experience these companies have.

    If you want to innovate, get on board advanced propulsion or space elevator projects. sub-orbital is not hard...warp drive to the next galaxy is hard.

  8. Re:Defrosters by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We want burning flames and heat haze not condensation and frost.

    It's not condensation and frost -- it's steam. As another commenter mentioned, the rocket uses H2O2 as propellant.

    2 H2O2 => O2 + 2 H2O

  9. 'One-click' video not heard of, here... by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ironic that most other sites with an embedded video needs only one click to start it playing; I had to download the WMV then open it. I've even heard of some online bookstore patenting the idea for ordering with single click.
    Too bad the poor fellow who put this page together couldn't have taken a leaf outta their book. Maybe he's afraid of the patent holder going after him?

  10. Re:As a NASA launch services engineer I must say.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is NASA doesn't seem interested in cheaper access to space.

    One might even say all NASA seems interested in is transferring government money to Orbital, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Honeywell, Pratt and Whitney, et al. without anything to show for it. *cough*X-33*cough*

    Maybe they need to be embarrassed into some actual innovation instead of more business-as-usual.

  11. Re:Defrosters by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Informative

    The thing is much bigger than I expected. I would guess with a 2m radius and 4m height. It is quite fat, so I guess they are using spherical or ellipsoidal propellant tanks. The shape reminds me of the Kankoh Maru and the shell seems to be made of composites or plastic. I guess the blunt nose makes sense because the thing is suborbital and they do not have a wide cross range requirement like the Delta Clipper had.

    I am not an expert, but the burn looked too clean, I guess it is a pressure fed mono propellant. Perhaps H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) like someone else said. Much like what Carmack tried to do with Armadillo. I counted 3 x 3 = 9 thrust chambers in that setup.

    The man requested someone with experience in cryogenic turbopumps. Even mentioned the RS-68 explicitly. So it seems to me he is going for a pump fed LOX/LH2 engine. It makes much more sense to me than the H2O2/Kerosene rumours I heard before. Why risk it all by going for an engine no one has built before? I mean the only rocket engine with that combo I remember is the one in the British Black Arrow rocket from the 70s. Beal killed himself by going with a risky H2O2/Kerosene combo and a filament wound shell.

    A LOX/LH2 engine with a variable mixture ratio would do the trick. H2O2 is IMO overrated and finicky. LOX is cheaper than high purity H2O2 and has pretty good density. You have to go for LH2 if you wanna go orbital anyway for the ISP AFAIK (unless you use a lot of stages, which I guess is what they do not want).

  12. A question about energy by rminsk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can understand vertical take off but why do a veritcal landing? It would seem it would need a lot of energy just to land meaning you need much more fuel. More fuel means more weight which means more energy to take off and to land. This would seem to make space flight more expensive not less expensive. The Space Shuttle and Space Ship One glided to a landing burning off the extra engergy with the lift (which is drag) from flight. The only advantage I see is a smaller landing area.

    1. Re:A question about energy by zaydana · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is that the extra weight needed to carry the wings for the two spacecraft you mention (the shuttle and SS1) will add more weight to the craft, and thus need extra fuel anyway. The space shuttle's wings were only designed how they were so that the shuttle could carry satellites back to earth - so it is possible to make a much lighter configuration, but I imagine it would still only be on par with a VTOVL vehicle at best, and in reality probably still worse in terms of fuel.

  13. Re:As a NASA launch services engineer I must say.. by RexRhino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All the companies you mentioned have an interest in keeping space flight and expensive, government-only prospect. While hiring engineers from those companies might be OK, those companies in themselves are part of the military-industrial complex and have no interest in making cheap consumer goods.

  14. 6 is better by cyclomedia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    with 4 legs if one fails the thing falls over. with 6 legs any two can fail and the thing will still remain upright, provided the weight is uniformly spread.

    Remember this is going to weigh a lot more than the lunar lander and will land on earth, with it's much stronger gravitational pull, both those factors multiply the stresses on the gear and even with services these are designed to be reused, microfactures will creep through and joints will stick

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